Reid Arrested Again! (Yes, again!)

[pjfootballer]

It seems you disagree with the definition of disease, not the use of the word in relation to alcoholism.

Actually both. I'd treat a disease with medication or therapy. I'd treat Alcoholism/Drug addiction as an addiction.

[pjfootballer]

It seems you disagree with the definition of disease, not the use of the word in relation to alcoholism.

Actually both. I'd treat a disease with medication or therapy. I'd treat Alcoholism/Drug addiction as an addiction.

[pjfootballer]

You acquire the "disease" by being dumb enough to try heroin or cocaine or other drugs. You try them i don't give a damn if its a disease or not you made your choice. Just like smokers, they decided to try it knowing full well it was addictive and bad for you. Now if you were forced to do it, or you were a "crack baby" (born addicted because of an addict mother) then i have sympathy. Video games have been classified as an addiction in many places, so does that mean videa games addiction is also now a disease?

Very good points. I was thinking about that, like Porn addicts or ES addicts. :laugh: Do I have an ES disease? Very good discussion fellas, but I have to get ready for the little trick or treaters. I'll come back in here tomorrow when I'm bored out of my skull at work.

[pjfootballer]

You acquire the "disease" by being dumb enough to try heroin or cocaine or other drugs. You try them i don't give a damn if its a disease or not you made your choice. Just like smokers, they decided to try it knowing full well it was addictive and bad for you. Now if you were forced to do it, or you were a "crack baby" (born addicted because of an addict mother) then i have sympathy. Video games have been classified as an addiction in many places, so does that mean videa games addiction is also now a disease?

Very good points. I was thinking about that, like Porn addicts or ES addicts. :laugh: Do I have an ES disease? Very good discussion fellas, but I have to get ready for the little trick or treaters. I'll come back in here tomorrow when I'm bored out of my skull at work.

[OWUeagleMD]

You acquire the "disease" by being dumb enough to try heroin or cocaine or other drugs. You try them i don't give a damn if its a disease or not you made your choice. Just like smokers, they decided to try it knowing full well it was addictive and bad for you. Now if you were forced to do it, or you were a "crack baby" (born addicted because of an addict mother) then i have sympathy. Video games have been classified as an addiction in many places, so does that mean videa games addiction is also now a disease?

Yes, smokers choose to smoke tobacco.

Does that mean the resultant lung cancer from which they suffer is a weakness, and not a disease?

Who says we can't acquire diseases from our own stupidity, or less, our own choices?

I know a girl who has hepatitis-B from drinking out of a puddle when she was a little girl. That was a really stupid thing for her to do. Hepatitis-B is no less a disease as a result.

You have a problem with the conotation of disease. You disagree with the notion that alcoholism is not the fault of the alcoholic. Best as I can tell, you don't disagree with the definition of the word.

[OWUeagleMD]

You acquire the "disease" by being dumb enough to try heroin or cocaine or other drugs. You try them i don't give a damn if its a disease or not you made your choice. Just like smokers, they decided to try it knowing full well it was addictive and bad for you. Now if you were forced to do it, or you were a "crack baby" (born addicted because of an addict mother) then i have sympathy. Video games have been classified as an addiction in many places, so does that mean videa games addiction is also now a disease?

Yes, smokers choose to smoke tobacco.

Does that mean the resultant lung cancer from which they suffer is a weakness, and not a disease?

Who says we can't acquire diseases from our own stupidity, or less, our own choices?

I know a girl who has hepatitis-B from drinking out of a puddle when she was a little girl. That was a really stupid thing for her to do. Hepatitis-B is no less a disease as a result.

You have a problem with the conotation of disease. You disagree with the notion that alcoholism is not the fault of the alcoholic. Best as I can tell, you don't disagree with the definition of the word.

[OWUeagleMD]

Actually both. I'd treat a disease with medication or therapy. I'd treat Alcoholism/Drug addiction as an addiction.

I believe one common treatment for alcolholism and drug addiction is therapy.

[OWUeagleMD]

Actually both. I'd treat a disease with medication or therapy. I'd treat Alcoholism/Drug addiction as an addiction.

I believe one common treatment for alcolholism and drug addiction is therapy.

[St_Redskin]

No, no scientologist here. And yes, I do disagree with the whole medical establishment. I just don't like to define it as a disease or treat it as such.

Well, to each their own opinion. I am sorry for the way you had to grow up and what you have had to deal with in your family as it relates to this subject.

~Peace.

[St_Redskin]

No, no scientologist here. And yes, I do disagree with the whole medical establishment. I just don't like to define it as a disease or treat it as such.

Well, to each their own opinion. I am sorry for the way you had to grow up and what you have had to deal with in your family as it relates to this subject.

~Peace.

[sikizler]

Yes, smokers choose to smoke tobacco.

Does that mean the resultant lung cancer from which they suffer is a weakness, and not a disease?

Who says we can't acquire diseases from our own stupidity, or less, our own choices?

I know a girl who has hepatitis-B from drinking out of a puddle when she was a little girl. That was a really stupid thing for her to do. Hepatitis-B is no less a disease as a result.

You have a problem with the conotation of disease. You disagree with the notion that alcoholism is not the fault of the alcoholic. Best as I can tell, you don't disagree with the definition of the word.

You are way off-base here. We can acquire diseases from our behavior. Lung cancer and Hepatitis are diseases sometimes caused by actions. Smoking cigarettes and drinking from puddles are actions not diseases. In the cases that you described, these actions caused these diseases. Lung cancer is not the same as being addicted to nicotine and hepatitis is not the same as being addicted to drinking from puddles.

[sikizler]

Yes, smokers choose to smoke tobacco.

Does that mean the resultant lung cancer from which they suffer is a weakness, and not a disease?

Who says we can't acquire diseases from our own stupidity, or less, our own choices?

I know a girl who has hepatitis-B from drinking out of a puddle when she was a little girl. That was a really stupid thing for her to do. Hepatitis-B is no less a disease as a result.

You have a problem with the conotation of disease. You disagree with the notion that alcoholism is not the fault of the alcoholic. Best as I can tell, you don't disagree with the definition of the word.

You are way off-base here. We can acquire diseases from our behavior. Lung cancer and Hepatitis are diseases sometimes caused by actions. Smoking cigarettes and drinking from puddles are actions not diseases. In the cases that you described, these actions caused these diseases. Lung cancer is not the same as being addicted to nicotine and hepatitis is not the same as being addicted to drinking from puddles.

[dockeryfan]

So the argument is that the diseases are what they are (lung cancer, cirrhosis), but addiction in itself is not a disease?

Not sure I agree with that. The brain of an alcoholic is different than a normal brain. Same with a heroin user.

If they are organically different, they may have behavioral differences as a result.

That would be a disease in my book.

BTW, it was probably Hep-A she got from the puddle, OWU. (Hep-E can come from contaminated water as well)

[dockeryfan]

So the argument is that the diseases are what they are (lung cancer, cirrhosis), but addiction in itself is not a disease?

Not sure I agree with that. The brain of an alcoholic is different than a normal brain. Same with a heroin user.

If they are organically different, they may have behavioral differences as a result.

That would be a disease in my book.

BTW, it was probably Hep-A she got from the puddle, OWU. (Hep-E can come from contaminated water as well)

[OWUeagleMD]

You are way off-base here. We can acquire diseases from our behavior. Lung cancer and Hepatitis are diseases sometimes caused by actions. Smoking cigarettes and drinking from puddles are actions not diseases. In the cases that you described, these actions caused these diseases. Lung cancer is not the same as being addicted to nicotine and hepatitis is not the same as being addicted to drinking from puddles.

The original poster stated alcoholism should not be classified as a disease because it is a result of one's decisions and actions. I simply provided another example in which one's decisions and actions may result in their acquiring a disease. Though you've stated plainly that addiction and lung cancer are not the same thing, I'm not sure you've offered any justification to that claim. In relation to the definition of the word, why is addiction not a disease?

[OWUeagleMD]

You are way off-base here. We can acquire diseases from our behavior. Lung cancer and Hepatitis are diseases sometimes caused by actions. Smoking cigarettes and drinking from puddles are actions not diseases. In the cases that you described, these actions caused these diseases. Lung cancer is not the same as being addicted to nicotine and hepatitis is not the same as being addicted to drinking from puddles.

The original poster stated alcoholism should not be classified as a disease because it is a result of one's decisions and actions. I simply provided another example in which one's decisions and actions may result in their acquiring a disease. Though you've stated plainly that addiction and lung cancer are not the same thing, I'm not sure you've offered any justification to that claim. In relation to the definition of the word, why is addiction not a disease?

[DGreenistheBest]

Disease - Dis Ease, or lack of ease, is the simplest definition. Defined in the dictionary as:

A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

also:

A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

Therefore, alcoholism and drug addiction would fall under the definition of disease. However, the second part of this definition is newer and likely a result of the term disease being used in regard to addiction. In other words, the definition came after people starting describing addiction as a disease. Language is fluid and constantly changing, therefore there is no right or wrong definition for disease, only the definition currently accepted by society.

Prior to the amending of disease, a proper word to describe addiction might have been disorder (a disturbance of normal functioning of the mind or body).

[DGreenistheBest]

Disease - Dis Ease, or lack of ease, is the simplest definition. Defined in the dictionary as:

A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

also:

A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

Therefore, alcoholism and drug addiction would fall under the definition of disease. However, the second part of this definition is newer and likely a result of the term disease being used in regard to addiction. In other words, the definition came after people starting describing addiction as a disease. Language is fluid and constantly changing, therefore there is no right or wrong definition for disease, only the definition currently accepted by society.

Prior to the amending of disease, a proper word to describe addiction might have been disorder (a disturbance of normal functioning of the mind or body).

[OWUeagleMD]

Disease - Dis Ease, or lack of ease, is the simplest definition. Defined in the dictionary as:

A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

also:

A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

Therefore, alcoholism and drug addiction would fall under the definition of disease. However, the second part of this definition is newer and likely a result of the term disease being used in regard to addiction. In other words, the definition came after people starting describing addiction as a disease. Language is fluid and constantly changing, therefore there is no right or wrong definition for disease, only the definition currently accepted by society.

Prior to the amending of disease, a proper word to describe addiction might have been disorder (a disturbance of normal functioning of the mind or body).

The first definition is no less descriptive of alcoholism or drug addiction than the second. Of course, it also is likely no less influenced by the currently accepted usage, which was certainly influenced by the medical communty's consensus.

Basically, the debate isn't settled on any side by a dictionary definition. I happen to think people reject the conotation more so than the actual usage of the word. If you accept that a person is still responsible for their plight in life, what's the harm in describing that it's a disease?

If a friend asks for money after he's exploted my generosity twice, and responds to my hesitation by saying "listen man, I've got this disease. Give me a break," then I have a problem with the term as well. But if I'm going out for a drink with a co-worker and he orders a club soda and says "every male in my family has had the disease, I prefer to steer clear from temptation," then I can't imagine disputing the usage. It's a matter of context and conotation, at least in my mind.

[pjfootballer]

I believe one common treatment for alcolholism and drug addiction is therapy.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it. You can treat addiction with threapy.

But I guess "my" meaning of a disease is something that you acquire from a virus, contact with another person etc. Cirrohsis of the liver is acquired throught the alcoholism. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is something you choose to do and you can get a disease as a direct result from them like cirrohsis, lung cancer from cigs or AIDS from sharing a needle doing drugs.

[pjfootballer]

So the argument is that the diseases are what they are (lung cancer, cirrhosis), but addiction in itself is not a disease?

Not sure I agree with that. The brain of an alcoholic is different than a normal brain. Same with a heroin user.

If they are organically different, they may have behavioral differences as a result.

That would be a disease in my book.

BTW, it was probably Hep-A she got from the puddle, OWU. (Hep-E can come from contaminated water as well)

My question would be, what were their brains like BEFORE the addiction? Yes, alcohol and drugs do change the brain through addiction, but there would have to be proof the brain was diseased before the person took the drink or did the drugs. That's where I differenciate the two.

[pjfootballer]

Disease - Dis Ease, or lack of ease, is the simplest definition. Defined in the dictionary as:

A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

also:

A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

Therefore, alcoholism and drug addiction would fall under the definition of disease. However, the second part of this definition is newer and likely a result of the term disease being used in regard to addiction. In other words, the definition came after people starting describing addiction as a disease. Language is fluid and constantly changing, therefore there is no right or wrong definition for disease, only the definition currently accepted by society.

Prior to the amending of disease, a proper word to describe addiction might have been disorder (a disturbance of normal functioning of the mind or body).

Good job explaining that. You kinda took alot of what I was trying to say and putting it in the right words for me. Thank you.

[RedskinsFanatic]

Seriously-Reid needs to think hard about stepping down, it's only hurting his team. He's a fine coach, but the team doesn't deserve to be dragged down like this.

It just seems like whenever the Eagles start building some momentum, some distraction like this gets thrown in their face.

WTF??.........i feel for the Reid family but who in the hell cares about what happens to the iggles?..........you're on the WRONG BOARD! :logo: :eaglesuck

[pjfootballer]

Well, to each their own opinion. I am sorry for the way you had to grow up and what you have had to deal with in your family as it relates to this subject.

~Peace.

Thanks for your thoughts. Luckily I didn't fall into the trap of following a parent who is an alcoholic. Alot of times it's monkey see/monkey do when it comes to these subjects. I think the best thing for me was finally realizing that it's not my fault and not my problem, but my dad's. I came to that realization about 15 years ago and it helped.

I didn't have a horrible childhood. There were good times and bad like everyone else. Alot of times it was more embarrassment when your dad shows up drunk at your basketball/football/soccer games (See Hoosiers). But I got past that it's something he still has to deal with. I never stopped loving my dad, but I don't accept his behavior and he knows it.