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41 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

I don't know what Ngakoue's true motives were, but the eye test says that was a dirty hit,  completely avoidable and had absolutely zero impact on the play besides ending Logan's season

29 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I can see that, but I think it has to be qualified by things outside Washington's control. The team is really suffering with injuries. Can a QB succeed playing behind a decimated o line? When will McKissic return? Can Ricky Seals Jones and Bates pick up the slack? Is it possible for Curtis Samuel to develop any chemistry?

 

Heinike was pretty bad last week, but he also suffered about six drops. The injuries, rotating cast, etc. make it harder and harder to judge him. That said, I think John Matsko deserves a raise for cobbling together an oline that never had any continuity.

It would be difficult to argue against Matsko receiving a pay raise. He's a keeper.

  Concerning Heinicke, I don't think Ron has the time luxury going into his 3rd season next year to quantify how Taylor has performed based on the 10 other players around him. I believe Taylor has to play himself into the starting role based on his performance regardless of his supporting cast. I don't think time pressure will cause Rivera to make a drastic decision like the Haskins gamble, but I can see Ron and Company either giving up legit draft capital for an obvious upgrade or potentially trading up for an elite prospect. 

  I just don't see at this point how he can continue to be overly conservative chasing a franchise QB and/or also give Heinicke more time to develop after this season unless he plays himself into that role now

11 minutes ago, Burgold said:

If I had to guess I would predict that the current preferred game plan by Rivera and the front office is that Taylor Heinicke is the 2022 starter. I think he's earned it and it will be good for morale. At the same time, I think they hope to get the highest potential coachable QB prospect they can nab in the second or third round to train up and become the 2023 starter.

I believe Heinicke's play based on the entire current season will determine his fate for the upcoming one. I think it's highly probable he will play himself exactly into whatever spot that is - whether it be the 2022 potential starter or the backup

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

OK, got it and agree.  Yeah I agree I don't think Rivera could have moved on in 2020 for a QB.  Haskins wasn't hot but at least he teased some in 2019.  He had a good game and a quarter in the mix of that rookie season and that came towards the end.  Haskins was Dan's guy.  So Rivera couldn't just go thanks for the job but we are bailing on Haskins from the jump.

This conversation usually makes me wonder who Ron in his heart of hearts really wanted to start going into the regular season last year. Would be interesting to know, but as he would probably say, not important 😆

8 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

If you wanna criticize him for the repercussions of not being vaccinated and thus out longer than those who are then that’s certainly justifiable. If you wanna burn him at the stake because for some reason you’ve gotten it into your head that because he’s unvaccinated he must have been the one who gave it to everyone else DESPITE having the knowledge that both vaxxed and unvaxxed can get and spread the virus, it’s pathetic.

 

the way people have treated Chase and Montez around here because they weren’t performing up to someone’s entitled expectations, well it makes sense few FA want to come here and/or stay here. The hyperbole and random garbage made up to create ridiculous villainous narratives makes me not want to even post here anymore.

I think his choice to not get vaccinated is silly based on the ramifications to each team concerning the differences in penalties between the vaxed and unvaxed like you mentioned above. Getting vaccinated is a personal choice and each situation is different. In the instance of the NFL, not being vaccinated can truly handicap a team's run at a championship. 

    I think it's quite obvious at this point that the biggest medical benefit to getting vaccinated is that it greatly reduces an infected persons chance of dying or getting extremely sick from Covid based on an individuals health. My wife is an accountant for a medical company so she had to get vaccinated or be fired. For her to not get vaccinated would have been a dumb decision because the consequences greatly outweighed getting vaxed. 

    I own a very small high rise window cleaning company and am outside most of the time so there is no medical reason for me to be vaccinated at this point so like you I don't view Sweat as a villain for not getting jabbed I just think he has made a dumb decision specifically related to the consequences.

32 minutes ago, Peregrine said:

I mean not to necessarily defend Sweat, but, the anger at him around assumptions about other people getting infected is absolutely bizarre and irrational. 

 

 

I think you can chalk this up to the cumulative effect. Instead of the NFL making it mandatory for all players to be vaccinated they wrote rules that basically made it obvious all players should be vaccinated if they wanted their own personal freedoms and to not handicap the team they play for. Sweat is paying for his dumb dumb decision and not only has the team suffered because he was not available on game day but add that to the possibility that he has caused others to be infected just makes him the source of our resentment and anger whether it's rational or not

7 minutes ago, duffy said:

37 new cases across the league and guys on here burning Montez at the stake 🤣

It's not about having Covid. It's about the night and day difference in restrictions the NFL rules apply to those that are unvaccinated compared to those that are and how it affects their availability for game day

Sweat played his personal game of Covid Roulette and lost so hopefully he learned his lesson from all of this and gets vaccinated. Obviously it's a choice but in professional team sports where your availability is important you really don't have a choice. 2 negative tests is considerably easier than a mandatory 10 days

7 minutes ago, OMacAttack said:

Any updates on the knee or more importantly his throwing arm?

Maybe his knee is fine and the Dr's can take some cartilage out and use it to improve his throwing strength

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 Also they speculated that there is a decent chance that the domino effect on the D line was set by the first player who was reported who got it recently who plays edge.  I see that gets some people hot who don't believe that its so -- so I won't get into it here but they talked about it for a few minutes just now on air. 

We all have choices and consequences. Hopefully lessons are learned without the consequences ending the team's playoff aspirations

4 minutes ago, Capsman said:

Jonathan Allen now.  Montez Sweat’s stupidity is the gift that just keeps on giving.  Get rid of that overrated bum. 

If he learns from this and changes than that would be an even better outcome. Almost no reason for professional athletes to not be vaccinated based on the consequences to your team alone

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Hopefully Allen and the "multiple players" are all vaxed and figure it out - get those negative tests in ASAP

36 minutes ago, CjSuAvE22 said:

Why were those stupid cowboy benches even allowed in the stadium did jerry give dan an under the table check?

Like the other posters mentioned the visiting team is responsible for the benches on their sideline and so Dallas took that principle to an extreme level and flew their own in. If Daniel Snyder wasn't such a degenerate owner it would be somewhat humorous that the opposing team had to deal with defective bench technology on the visitors side of the field, but in this case it just makes him look even more like a cheap ****

35 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

How do you propose we do that without getting better players? You think the Chiefs will lend us Mahomes and the Saints lend us Kamara and the Cardinals lend us Hopkins etc. etc.?

My guess is that the coaching staff will use the players they currently have on the team to administer the butt whooping Dallas has coming. The majority of elite competitors don't take well to being disrespected to the degree that Dallas handed it out. I imagine Wash will do it with class regardless of who is healthy enough to lace up their cleats

6 hours ago, fearlessNelms said:

What really pisses me off about this loss is how McCarthy guaranteed a win- basically unheard of out of a coaches mouth and how Dallas brought in their own benches as an @#$% you and we let them make good on it. Usually when stuff like that happens, the team that talks ends up looking like fools after they get beat down. The Raiders had a team gathering on the Chiefs logo at midfield yesterday before the game and the Chiefs said that was major motivation for the whoopin' they put on the Raiders. 

 

We got chumped and I hope we're pissed about it. 

The entire Dallas organization punked us. It started with their owner bringing in their own benches, their coach guaranteeing a victory, their fans outnumbering ours, the Dallas front seven manhandling our O line and the overall contempt and lack of respect for Wash having any chance of winning the game. Dallas was leaving 10-15 seconds left on the play clock in the 2nd half at times. That's flat out an F you and punk job. Washington better kick their ass in 2 weeks and reclaim their manhood

4 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

i think our guys should use karate on the other guys next time

At least until Heinicke recovers his Jedi mind tricks

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

It's not "offensive", it's just dumb.

 

People are emotional and pissed off that we lost so they decide they want us to go out and play like cowards, bullies, and losers. Dallas was simply the better team today. More talent, less injuries, better game plan, better execution. Becoming dirty players isn't the answer. Better preparation, more talent, and better execution is. Stop with this low road nonsense.

My apologies if you took my words 100% literally here. I agree with some of what you're saying but I also believe some of my points have validity too and for that matter I don't agree with the approach I've implied is a dirty or cowardly way. I'm way over being pissed off or emotional over being punked by Dallas without a response by Wash. This has been a fun, lively way to talk about the game and has been helpful

13 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah it definitely would have been useful for Charles Leno or Brandon Scherff to body slam Randy Gregory, causing them to get ejected and possibly suspended, and hurting our OL depth even more.

 

/s

Tone setter. I bet a modern day O lineman is athletic and coordinated enough to punish a defender in a gruesome manner without it being a penalty. That being said it's kind of humorous that talking about punishing the Dallas D line in an extreme manner seems to be more offensive than the way our offense played today

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Yeah, the faux-tough-guy thing is getting dumb.

 

"We should have body slammed guys and punched them in the throat" is exactly the kind of **** that losers do because they're not good enough to win with talent and execution.

 

Give it a rest, Charles Bronson.

You've created a scenario that was not my intention but I still disagree with you. In structured sports of course that is the case but against Dallas in the 1st quarter it would have been useful. 

7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

This is football, not WWE.

You're absolutely right but I bet it would have led to a better outcome than what happened in the 1st Quarter but instead our offense played scared

7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

So you're advocating our guys thug it up and engage in a street fight. Yeah no thanks. I'm not trying to get the few guys we have active ejected or suspended.

I'm not sure about a street fight but I will say I'd rather see one of our O lineman pick up Parsons and body slam him rather than allowing our QB get pretzeled. Maybe my approach is all wrong and my dislike for Parsons and Gregory has blinded me to reality, but from my experience when you go up against thugs or bullies you punch back hard to set the tone

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

These people preaching buzzwords don't actually know what they're referring to. Its just random nonsense. Its like when boomers preach to "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps." By that logic, dishwashers should be millionaires.

 

Don't confuse effort with ability or skill/talent. That should be locked at the top of this thread so we can put an end to the non sense cliches and buzzwords about manhood and being physical and blah blah blah.

Sure some of it is hyperbole but if you get disrespected in a backyard fight you either fight back or get your ass beat. This is the way football used to be played and considering the way Dallas disrespected us coming into Sunday some of that mentality would have been useful. Either that or you out class, out maneuver and out play them. For example when T. McLaurin got smashed after a reception at the end of the Bucs game he got up and started pounding his chest. That's symbolic of punching the opposing team in the throat. It's an attitude that you need to win in combative sports

23 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

It's outdated for a reason: because it doesn't actually work. It's the equivalent of "rub some dirt in it." It's a meaningless thing that dumbass people came up with to sound tough. But in reality if you rub dirt in a wound it just gets infected. "Punch them in the mouth" philosophy is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo for the most part. Of course you want to play physical, but it's a physical sport so there's very little getting around that. What matters is talent, planning, and execution. And we were simply lacking in all three of those today, it seems.

Well said and I agree. When your main rival run their mouth and disrespect you and then bring their own benches you either whip their ass so other teams know that kind of behavior won't be tolerated or you put together a game plan an execute it towards victory

18 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Punch Parsons in the throat?  Yeah, dirty play, that's the ticket!  Let's get one of our guys ejected and send Parsons to the hospital with a collapsed windpipe!  

 

Come on @Warhead36, COME OUT SWINGING!!!!

It's not dirty if you're protecting your QB and it's done during gameplay while pass blocking. I did give 3 options to emphasize that they had to answer the Cowboys eye for an eye and chose not to.

Doc Walker gets on my nerves when he starts talking X's and O's but he has a point when it comes to football philosophy even if it is outdated 

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

So what does come out swinging mean?

 

If we come out swinging, and the Cowboys come out equally swinging, the better team would come out ahead, right?

 

These non sense buzz words just kill me. They're so meaningless.

What it means to me is you either literally punch Parsons in the throat during game play, rip his arm off on a blatant holding call instead of letting your QB get molested or you use the Cowboys aggressiveness against them and make them pay until they slow down the pass rush

3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

But that doesn't mean we're always going to beat more talented teams.  Just because we beat more talented teams didn't mean we were going to win today.

 

 

Losing to a more talented team wasn't what was embarrassing it was being manhandled by Dallas and not being ready for the physicality of their front seven in the 1st quarter of play

I didn't expect Wash to win and being without key players made game planning more difficult, but Dallas guaranteed a victory brought their own benches in, filled half the stadium with their own fans and then proceeded to punch us right in the throat. We got our ass kicked in the 1st quarter and embarrassed. I realize the game has changed, but you still have to respond in a physical way and rip their head off until they understand you won't be embarassed