Burgold

35 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:

 

Should have been sentenced to 10 full years. Make the consequences of insurrection painful.

I bet almost all the insurrectionista are major supporters of Capitol punishment. They probably should get what they believe in. 
 

I kid, but firing squads probably fit in perfectly with their world view. 

A question I sometimes wonder about is how many people who buy a gun for self defense have ever used it for self defense?

Subquestion, how many people who bought a gun because they believe they need it for self defense have either had their gun stolen or used in an accident, tragic manner?

3 minutes ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said:

 

How would you control guns?

 

It would cause a civil conflict, that at best, would have little towns giving up their guns, at best.

 

The writing is on the wall.

 

This country is locked and loaded, and then some.

 

You'd need a Nazi Germany style Jewish hunt, in order to find all the guns.

 

Ain't happenin.

I think you may be right, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. The first step is probably to try to change the narrative. Change hearts before you change laws. 
 

The intellectual appeal doesn’t seem to work. The reality that every other country does magnitudes better than we do at protecting families and lives doesn’t seem to make a dent. So, the first question is how do we make people ask different questions and how do we make people unwilling to even begin a discussion start to engage in a real conversation. 

Name me one education proposal or action by Republicans that has not been geared towards shrinking funding or limiting schools ability to teach?

in broadest strokes, I agree with you that division is bad, but it’s beyond time to stop pretending all issues are a “both sides” issue. 
 

Republicans are anti gun control. They are anti gun debate. Republicans are anti education. 
 

Maybe you can find an individual who isn’t, but if you examine their policies and actions at a federal and local level it’s true. There is a reason that red states rank so poorly academically. It’s malign neglect and active effort. 
 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

34 minutes ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said:

 

On the scale of mass shootings though, the instances of a kid stealing their parent's car isn't a car accident....it's a mass shooting.

 

How do you scan a person for being able to lock their combat gear away 100% of the time?

That’s a fair question. One of the biggest reasons I’m pro gun control is that I think there are too many irresponsible or lazy people. 
 

I agree licensing won’t eliminate every problem or risk, but that’s why we should develop and utilize and enforce many strategies simultaneously. That goes from increasing mental health funding, testing, and services to ideas far up the ladder. 

17 minutes ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said:

 

I hate politics and I respect you, but that comment is beneath you.  I identify as democrat, but live in a hardcore republican state.  They want solutions, too.  What are your ideas?  All of our ideas?  Why must we attack each other with insults (Democrats/Republicans?).  Focus that energy on hypothetical solutions, is my thought.

Here’s the thing. I’m not joking here. Look at their policies, rhetoric, and most importantly their actions. Republicans are anti-teacher and anti education. 
 

They do want an uneducated and uninformed public. They want to ban books, eliminate whole areas of scientific and historical teaching. They want to white wash curriculums. They purchase history books that falsify history to a degree that would make Stalin proud. Hell, they’re anti-Mr. Rogers and anti-Sesame Street. 

5 hours ago, China said:

Students nationwide walk out of classes to protest inaction on guns by government

 

Outraged by the inaction of lawmakers on gun violence, students across the country held walkouts on Thursday in the wake of a brutal massacre in Uvalde, Texas, where 19 children and two teachers were gunned down at an elementary school. 

 

From Meridian High School in Virginia to El Camino Real Charter High School in California, students across the country took part in walkouts to demand gun control measures, according to social media reports and local news outlets. 

 

Meanwhile in Rhode Island, students from several schools in Providence laid down for three minutes outside the Rhode Island State House, according to a tweet from state Sen. Tiara Mack (D). 

 

At Oxford High School in Michigan, over 100 students walked out of class on Thursday, the Detroit Free Press reported. The school was the site of its own deadly shooting on Nov. 30, where four students were killed. 

 

In Buffalo, Minn., students at Buffalo High School took part in another walkout on Thursday, WCCO, a local CBS affiliate, reported. 

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

Kids are still young, naive and not yet disillusioned

 

I support the protests, but since Republicans are anti-education and want their kids as stupid as possible they are probably delighted when kids miss a day of school.

40 minutes ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said:

 

The only thing I think needs to be emphasized, is hiding the keys.  If your Dad has an AR, and a kid gets an idea to lash out, he can't get to it because of X, Y, Z.  

Sure, but that's true of driver's licenses, too. Kids joy riding is always a risk, but drivers licenses, seat belts, etc. have by and large worked.

1 hour ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said:

Your thoughts on this? 

 

 

A license system has always made sense to me. 

I've often thought that Snyder and Trump are incredibly similar. Snyder's sex scandal. Trump's multiple sex scandals. Trump's many, many bankruptcies. Snyder's many, many business failures. Trump figured out how to own a casino and lose money. Snyder figured out how to own an NFL team in a huge media market that was a top three money maker in all of sports and take it to the bottom. Both are incredibly litigious. Both are infamous for their use of double books. Banks hate Trump. Snyder needed the NFL to co-sign a loan for him because the banks didn't trust him.

To sum up, Snyder led the Redskins like Trump led most of his businesses. The only difference is that Trump wants all the face time and attention. He never met a mic that he didn't like. Snyder hates the limelight. 

9 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

 If chase young’s trainer thinks the plan he has set for chase young is better, and if the coaching staff is aware of it and has communicated with chase young on all of this (which it sounds like that’s the case) then who are we to question it? His trainer has a plan for him, he’s following that plan, and communicated that plan with Rivera. 

Maybe you're right, but a lot of people said the same about Chase skipping out last year and it didn't turn out so well. More, this is the NFL. If a player wants to be at OTAs then he has the money or the team has the money that the trainer packs a bag and flies across country to be with him for a week. It's not that hard. Sure, they may not be able to bring all their equipment with them, but I suspect they can monitor and execute the plan they need to within to accomodate their client for a week on the road.

And bringing trainers to OTAs is not a unique idea. We've seen Tom Brady's trainers accompany him to OTAs in New England and Tampa Bay. I'm sure there have been others. Chase, if he wanted to could have had his time with his teammates and absorb what he needed to in terms of playbook and group meetings and still had his trainer there to monitor and continue his rehab program. Maybe there'd be one unique piece of equipment missing? Maybe not. But again, this is the NFL. If there is an amazing piece of equipment or a special kind of bath a player needs... then it can be made available.

Can you imagine a situation where three jurisdictions are basically playing a game of hot potato hoping not to be the one left holding the potato and winning the rights to host the new stadium?

4 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Sprint Bomb

Smart bomb😜

I think I would have looked at getting Ryan as getting another Alex Smith or Mark Brunnel. Nothing wrong with having a good game manager. In fact, under Snyder our best years have been with steady, low risk guys, but I would have seen Ryan as a placeholder whose purpose was to get us to the first round of the playoffs. 

So Payne complains about people talking about him skipping a workout then skips practice altogether the next day?

Dude isn't sending the message he thinks he's sending.

33 minutes ago, CommDownMan said:

 

For the record,  I think this picture is new headquarters / training facility with a practice field outside.  Not at all related to the stadium itself. 

Don't get in the way of the jokes!

Yeah, my generation never hid under their desks to protect them from atomic war or sheltered in the dark hoping a gun man chooses a different room. I was thinking about the old joke, "In my day we had to walk uphill through five miles of snow to go to school." Today's kids have that beat.

9 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

 

 

Mental health is an issue.  But, IMO, the bigger issue is the "come and take it from my cold dead hands" crowd of which I have family members that are in that group. 

 

But, you know, 'Mericuh. 

For the last several years, I've looked as mental health as a scape goat Republicans use. They trot it out as an excuse following a mass shooting, but in practice vote against every bit of funding aimed in that direction. I don't doubt that mental illness plays a contributing role in some situations, but the shuttering of institutions, the reduction of funding for services, etc. makes me think they don't believe it is a core problem. Watch actions not words.

Sometimes, it's not so bad to treat the symptom. I mean it's amazing how many fewer children suffered from brain damage from lead poisoning after they made it illegal to use lead in paint.

Besides, if it was really mental health why would the Republicans constantly be voting against mental health bills? Why would they be so anti-Obama care?

If it was really about education and opportunity why would Republicans be banning books, cutting pre-school, SNAP, and general education funding?

If it was really about video games and television why would Republicans not do anything about those either?

If it was really about Mister Rogers and Sesame Street teaching children instead of parents than why do Republicans reject all the parental supports present in other countries?

1 minute ago, The Almighty Buzz said:

Just in case anyone wants to talk about this specific incident instead of debating gun control…..

 

The wife has been approaching or at the tears phase several times since the news dropped today.  Part of it may be because she was a teacher at one point in time.  And I see the reactions from many here and on TV.  I’m sure this says something ****ed up about me but I feel……nothing.  I guess I’m frustrated.  But I don’t really feel any emotional grief.  Maybe I’m just used to it?  Maybe I’m just a cold-hearted, bad person?  I don’t know.  But I definitely don’t feel as bad as I probably should.

I fear this is a big part of the problem. These mass shootings have become so common we're desensitized to it. It's become part of our normal. Sure, school shootings are rarer, but I remember looking at a stat a little while ago that said there was a mass shooting in the US pretty much every other day.

The moment we decide this is not a big deal. That this is an acceptable normal (I know that part isn't what you are saying), we have lost. Functionally, that's the argument of "Thoughts and prayers." It's "We will do nothing. It's sad. **** happens. Shrug. Move on."

I suspect in two to three days, everyone will move on to the next thing or people will talk more about Johnny Depp and Amber Herd than this. That, or we'll file this away because there's been another mass shooting and we'll just shrug and say, "Nothing to see here. Move along. Maybe we can loosen some gun laws or pray a little harder. After all, we know the pro life crowd won't do anything. Won't even try anything.

Normal sucks.

2 minutes ago, tshile said:

I don’t even think we can criticize that agent for anything. As far as I can tell he didn’t get involved until he heard shots from inside the school. 
 

Sounds like the man’s a hero. Cornered him and took him out by himself. Who knows how many lives he saved 

Just saying the dude did the best that could be expected and he should be recognized for that. That’s all. 

I agree with that. I also agree he was a hero. I'm just cautious about people using this as an example of a "good guy with a gun" The good ,with a gun theory is basically if we arm everyone than some random dude will take out the shooter and we won't have any problems. It's basically an argument that more guns are the best answer.

In this situation, a trained agent of the law acted and acted heroically. He put his life at risk and saved lives. He was off duty so I guess in some ways you could call him a "good guy with a gun," but not really. It was a good guy with specific tactical training and a licensed law officer with a gun who ended the situation.

18 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

 

Not trying to pick here. Just wanted to follow up. It seems like this story has changed 
 

https://www.sbsun.com/2022/05/24/gunman-kills-at-least-19-children-at-texas-elementary-school/
 

Cbp has said their agent wasn’t in the area to investigate anything just happened to be there, and the engagement is a bit different than the tweet implies. 
 

yeah. Actually the good guy with the gun did about the best he could. It just wasn’t as good as we’d prefer. He happened to be in the area and he did what everyone of us hope someone would do. 
 

That’s not an endorsement for any specific idea on what to do about these tragedies. But that guy deserves credit for doing his job. And caring. 

I'd argue that this isn't a "good guy with a gun" situation. This is a trained law enforcement officer not some random Texan with a gun. 

.No one is opposed to police having guns or the CPB. We expect them to be armed. We expect them to be well-trained. We expect them to be able to act rationally when everything's crazy. We do object if they abuse or use force unnecessarily, but that's a different issue. Still, the good guy with the gun theory is that some random civilian will rise up like Batman to save the day. It's thinking what happens in movies will happen in real life. So, this is more the case of a law enforcement agent being close enough to act and engage to stop further damage.

4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

This is merely a talking point for gun manufacturers. 

 

Him and any teacher would be outgunned and merely speed bumps. 

 

More guns won't make a difference that matters, this is the old Las Vegas thread, should folks shoulda jus started returning fire at the hotel windows in the middle of the night?

 

Seconds...seconds??? Teachers shouldn't be asked to be commandos as a price for freedom.

If teachers were armed the most likely situation is that a hormone addled kid would take the gun away from the teacher or break into the desk where it was kept. Then, there would be even more deaths. 

A long time ago we had a discussion about the type of training it takes to handle a gun under stressful situation. Handing someone a gun is not sufficient. Even if arming teachers would work (it won't) what do you think is the chance that armed teachers would be given the type of training to be able to respond in the manner people fictionalize in their heads? When most teachers have to dig into their own pockets to buy basic school supplies for their students do you really think counties are going to shell out the money to turn our teachers into an organized, capable militia?

For ten years, the only thing that has been attempted in the US is making gun laws looser and offering thoughts and prayers. The only thing that has happened over the last ten years is that the gun violence situation has gotten worse and worse.

Even in Texas the "only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is bull****.

Good G-d. Even on ES people think the answer is more guns. It's not. Look at the rate of gun deaths in the US before the dismantling of gun control laws. Look at the rate of every nation in the world compared to us. Are US citizens that much crazier, more evil, and more violent than every other nation on Earth? No. It's the fact that we have too many irresponsible people with guns and we make it too damn easy to get one.

12 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

They need to go one question further and ask, "How important is it to you that political leaders endorse White Nationalism and White Supremacy?

The answer is bound to depress many of us.