Kosher Ham

Sorry Gents, I am a tad bit older than all of you. I have told this stpry many times. Ugh. And Caron is an average player. Or a good player on a otherwise crappy team. However you want to look at it, he has never been anything special.

:cheers: I was a Laker fan before they became "Showtime". That was many titles ago. ---------- Post added November-30th-2011 at 11:01 AM ---------- First off the NBA and NFL do not work in the same way. Second, many teams make the playoffs every year that really have no chance (Lakers being one of them last season and many others). Third, the Lakers were making the playoffs in the tougher West with that bum. Fourth, yeah, I don't need another. That Stacey Dash is pretty hot.

Satisfied with still being mediocre ? And then traded him to Dallas where he could win a ring from the bench ? Are you seriously suggesting that the deal was that good ? If Caron was so great why trade him to Dallas.

The Lakers turned Brown into Gasol and at the time needed big men to take up space. I wouldn't say they were fleeced so much. The Wiz got Butler and Atkins not exactly World beaters either.

By your logic, you assume that anyone who feels like that fight last night was bs must be a Mayweather fan, or Pac hater. Amazing logic you have there sir.

Yeah, sorry. hit the 4 as I was going towards the "r". and thinking about the points. Either way I had the score same as someone else had posted 115-113, and could have been 116-112, but for Marquez. The fight was not that close. Reminds me of a DeLaHoya fight I watched about 6 years ago whenre Oscar clearly lost and they just gave him the fight. Weak sauce.

BS. One guy can not as a PRO see it as a draw and the guy seated next to him sees 4 rounds completely different. Who cares what the odds makers say. Watching the fight Pac pretty much didn't control anything. The crowd booed Manny for heavens sake. He was controlled and it was evident. Sucks because I love boxing, but that is garbage.

That is BS. Judges like that make people tune out from boxing. Marquez won by at least 2 rounds. Horrible.

After that round (eleven) I think Manny needs a KO to win this one.

I don't think it is that close. Could be as far as 5-3 at this point Marquez

Of course I want to see it. No matter who wins. I have no vested interest, I love the sport. Some would say that Mayweather is already past his peak. Others would say that Pac is not there yet...odd ...but it would happen. Ali/Frazier is and was a payday. They both wanted to win...but they needed to get paid. Pac nor Floyd needs money right now. But if you can make more you would be the idiot not to. The fight will happen and it will be amazing. My guess is late 2012- or early 2013.

I love that people know what a 2 piece is. :cheers: ACW - youtube it. It made Ortiz look like a chump. But that second punch was real. DM72, Mayweather doesn't have to fight Pac. He is one of the best ever already. At the end of a career...get paid. If I told you I would pay you 100k per year or 50k per year which offer would you take ? Don't get me wrong this fight should have already been done...but what is the rush ? The latest ppv was 60 bucks or so, and people paid for it. Set the stage...The most anticipated fight in recent years...could they charge you a $100 ? People would pay.

Floyd is not afraid of Pac. He is boosting both of their paydays. I do believe that Pac only has a slight chance to beat Money to begin with, I think they both know that. If anything, Money wins but controversy is looming...guess what... re-match...draw, DQ...controversy...fight 3... Pac wins... both laugh their way to the bank.

They can both make more money.

Names were sometimes Americanized back then, but Judo, Taekwondo, Thai Boxing (Muay Thai), some weapons training ( I grew up as a military kid). I love the Art of fighting, not the game of it. To me MMA is more of a game. Boxing is more art. I know a little j j but not enough to really think I know much, same as I know the Russian language. And it is a little trollish, same as I did when I used to go in your MMA threads. I can watch some fights but when an opponent is defenseless it goes against almost everything the art is about.

So why do you watch it at all then ? It's like going to a restaurant that you know sucks over and over and expecting it to be better. Personally, I would watch little league world series over MMA any day of the week. And I grew up on martial arts.

NSFW - Language - Headbutt is around the 5:40 mark. EDIT: Video taken down by Youtube.

NSFW - Language http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVqKcVu0yUM

Okay that interview was crazier and over the top. WWFesque.

That headbutt by Ortiz was almost as bad.

That was crazy. Never expected to see that.

No season = no record. One lottery ball for each team. And as spjunkies says, unfortunately teams would indeed tank.

I could see rigging Miami. But not the other two. They are due for a few years of mediocrity. But how is it fair that the draft is not just random ?

I would prefer a lottery with one ball in for each team.

No wonder boysetsfire and ren moved. I am taking a little hiatus from beer until regular football season. But I can't wait until I crack open that first Youngs' double chocolate stout in September.