Tay Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Redskins | Coleman Agrees to Terms - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)<br />8:49 PT: SportsLine.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Washington Redskins have agreed to terms with free agent OL Ben Coleman (Charger) on a one-year deal worth about $1 million.<br /> <br /> [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Die Hard ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Look for Coleman to stay here awhile if he gets a chance to start at guard. We may be looking at Moore and Coleman for 2001 when the smoke clears, with Ben and Matt Campbell swinging to tackle if one of the regulars gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennesseeCarl Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 This is excellent, excellent news! While I like Mookie Moore, he's only really seen extended playing time in one game. Fletcher is even less proven. Those guys (and they are giants) may be the future, but it sure is reassuring to know there's someone who's been in the trenches to step in at both the guard and tackle positions. Honestly, right now we may be in as good a shape as we've been since the days of Jim Lachey. Not only might we have a strong offensive line, but we have a coach who won't stop calling running plays until the other team shows they can stop the run. Fear The Skins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 There is no way you can't convince me that Michael Moore would not have helped this team earlier last season in those games against Philly and the Giants where the Skins line with Fischer hurt and Leeuwenburg showing a lack of strength completely broke down. Robiskie for all his other faults did the right thing by putting Moore out on the field at the end of last season and by giving other players like David Terrell some extended duty at cornerback as well. Norv wasn't interested in developing any younger players and unfortunately he wasn't very good at acquiring productive veterans either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Bulldog, you are right. The thing I could never understand was letting Sims go on and on with the bad Achilles. What if the Skins HAD made the playoffs and Sims' Achilles let go then. Is that when you want a guy like Mookie to make his debut, with the championship on the line? Craziness. But I am excited too. I don't know them at all, but I guess Coleman and Campbell are solid NFL starters. With them at guard, Raymer at center and our two tackles we will have a formidable line. And if Mookie beats out one of the others he will have to be really good. With a dominating line and more carries Davis could put up some spectacular numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Hmm trust a one legged guy with heart over ayoung healthy kid? I would go with the kid. Especially from first and goal 6 times. Samuels,Coleman,Raymer(Campbell can play center)Mookie and Jansen with very good depth. Lets bubble wrap these guys. ------------------ Yes I'm paid to think and I need a raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamaran Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 The O-line is really taking shape. It will be fun to watch these guys go at it with ATTITUDE. As much as I liked Grimm as a player, he was on-the-job learning as the line coach. Frankly, he wasn't that good. Joe Pendry is another story. He can take this group a long way. He has been around the block a few times and knows all the angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 Given the strength of schedule, new depth, better WRs, QB arm that won't lose strength, this offensive line could be better than the 1999 Eastern Conference Champs line. I think we have better talent and our RBs and FBs can kick some butt too. So are we all in agreement that this is a better Oline? Can't wait to see who will be starting come opening day. I could see fresh players coming in for a couple of plays, actually using our depth to releave starters, can you imagine a fresh Campbell or Mookie pulling around and lead blocking for Davis near the goal line? The Hogs 2K1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPare Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 I disagree Shamaran. I thought that Grimm was an excellent coach. You saw, particularly in that disastrous 1998 season the effect of his coaching. You had a line that, with the exception of Raymer and Johnson (who, at the time, many fans were calling a fat tub of goo, but that's another story) had no NFL starting caliber players. You saw a line that couldn't line up straight at the beginning of the season (remember all the false start calls in the first six games??) become slowly more effective as the season went on. THAT's coaching. You could also see it in the way that he introduced rookie tackles in successive years. Do you think it's only because of the individual talent of Samuels and Jansen that they were playing well right from the start. No freakin' way. THAT's coaching. I think that Russ Grimm was the only coach on Norval's staff that really should have been kept and wasn't. The others were really not huge losses. Who knows, Pendry might be better. He's certainly got more solid credentials. However, looking back 10-15 years from now, I bet that a lot of us are going to be looking at the one who got away. The reason he's not with us is simple. He wanted his job to be guaranteed, Marty was going to ask him to compete for it(in interview). He balked, asked for his release and signed with his hometown team the next day. ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted June 13, 2001 Share Posted June 13, 2001 I honestly think the 1999 season was an aberration and the less comparisons made to it the better. Few of the players that put up big numbers that year are still with the team due to their inability to even approximate those performances a second time. Only Davis, Bailey and Jansen have remained a constant presence since 'coming out' that year. There is no question that physically the offensive linemen we have now are superior to what we have had. Samuels is a clear upgrade from Heck at LT. Moore is a much stronger player than Sims and is younger and healthier than Tre Johnson. Jansen and Raymer return to familiar positions where they have played well. Coleman and Campbell look to be more suited to long-term duty if necessary as starters or off the bench than Jay Leeuwenburg and Ed Ellis were last year. Mark Fischer returns to backup Raymer. Hopefully, David Brandt can make a run at one of the other backup spots. Maybe that is why Marty had Fischer at guard in the minicamp? And Fletcher is another big, young body that Pendry will have the opportunity to mold into an NFL player. For Bucs92 and others that chide Fletcher for being a Patriots castoff, just remember that many really good offensive linemen get booted from their original teams only to become starters and even pro bowlers elsewhere. Linemen are much harder to judge than top shelf quarterbacks or running backs. Just look at Jeff Bostic, released by the Eagles, and Joe Jacoby, who went undrafted in 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markrc99 Posted June 14, 2001 Share Posted June 14, 2001 i have reservations with respect to ben coleman at this time. so far,i've only looked at one game(wk#9vsOak)from last year and i really didn't like what i saw. not at all! coleman went up against regan upshaw for the most part and he yielded 2 sacks(although i'm not sure upshaw was credited for both),numerous pressures,blown assignments,a false start and really appeared quite limited. the last time i looked at him(several yrs ago)he was out there hobbling around on a bum leg. as a pass protector he has good technique and gets a great jump off the ball. but he appeared absolutely unable to sustain his blocks with any level of consistency. can't run and has no real level of mobility anymore. they didn't have him pull or get out in space leading a sweep,counter or screen. was a major liability when the chargers attempted to run the thing. i was really disappointed,considering his reputation as being one of the league's better OG's from several yrs back. he and boselli were really quite a tandem at one time. however,what was the bigger problem IMO,was that when beaten,his intensity didn't spike,even for a play! playing poorly didn't effect his pride,not in the least! he may be done. as poorly as he was playing,at the end of the day,his uniform remained spotless. a fire is going to have to be lit under this one to yield any return. should marty somehow end up impressed with every other OLman,this guy might not make the team. still,i've only looked at 1 game. we're his 3rd team in as many yrs. hail the skins [<IMG SRC="http://www.extremeskins.com/ubb/edited.gif" border=0> by markrc99 on June 14, 2001.] [ by markrc99 on June 14, 2001.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted June 14, 2001 Share Posted June 14, 2001 I agree with SPare about Grimm. Besides his obvious success in preparing and fielding a rookie tackle in two successive years, he turned the career round of a virtually washed up Keith Sims. Sims was likely on his last chance when he came to us, nowhere near his Pro Bowl form of his early 90's Miami days. But Grimm turned him back around and had him playing exceptionally well, pro bowl caliber IMO. I think he also had Raymer playing to his peak ability, and perhaps better than we had a right to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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