Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 It's March 12th 2003 MOAB 'Serb PM shot dead' - report "The Prime Minister of Serbia, Zoran Djindjic, has been shot dead, according to a report citing a source from his Democratic Party." Warning from the wealthiest entity in existence Good news from the Vatican (“a recognized sovereign entity with its own diplomatic standing and recognition.”) After being nearly decimated by the barbarians we are well on our way to world dominance, that is after we put America in it's place we have denounced their campaign against Iraq. (“The Pope is saying an invasion of Iraq would be criminal,” says McLaughlin, who is also a former Jesuit priest. “A statement that strong cannot be ignored.”) (“The Pope is more than just the leader of a religious community,”) What the pope say's goes? Countries all over the world pay tax to the Vatican in the form of Tides, in other words if your a Member of the Catholic church your more a less a citizen of the Vatican; And what is waiting our contestants behind door #three... well Bob it's an eternities stay in Hell. (aplause) In other news To hot to Trot Boiled in her blood to frantic degrees, Helen Thomas, Irate at the President for ignoring her Thurday night, is railing the president in retaliation with her artcle titled The 'Macho President' Ignores Calls for Peace She just can't leave well enough alone. You know what they say about the fat lady singing... In Politics one silent Byrd is also singing Senator Robert Byrd "What a high price to pay for the President's insistence on blindly following a war-first, war-now policy on Iraq." The President is not as Blind As this bat brain. I just can't believe how many of our politicle leaders are in the dark, regarding our actual motive's in this war. :doh: Blair feels the heat as 40 Labour MPs call for Blair to resign Hang on Blair "Labour Party discontent over Tony Blair's stance on Iraq burst into the open for the first time yesterday when more than 40 MPs called for the Prime Minister to resign. The Campaign Group of Labour MPs issued a statement calling on the Prime Minister to "consider his position" and fellow left-wingers urged a party conference to discuss a leadership challenge." Blairs Mounting Problems Rumsfeld: US may have to launch war without Britain Britians responce to Rumsfeld's " US and UK interests have diverged because Mr Blair needs to go to the UN Security Council and Mr Bush does not Saddam: to be or not to be... Do or DIE "Saddam Hussein must go on Iraqi television and declare that he will give up his weapons of mass destruction, the British government insisted today. If the Iraqi leader did not do this, his country would face war, the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, told backbench Labour MPs. The six tests involve: · a public statement by Saddam Hussein, broadcast in Iraq, admitting possession of weapons of mass destruction, stating his regime has decided to give them up and pledging to cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. · a commitment to allow Iraqi scientists to be interviewed by the inspectors outside Iraq. · the surrender of, and explanation of the 10,000 litres of anthrax the Iraqis are believed still to be holding. · a commitment to the destruction of proscribed missiles. · an account of the unmanned aerial vehicles and remotely piloted vehicles or drones. · a commitment to surrender all mobile bio-production laboratories for destruction. " Make room the anti war movement is growing to epedemic proportions on a web, wonder what they are going to pillage next... The War on the Web A tax right off Lesson, among other things... Cheney aint no dummy "Mr Cheney sold most of his Halliburton shares when he left the company, but retained stock options worth about $8m. He arranged to pay any profits to charity. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Im sure each of these has a decent argument, but can you keep each thread to 1 topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 Didn't want to flood the forum. Feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 Some Republican members are now telling House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert that they want a new Congressional resolution to authorize military action against Iraq but sources in Hastert’s office say the speaker is resisting because he feels such a resolution would fail. “We don’t have the votes on either side of the aisle to back the President’s play on this,” says one Hastert aide. “A vote would undermine the President and destroy our credibility in the world’s eyes.” Lon Edwards, who worked in the Republican administration of Bush’s father, says the President’s credibility is already gone. “We say we are going to war with Iraq to enforce that country’s non-compliance with a resolution of the United Nations. But the UN, whose resolution we are using to justify the action, refuses to ratify that action," Edwards says. "Where’s the credibility in that?" Other diplomatic professionals agree that the President’s position is growing more and more untenable each day the U.S. set deadline of March 17 grows near. “I went to work in the State Department when Richard Nixon was in office,” says retired diplomat Morris Leibmann, who left the State Department because he didn’t like Bill Clinton’s actions as President. “I would be ashamed to be representing the United States with our allies right now. We’re acting like a spoiled bully who is throwing a temper tantrum because he didn’t get his way.” Look's like this war is being squeezed into play from many directions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 all these comments are irrelevant to the matter at hand - I don't much care about bullying......maybe the world needs to be pushed.....ever consider that?...... btw....jags...haven't heard too much from you on the French action in the Ivory Coast....the one that didn't require any UN notice, support....the one carried out by one of our "allies" whose opinion you care so deeply and profoundly about don't you have any apocalyptic links on that one?....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 LOL To the French I say thanks for your part in our revolution, and the statue of Liberty. You have your agenda we have ours. Doesn't look like any of them will get passed the UN so who cares. It's been nice doing business with ya, sorry to see you on the other side; you can talk your talk but just don't even think about standing in our way. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Jags...your humor is duly noted...but it doesn't square with your previous post.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 Thanks to efforts from such as the likes of yourself, Fran, I have evolved into being a Warmonger advocate/apologist ...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Rumsfeld Putting his foot on the throttle with his comments They have added to a growing feeling amongst those who support action that the sooner it comes the better... The longer the diplomatic process continues, the more damage is being done - to international relations, to the UN, and to Tony Blair's standing... And if the prime minister believes he will emerge victorious at home after a short, clean, successful war - with or without the UN's backing - then he might as well get on with it. Mr Blair can claim he has done what his dissenters want by pursuing the UN route to the last. And he can claim that the French insistence it would veto a second resolution under any circumstances is the "unreasonable veto" he has previously said he would ignore... And few Westminster now believe Britain will not be at war within days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Jags...I suppose if it mattered to me I'ld take umbrage....but nothing you have posted does!!... message board hysterics are a new sort of social disease that deserve passing notice....I guess..........you make for a quality lab rat!!! by all means......please continue......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 12, 2003 Author Share Posted March 12, 2003 You sound like the parents from Charlie Brown...blah blah blah blah blah blah Come on Fran snap out of it, with your hysterics and over 2, 100 posts your just as much a rat as I am in the socalled social diseased lab. Thanks for the complement, any who! Quality lol More takes from the freak show 5 Human shields out of Iraq "The Iraqi government was acting absolutely very stupid," O'Keefe said, dressed in a long Arabic dishdasha robes while talking to The Associated Press at a small hotel in downtown Amman. "If they had only cooperated and let us do part of what we wanted to do, we could have worked with them also to protect these sites and we would have brought in more people to stay Classic This just in. Right wing Special Forces are massing along the borders of the "liberal media." To quote their recent comments, liberals are "latte sipping," "Volvo loving," "humorless," "treasonous," "wimpy," "Godless," "partisan idiots." Any day now I expect to hear that liberals a) eat their young; sleep with barnyard animals; c) made up all 20 9/11 hijackers; and d) know exactly where Osama bin Laden is but aren't telling. Why has the usual liberal-bashing gotten so ugly? Why has the "conversation of democracy" become the type of talk that ends with "Yo' mama"? With America standing so tall it's top-heavy - on the verge of war, the economy in the toilet, shedding allies right and left - Americans need a traitor in their midst. All these problems! We can't blame the Commies anymore, nor ethnic groups, nor the Devil and, of course, not the president. So, Ms. Liberal Smarty Pants Volvo-driving Humorless Hillary Clinton-worshipping Treasonous Godless America Hater, you're elected. Best-seller lists and Nielsen ratings suggest that such slander is good business, so you can bet the slime will spread. What began on talk radio, moved to television and then to books will wage its next offensive in country music. Summer's C & W hits will include "My Wife Ran Off With A Lib'ral," "Ain't No Volvos in NASCAR," "Doin' the Lib'ral Stomp," "Take This Flag and Shove It," and the poignant "My Dawg Ain't No Lib'ral." My dawg ain't no lib'ral 'At's why he gone, Died savin' me From Jesse Jack-sone. Once Special Forces have secured Nashville, they'll move on to TVLand. Get a look at next fall's lineup: "Blame That Liberal" - game show - Contestants compete to blame liberals for the economy, crime, recent blizzards, plane crashes, evil, childhood diseases, Brooklyn, the Red Sox... "Eat the Liberals" - cooking - Chef Ann Coulter shows you how to make hamburgers, hot dogs and all-American barbecue out of the last liberals on your block. Enjoy! "L.A. Lib Beat" - drama - L.A.P.D. detective Bill O'Reilly hunts down limousine liberals, blames them for everything, then blows them away. "Liberal Survivor" - reality show - Jesse Jackson, Ted Kennedy and a dozen attractive ACLU members are secluded in a house where talk radio blares 24 hours a day. The last lib to leave wins a one-way ticket to France. Bon voyage, Frenchie! But liberals will only sink to the slimy depths from which they came once Hollywood gets them in its sights. Then we'll see such movies as: "My Big Fat Lib Wedding" - Jennifer Lopez plays a talk-show host who falls in love with a liberal (Ben Affleck). Can love convince Mr. Smarty Pants to sell his Volvo, drink real coffee and stop subverting the Constitution? "Final Justice" - Light-hearted comedy in which Bruce Willis kills 157 liberals with a blunt instrument. Once the bashing runs its course, perhaps we can get back to discussing politics. In the meantime, as a card-carrying liberal in the proud tradition of JFK, FDR, Martin Luther King Jr. and hundreds of others, let me just say to the bashers: "Yo' mama!" RepubliCONs.com "George W. Bush will officially become a dictator when he announces the United States of America’s unilateral attack on the sovereign nation of Iraq. " "Mystery Plane The Americans say the drone could potentially be used for spraying chemical and biological weapons. Certainly, in the '80s, according to the weapons inspectors, Iraq did attempt to develop pilotless planes which could disperse biological agents, but they appear to have later abandoned the programme. The inspectors say they have questions - Iraq initially declared the drone had a wing span of 4.4 metres whereas in fact it is 7.4." More Pedle to the metal action WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep. Jim Moran apologized Tuesday for his comments that Jewish support for war with Iraq was helping the administration move toward an attack. How conveiniant The Swiss government was quick to join Washington’s war against terrorism declared after September 11. It froze assets worth more than $50 million contained in Swiss banks and linked to suspected terrorists. "We have proved over recent months that Switzerland has done a lot to combat the financing of terrorism," said Vez. Clinton and his 2 cents Clinton also weighed in on North Korea. He says the U-S needs to talk with Pyongyang to stop the country's nuclear weapons program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 "....when the moon is in the seventh heaven....and Jupiter aligns with Mars......" don't bump into any burning bushes on the way to work Jags baby!!!......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 Will somebody tell the POPE to get a life... Exclusive: The Pope brokers secret exile deal to avert war From Marion McKeone at the UN, New York SADDAM Hussein and his family are to be given 72 hours on Tuesday to accept an offer of exile, while 50 of Iraq's top military brass will be offered an amnesty in return for full co-operation with the United Nations in a secret plan to be tabled at its New York headquarters. The highly sensitive proposal was tabled by Pakistan during a closed-door meeting of the 10 non-permanent members of the Security Council on Friday and was brokered by Saudi Arabia, the Vatican and moderate Arab states. Failure by Saddam to agree to the plan would clear the way for war. If the proposal, understood to be in the form of a short paragraph, becomes part of a second resolution and is adopted by the Security Council, the UN would oversee the establishment of a post-Saddam government and the UN, not the US, would take stewardship of Iraq's oilfields. The Iraqi generals and top ranking officers would have to co-operate fully with UN inspectors to oversee the total elimination of any weapons of mass destruction. Pope John Paul II has dispatched his emissaries to meet all the key parties during the past two weeks. His special envoy and per manent observer at the UN, Archbishop Renato Rafaele Martino, has been discussing the proposal with all the Security Council members. Meanwhile, Cardinal Pio Laghi, a former Papal Nuncio, met with President George W Bush, while Cardinal Angelo Sodano has met with Tony Blair. Cardinal Roger Etchegaray met with Saddam in Baghdad and discussed the subject of exile, which he said Saddam did not rule out. American sources have confirmed that the US and Jordan have recently discussed the prospect of using the UN to offer a formal exile and amnesty package to Saddam and his inner circle. Last month, Saddam rejected informal pleas to choose exile over war. But the US is aware that one of the attractions of an amendment that extends the offer to his family and military leaders is the likelihood it may trigger a coup, leading to his assassination by a member of his inner circle. It is thought that Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay, would push for a safe passage out rather than face a cataclysmic end in a Baghdad bunker. 'Uday might be the first to shoot his father if he refused an amnesty,' one senior Jordan official is quoted as saying. The proposed amendment is still at a low rung on the UN procedural ladder but the non-permanent members believe it represents a last best chance to avert a war. But, from the Security Council's point of view, it offers a compromise that would allow its members to unite and vote for a second resolution. UN sources have also indicated that a second resolution on Tuesday with the March 17 ultimatum -- incorporating an offer of exile -- would provide an attractive compromise that would let the French to come on board without 'losing face' or appearing to have capitulated to the US. Here's the Deal I have a hunch Bush will anounce war tonight... The world is going out of it's way to Shut us down. What would we do without Bush. No Iraq oil fields NO economy Let's face it folks it's Go time This is it. They want to put the fields in the hands of the UN which equeals Ero. No way did we just dump Billions for Nothin. Art. ====================================== Yamani: US wants to privatise Iraqi oilfields By Mary Fagan (Filed: 16/03/2003) The US is examining ways of privatising the Iraqi oilfields, according to Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, the former Saudi oil minister. Speaking to The Telegraph, Yamani also said that oil prices could soar beyond $50, wreaking havoc with the world economy, if Saddam Hussein burns the oilfields during the expected war. "We know oil is very important and already the Americans have started to dispose of Iraqi oil [by offering it to others]. " It is said that Iraqi oil will be kept in custody for the Iraqi nation but they have even started studies of how to privatise the oil industry in Iraq. " What does that tell you? The majority of people everywhere say this is a war which is about oil," Yamani said. He said burning the Iraqi oilfields could destroy them, creating a "disastrous" lack of crude. "Whether it's $50 or $80, any price above $50 is extremely harmful to the world economy. The damage would be done," he said. Oil prices dropped back this week on expectations of a quick war and hopes that the US will soon begin to release supplies from its Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Brent crude closed at $31.16 per barrel from a post-Gulf War peak of $34.55 on Monday. Separately, it has emerged that the Department of Trade and Industry has held a secret meeting with UK companies who fear they will lose out in the reconstruction of post-war Iraq. They complained that the Government is not doing enough to help British companies win contracts. By contrast, the US Agency for International Development is already inviting bids from five major American infrastructure groups for a $900m contract to oversee rebuilding in Iraq. BP and Shell have also had informal discussions with the Government about Iraqi oil during "routine" meetings. Phil Watts, the chief executive of Shell, said that the company only wanted a "level playing field" when opportunities arise. Iraq, with more than 100bn barrels of proven reserves, is the second largest oil nation after Saudi Arabia. http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2003/03/16/cnoil16.xml&sSheet=/money/2003/03/16/ixfrontcity.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 The orbiter Atlantis has been separated from the external fuel tank and the solid rocket boosters and will be moved to the orbiter processing facility. Atlantis was to be the launch after Columbia, taking a replacement crew to the international space station. PETER COSGROVE, AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 message board hysterics are a new sort of social disease that deserve passing notice....I guess..........you make for a quality lab rat!!! by all means......please continue......... :rotflmao: :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 3000 bombs in 48 hours "I don't think anyone will be venturing outside during this attack," Ullman said. "During the last Gulf War the allies launched 325 cruise and precision-guided bombs on the first day of a 40-day air campaign; now they are talking about 3000 in 48 hours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 Originally posted by fansince62 message board hysterics are a new sort of social disease that deserve passing notice....I guess..........you make for a quality lab rat!!! by all means......please continue......... Thats why the Surgeon General recommends the use of a condom at all times while surfing Extremeskins. You never know what you might catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 Hussein going underground Israeli and US military sources believe if Hussein decides to fight, he will try to draw coalition troops into a potentially punishing battle for Baghdad. The longer he can prolong messy urban street fighting, the sources say, the greater the chance of international uproar should Washington and London proceed without United Nations backing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 16, 2003 Author Share Posted March 16, 2003 Awesome Article George F. Will: The U.N. is nonsensical By George F. Will Published 2:15 a.m. PST Sunday, March 16, 2003 WASHINGTON -- War precipitates clarity as well as confusion, and the war against Iraq already has clarified this: The United Nations is not a good idea badly implemented, it is a bad idea. For France, and for the U.N. through which France magnifies its own significance, the objective of disarming Iraq, if ever seriously held, has been superseded by the objective of frustrating America. And for America, the imperative of disarming Iraq will soon be supplanted by the imperative of insulating U.S. sovereignty from U.N. hubris. Certain political phrases become, through mindless repetition, cant that bewitches the intelligence. One such phrase is "the international community," which is oxymoronic because "community" denotes unity based on shared political interests and cultural values. And beware of political entities absurdly named. Just as the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman nor an empire, the U.N. is a disunited collection of regimes, many of which do not represent the nations they govern. The U.N. is premodern because it is unaccountable and irresponsible: It claims power not legitimized by the recurring consent of periodically consulted constituencies of the governed. Inebriated by self-approval, the U.N. is grounded in neither democratic consent nor territorial responsibilities, nor independent fiscal means, nor the material means of enforcing its judgments. The U.N. should contemplate the prudence required of the U.S. Supreme Court. The court's power flows from the public's deference, which depends on the court accepting a limited role amid powerful political forces. The court has occasionally imperiled its authority by overreaching, as when it tried to settle the slavery controversy with the Dred Scott decision, and when it tried to stem powerful political tides by finding constitutional infirmities in major New Deal measures. France, by attempting to lasso the American locomotive with the cobwebs of U.N. procedures, has emboldened Iraq and made war inevitable, much as the Dred Scott decision lit the fuse of war. France wants to use the U.N. to acquire derivative dignity in a "multipolar" world with blocs of nations comparable to America in economic vigor, military power and political will. France evidently believes such blocs can be summoned into existence because their existence would be convenient. Remember the joke about the economist trapped at the bottom of a well. "No problem," he thinks. "I'll assume a ladder." France would be well-advised to avoid the subject of other potential powers. With India already the most populous democracy and soon to be the most populous nation, with its population growing more in a week than the entire European Union's grows in a year, why exactly is France (population 60 million) a permanent member of the Security Council? What of the largest Latin American nation (Brazil, 176 million), or the largest East Asian democracy (Japan, 127 million), or the largest Islamic nation (Indonesia, 231 million)? Reverence for the U.N. translates into resistance to change. Liberals eager to be the definers of true conservatism say that once liberal institutions have been put in place it is unconservative not to conserve the institutions. But it is reactionary, not conservative, to preserve the status quo of NATO 15 years after the end of the Cold War. Or of the U.N. Security Council, which is a snapshot of 1945 delusions and compromises. Both, liberals seem to believe, are of undiminished utility and authority. Actually, both call to mind Churchill's story of the man who received a telegram saying his mother-in-law had died and asking for instructions. The man wired back: "Embalm, cremate, bury at sea. Take no chances." Liberals, who call conservative hostility to the U.N. "radical," disregard the recklessness, and the incoherence, of the U.N.'s new presumption. The U.N., a collection of regimes of less than uniform legitimacy, has anointed itself the sole arbiter of what are legitimate military actions. And it has claimed a duty to leash the only nation that has the power to enforce U.N. resolutions. How long will that nation's public be willing to pay one-quarter of the U.N.'s bills? It is a measure of the intellectual vertigo into which the U.N. has plunged "the international community" that America, which is going to war to enforce Resolution 1441, is said to be doing so "in defiance of the U.N." The war will be followed by a presidential election in which all candidates must answer this: "Do you believe that any use of U.S. military power lacks legitimacy unless approved by France, Russia and China?" The Republican candidate has already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 19, 2003 Author Share Posted March 19, 2003 237 flee homes in western Guatemala as volcano begins rumbling GUATEMALA CITY (AFP) Mar 18, 2003 Signs that western Guatemala's Atitlan volcano may be rumbling back to life 187 years since it last erupted sent more than 200 local residents fleeing from their homes, an official said Tuesday. Macario Atz, the mayor of Totlya, a village that sits on the slopes of the 3,357 meter Atitlan, called on authorities to investigate sudden signs the volcano -- one of three that are dormant in the area -- could be preparing to erupt. "We came to take refuge here at San Lucas Toliman because the volcano is rumbling," said Atz. Some 237 Totlya residents fled to the town, located 155 kilometers (95 miles) west of the capital, leaving seven men in the village to guard their property. "We don't know what's happening up there," said Atz who has asked authorities to provide mattresses, blankets and food for the evacuees who fled upon hearing booming sounds from the volcano. Director of Guatemala's seismology institute INSIVUMEH Eddy Sanchez said personnel had been sent to the area, where three volcanos are located in close proximity: the Atitlan, the Toliman, and the San Pedro. The only other recorded data of activity from the Atitlan volcano and the area of the Toliman volcano appears in 1816, Sanchez said. Guatemala has three volcanos in permanent acitivity: the El Pacaya and Fuego volcanos near the capital, and the Santiaguito, located 220 kilometers west of Guatemala City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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