Zen-like Todd Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 from the post article. Redskins offensive line coach Kim Helton admits his unit still could use some bolstering."Nobody has proven they can be a starting guard in this system, or any system," Helton said. "Right now we're very unsettled in the middle of the offensive line." After losing center Cory Raymer and guard Dave Szott as free agents and failing to re-sign guard Ben Coleman, the Redskins are remaking the middle of their offensive line for a second straight year. The team signed Larry Moore as a free agent to play center, but he played guard most recently for the Indianapolis Colts. The Redskins signed Rod Jones via free agency to start at right guard, but he was a right tackle for the St. Louis Rams. And, for now, the club's best options at left guard are David Loverne, a backup for the New York Jets who was obtained in a trade, and NFL journeyman Kipp Vickers. "I hope we add a bunch more guys," Helton said. "If people become available who can help us pass protect, we need to try to add them." Coleman remains available and another Redskins guard from last season, Matt Campbell, also is a free agent. Ray Brown is unsigned after being released by the San Francisco 49ers, and fellow veteran Glenn Parker says he would like to play but knows that is unlikely after his surgically repaired knee failed the Giants' physical and he was released. Helton seemed to suggest, however, that he would prefer to wait and see which other players become available in the coming weeks. "I'll abstain on giving my opinion on those four," he said. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 So drafting an Offensive guard in the first two rounds didn t make sense? :doh: :doh: :doh: There are times when I regret always being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 TCO, you beat me too it. Helton was so harsh and blunt, it was almost comical. He obviously thinks our interior O-line is total sh!t, and isnt afraid to say so. Hopefully he told the brain trust that, and they will finally sign a decent guard (or two!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 25, 2002 Author Share Posted July 25, 2002 or three! I know, let's trade Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington for Gurode :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Don't you get it yet Dave?!?! Good quality guards can be had in the later rounds... Guards are *easy* to find... right Bulldog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 25, 2002 Author Share Posted July 25, 2002 Who needs Hutchinson or Gurode or Fonoti or Fowler when we've got David Brandt? What's that? Oh, I see. We're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyskinsfan Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I would just grab Brown, just to see if he can at least play for us for this season, while definitely gear up for an acquisition for the 2003 season. He could help the player that needs some developing as well, thus giving some value to the depth chart. C'mon guys, get it done please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 hey dont blame me .. when i drafted along with the redskins (im on record too) i had us drafting terrance metcalf and eric heittman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Originally posted by NavyDave So drafting an Offensive guard in the first two rounds didn t make sense? :doh: :doh: :doh: There are times when I regret always being right. Dave, your not the only one who was asking, "WHERE IS THE BEEF" after our draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I really like this Helton guy...alas he can't play guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trevor Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I was and still am against drafting a guard in the first round, but with the guards that were available in the 2nd-4th rounds, we should have gotten at least one capable prospect considering how many picks we had in those rounds. I still think we could have gotten one with the 2nd round pick and nailed Betts in the 3rd round as from everything I read he would have still been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Brasi Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Why are we not considering Mark Fisher? We could bring him in and move Moore back out to guard. Is there something about his pass blocking that's keeping us from bringing him back? I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W&M Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 I'm still against using a first rounder on a guard .... and am still reluctant to expend a second rounder unless the value is clearly there. But damn, we should have been able to stock pile a few of these guys in roudns 3-5 over the last few years. I guess we're really getting screwed by the collapse of Derek Smith, Mookie Moore, Derek Fletcher, and Mark Fischer .... my hunch is that all of these guys were deemed sufficiently bright prospects that the GM felt comfortable ignoring guard in prior drafts. Of course, I'm still shocked we didn't grab one this year. Oh well .... next year's draft will be evenly distributed bt/wn OG and DL with one WR mixed in. That should be the entirety of our draft. And please God ... turn R.Coleman into a starting prospect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Just a thought, since I haven't seen the practices -- how much of our crappy QB play thus far at camp is due to poor pass protection? If the QBs have the defense in their face most of the time, no wonder they're looking bad. Come on, Danny. Sign Ray Brown and/or Ben Coleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W&M Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Sadly, I think they've been looking awful in Skeleton Drills too (i.e., no pass rush in your face). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted July 25, 2002 Share Posted July 25, 2002 Originally posted by W&M Sadly, I think they've been looking awful in Skeleton Drills too (i.e., no pass rush in your face). All right, then sign Ramsey. He may be raw, but he's the only one of the 4 QBs whom another GM would describe as having "A" list potential. If we're going to have crappy QB play, I'd at least like to be developing the solution to the problem -- i.e., giving Ramsey game experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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