Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 ...this is a conitinuation of my thread below. These are based LAST YEARS RANKINGS, not adjusted for this years FA losses, coaching changes and what have you. I will tweak these accordingly when I have the time. Note: I have not released my formula yet, I'd just like to get a few reactions and see what the peanut gallery has to say!!! 1. Pittsburg 2. Philadelphia 3. Chicago 4. Baltimore 5. NYG 6. New England 7. Tampa Bay 8. Green Bay 9. St. Louis 10. Miami 11. WASHINGTON 12. San Diego 13. Cincinnati 14. Jacksonville 15. Denver 16. Cleveland 17. San Francisco 18. Seattle 19. Oakland 20. Dallas 21. New Orleans 22. NYJ 23. Tennessee 24. Kansas City 25. Arizona 26. Carolina 27. Minnesota 28. Detroit 29. Buffalo 30. Indy 31. Atlanta ***Notice that all the teams that had the most success defensing St. Louis last year were all in the top 10: Philly, NYG, New England, and Tampa*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Have you broken down the defenses by pass and rush defense rankings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 give me 1/2 hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hmmm. Hard to give an opinion without really knowing the formula, though I'm not doubting you here Dirk. It would appear with your mentioning of St. Louis there is a strength of schedule angle here. (ie how teams' defense did against top ranked passing and running offenses and number of top offenses played ect...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 Here are my rankings vs the Rush (Yards/Rush against ranking + rush TD's allowed ranking): 1. Chicago 1. Pittsburg 3. NYG 4. San Diego 5. Baltimore 6. Denver 7. Philly 8. Miami 8. Cincinnati 10. Seattle 11. Washington 12. Tampa 12. San Francisco 14. Jacksonville 14. New England 16. Dallas 17. St. Louis 18. Arizona 19. Green Bay 19. Tennessee 21. New Orleans 22. Detroit 23. Carolina 23. Cleveland 25. Kansas City 26. NYJ 27. Atlanta 28. Buffalo 29. Oakland 30. Indy 31. Minnesota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 each of the 16 games count in the final standings, but if you exclude the first 5 where we can all agree the team was refusing to play for Marty, and just include the last 11 the defense looks a WHOLE lot better. and that to me is what we have been building on with the additions of Trotter, Armstead, Wynn, Dotson, etc.............. the Redskins kept the score down in those last 10 or 11 games and didn't give up many big plays on defense. Heck, the 13-3 Bears had to use razzle dazzle on special teams with Urlacher to manufacture the points to beat the Redskins. Donovan McNabb couldn't do anything against the Skins defense in Philly, with the Eagles netting just 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 Notice how the bottom 6 or 7 have all changed at least 2 of their d line starters. They've all been active in the draft and Free Agency to rectify their poor rankings on my chart! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by Dirk Diggler Here are my rankings vs the Rush (Yards/Rush against ranking + rush TD's allowed ranking): 1. Chicago 1. Pittsburg 3. NYG 4. San Diego 5. Baltimore 6. Denver 7. Philly Interesting that the Skins ran all over the Philly defense in the away game -- total domination -- and yet the Philly rush defense is ranked #7. What's up with that? Was our rushing attack that good, or did Philly just have a bad game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 Atlanta Philly was great at keeping teams out of the end zone and teams like Philly, New England, and Chicago need to be rewarded for bending but not breaking. You'll see Chicago (who allowed tons of passing yards) rewarded in the pass defense ranking for doing the exact same thing Dirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 Here are my pass defense rankings which is part 2 of 3 categories when considering defense. This formula = pass completion % against ranking + pass TD's allowed ranking. It does not take into account pass rush or a teams ability to put the QB on his back. That ranking is coming. This basically tells you which teams "cover" the best: 1. New England 2. Philadelphia 3. Oakland 4. Washington 4. Green Bay 4. Baltimore 7. Cleveland 7. Chicago 7. St. Louis 10. Tampa Bay 11. Pittsburg 12. San Francisco 13. Miami 14. NYJ 15. Dallas 16. Minnesota 17. NYG 17. Jacksonville 19. Kansas City 20. Seattle 21. Denver 22. San Diego 23. Carolina 23. Tennessee 25. Cinncinnati 26. Arizona 27. Buffalo 28. Detroit 29. Indy 30. New Orleans 31. Atlanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 This is the final installment on defense part 3 of 3. Total sacks are not the best way to determine a teams ability to rush the passer. Although QB pressures can be just as disruptive as sacks, a stat like pressures is VERY subjective. But total sacks can't be used because some teams have more of an opportunity to sack the QB than others. Take Chicago for example. They were 5th in the league at sacking the QB but they had more opportunity than most teams because they shut the run down. A team like Cincinnati was playing from behind a lot so they had fewer opps to rush the passer. These 2 had almost identical totals 48-47 but you'll see how my rankings adjust to tell the true story: 1. New Orleans 2. Pittsburg 3. Cincinnati 4. Green Bay 5. NYG 6. Philadelphia 7. Tampa Bay 8. St. Louis 9. Baltimore 10. Chicago 11. Miami 12. Jacksonville 13. Indy 14. Cleveland 15. Oakland 16. San Diego 17. Denver 18. New England 19. Seattle 20. Buffalo 21. Atlanta 22. NYJ 23. Kansas City 24. Minnesota 25. Detroit 26. Tennessee 27. San Francisco 28. Washington 29. Carolina 30. Dallas 31. Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted June 20, 2002 Author Share Posted June 20, 2002 The formula here was just Sacks/pass attempt...pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted June 20, 2002 Share Posted June 20, 2002 Originally posted by Dirk Diggler The formula here was just Sacks/pass attempt...pretty simple. Interesting. We're #28 in sacks, but #4 in pass defense as defined by completion percentage and TDs. Looks like sacks can be overrated when you've got good pass coverage. Can we cut Bruce Smith and sign Sam Adams, Willie Jackson, Ray Brown, Jon Jansen and Champ Bailey now? Nothing against Bruce. I just don't want him to be the reason we don't sign (or extend) any of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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