bono44 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Every off-season is full of the "this guy won't stink again" articles. I hope Holdman has his butt in shape and his head wired to his ass. But, what is more interesting is that Clemmons has been moved to strong side. If that is true he certainly won't start. He is cat quick. Did he gain weight? Have the coaches decided Holdman or Rocky are it and need the reps? I thought he had the most "up-side" until Rocky catches on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaDRoc Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Yeah stats aren't an exact science. But dude, we're talking about a discrepency of 60 tackles in two seasons. The margin of error is not that big. I think that different sites show different stats because some sites will count assisted (gang tackles) as a tackle. So I'm sure one year he had 160 tackles, but 100 solo (which is really solid) and 60 assisted which shows that he was always around the ball. Nothing to freak out guys. Man do some of us need training camp. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I think that different sites show different stats because some sites will count assisted (gang tackles) as a tackle. So I'm sure one year he had 160 tackles, but 100 solo (which is really solid) and 60 assisted which shows that he was always around the ball.Nothing to freak out guys. Man do some of us need training camp. :laugh: Check it again. NFL.com has credited him with 107 tackles (93 solo) in '01 and 78 tackles (49 solo) in '04. Redskins.com gives him 145 (101 solo) in '01 and 110 (56 solo) '04. They both list solo tackles so it has to be that someone is actually wrong here. It looks like its Redskins.com, and it looks like Lenny P is mocking us for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feeshta Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I don't give a crap about numbers errors. This article is very significant for Lenny P. What is the world coming too? First Peter King decided to re-evaluate his position on Art Monk, now Lenny P writes an Article about the Skins that could almost be seen as positive? Isn't this like the ninth sign of the apocolypse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL4064 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 ive said this before, and il say it again. holdman listening to coaches is a lot better than lavar being the idiot he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL4064 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 and also, thank you len for realizing the skins know what they're doing with their D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Holdman needs to make plays...PERIOD....He wasn't noticeable last year and I never saw him around the ball. I thought it was conditioning so lets hope he can turn it around this year and continues to work on getting that explosion back that he had in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I think the difference is that NFL.com doesn't count special teams tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaroopm Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Tackles stats are notoriously variable - it all depends who is keeping the stats and how they decide to give credit for a tackle. I used to set up my fantasy football league with defensive players (instead of team defense) but I ended up feeling like it was silly because of the way the stats are compiled. Anyway, regardless of his stats, anyone who remembers Holdman early in his career with the Bears will remember that he played very well. His career went south after he was badly injured in 2002. I thought the Browns were getting a steal when they got him, but that did not work out. Still, I was excited when we signed him because I remembered the Holdman who had starred for the Bears and thought he would be a great addition if he could recapture that form. Obviously that didn't happen in 2005, but I guess Dale Lindsey still thinks it is possible. Hopefully another year removed from his injuries, he will be that much more recovered and be closer to the level he was at with the Bears. I guess I am optimistic about him because (based on his early NFL career) I feel like he at least has the potential to be a star player. Of course, we don't need him to be a star for us, so I think a successful 2006 season is realistic. Even Holdman seems to think he has a lot of room to improve on 2005, so that's probably a good sign that he is working towards having a better year than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahamoss Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Can't wait to see what he can do. If he can't do it we got plenty lb's who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 s0crates, you give those two WAY too much credit. They've proven themselves time and time again to be very simple men who do very little research. Regardless of Holdman's actual stats, the coaches on this team have one agenda, win the Super Bowl. If they feel, after watching and training and teaching all these guys, that Holdman is the best for the position, then he's clearly doing much more than he did last year. I'm looking forward to seeing what he's bringing to the table this year. It's great to think that the Redskins may have solid depth at the one position that appeared to be up in the air. A scenario that has Holdman playing well at the beginning of the season and McIntosh working his way into the lineup sounds great to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Check it again. NFL.com has credited him with 107 tackles (93 solo) in '01 and 78 tackles (49 solo) in '04. Redskins.com gives him 145 (101 solo) in '01 and 110 (56 solo) '04. They both list solo tackles so it has to be that someone is actually wrong here. It looks like its Redskins.com, and it looks like Lenny P is mocking us for it. I think you're going a little far with this. Reading between the lines is one thing... Why is this even a big deal? Tackles aren't even an official stat, and this is the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I think the difference is that NFL.com doesn't count special teams tackles.No, that can't be it, NFL.com counts special teams tackles.s0crates, you give those two WAY too much credit. They've proven themselves time and time again to be very simple men who do very little research.I just find it interesting that Holdman has these inflated stats on our website, and Lenny P chooses to use those instead of NFL.com or ESPN.com in his article. Nobody besides Redskins.com has given Holdman credit for that many tackles until Lenny P wrote this article. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but it looks to me like he is mocking us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeydont Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Arringtons presence and foul team chemistry messed up Holdmans head . I know we will see a pro bowl selection from Warrick this year. Arrington who? :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPstretch Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I know we will see a pro bowl selection from Warrick this year. ehhhhh i dont know about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM A REDSKIN FAN Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I know we will see a pro bowl selection from Warrick this year. Umm....if Portis,Brunell,M.Washington,S.Taylor,Springs,Cooley cant get into the Probowl....Holdman is?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 No, that can't be it, NFL.com counts special teams tackles.I just find it interesting that Holdman has these inflated stats on our website, and Lenny P chooses to use those instead of NFL.com or ESPN.com in his article. Nobody besides Redskins.com has given Holdman credit for that many tackles until Lenny P wrote this article. Maybe I am giving him too much credit, but it looks to me like he is mocking us. They are probably adding his assisted tackles. This happens all the time with linebackers. Check Urlacher's numbers and you'll see a difference. When they want to make him look impressive they'll cite the 170 tackles or whatever but his stat card will read 100 or so because those are his solo tackles. Check out a box score from NFL.com and you can see the solo and assisted tackles for defensive players. This discrepancy is apparent with LBs because they make more tackles than DBs and DLinemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFanInTennessee Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 OMG Warrick Holdman isnt on the skins roster according to SIhttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/rosters/redskins.html I think the reason SI doesnt have him listed, was the roster they show there, was updated Tuesday, April 18, 2006, and I believe Holdman was still a free agent at the time. And had not resigned with us yet. Somone correct me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 They are probably adding his assisted tackles. This happens all the time with linebackers. Check Urlacher's numbers and you'll see a difference. When they want to make him look impressive they'll cite the 170 tackles or whatever but his stat card will read 100 or so because those are his solo tackles. Check out a box score from NFL.com and you can see the solo and assisted tackles for defensive players. This discrepancy is apparent with LBs because they make more tackles than DBs and DLinemen. Somebody else suggested that this might be the source of the discrepency, but it doesn't seem to be. NFL.com has credited him with 107 tackles (93 solo) in '01 and 78 tackles (49 solo) in '04. Redskins.com gives him 145 (101 solo) in '01 and 110 (56 solo) '04. They both list solo tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LT Smash Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 we just need holdman to be solid, and our defense will be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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