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22 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

He also hated Herbert and had Jacob Eason as his #2 QB right behind Burrow and Herbert as his #5. He actually said some of the same stuff about Herbert as he's saying about Maye.

At least he’s consistent. 
 

I keep trying to pump myself up for Jayden so I’m not disappointed.  That Florida game was amazingly impressive 

47 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Ok, he's off the draft board for me personally now.  

That’s funny, because my reaction was, “yesssssss”. You wouldn’t want a 1st/2nd round talent in the 3rd/4th? Imagine him in a DT rotation with Allen and Payne? 

23 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I'm going to throw a brick if any of the three ends up with the Giants but a bigger brick if its Maye. 

 

Raanan who covered the Giants forever for ESPN seemed plugged in, he's not the only one tying Daniels to the Giants.  But Maye and McCarthy also getting mentions.

 

Daboll got a ton more out of Daniel Jones' legs than the previous coaches -- 700 plus yards the previous season when he's healthy.  I'd hate to see what he can do with Maye, McCarthy, Daniels who IMO are all faster than Jones.

 

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/sports/jayden-daniels-malik-nabers-put-on-lsu-pro-day-show-in-front-of-giants/

“The Giants desperately need some explosion in their offense,” one NFL scout told The Post....

“You hear Lamar Jackson [comparisons] floated a lot with Daniels. That’s putting heightened expectations on him — he’s not the athlete Lamar was coming out of college, but he’s a more advanced passer, and a scrambler. I think Jayden will give you hope to win in any situation because of his unique combination of running and passing abilities.”

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f

I don’t know why, but I was thinking Daniel Jones was faster than this. Maye actually is faster. 
 

Regarding Daniels vs Maye, it’s easy to see Maye’s ceiling. There have been a ton of super successful NFL QB’s that look and throw the ball like Maye. I think that part of what makes me nervous about Daniels, is that he doesn’t really fit the archetype. There’s never really been a SB winning QB that looked and played like him, and even Lamar Jackson, who is everybody’s holy grail of mobile QB’s, hasn’t been as successful in the playoffs as his more traditional competitors 
 

I don’t like to see Quinn talking about what kind of players scare you as a defensive coordinator. DC’s hate uncertainty and they’ve prepped for big armed QB’s a million time. The game plan is the same. Being a threat to win any given game with your legs is not the same as being the type of player that can make multiple championship games. 
 

Not that Daniels can’t. I just don’t have a million examples of guys like Daniels who have had incredible 12 year careers and won super bowls. 

I’m going to throw a brick if we pass on Maye and he winds up with the Giants. 

6 hours ago, method man said:

 

It’d be very hard to say no to Kool Aid if he is available at 36

I feel like Kool Aid would be perfect for this defense. 

Does anyone else think JC Latham could fall? He doesn't seem to have had a very good draft season. I feel like if his workout numbers weren't going to be really bad, he would have worked out at his pro day.

13 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

It seems like every PFF metric favors Maye over Daniels and a number of them, May over Williams.

55 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Harris’s mantra is no short cute.

 

I can’t imagine AP not being in agreement.

That is the nice thing about not having a coach centric FO. 
 

Adam Peters is a highly regarded, young, new hire. I would assume that he is hoping to work a full career of more than 10 years hear and have a long period of sustained success. I wouldn’t expect for him to make sacrifices in order to get to the first round of the playoffs a year faster. 
 

And Dan Quinn is also a new hire who should get plenty of leash. 
 

Im not sure they will take who I want, but I do trust that the decision making process should be solid and focused on a long term vision. 

9 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I see they are meeting with Caedan Wallace, RT for Penn State.

 

Just watched a quick game.  Solid.   Good athlete.  9 plus RAS.  massive hands, almost size 11.  34 inch arms.

 

Mirrors decently, decent anchor.  Some power in the run game.  Can move to the 2nd level well.    He seems to have some potential issues with pass rushers with spin moves and who come off slippery.

 

 

 

 

It’s things like this that make me think we are going to add talent at both tackle spots. We’ve been sniffing around LT’s and RT’s and I suspect that we grab one of each in rounds 2 and 3. 

How did the Drake May/Jayden Daniels thread take over the FA thread? There’s a dedicated place for this conversation. 

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah he was talking about his mechanics are consistent from throw to throw.  He also met him at some QB camp or something like that and was impressed with his makeup and how coachable he was and eager to learn.

 

He had some concerns about how little he threw on the 2nd level.  And didn't think he had a big time fastball as to his arm.  But otherwise he was very high on him. He thought slam dunk top 3 pick.

 

He was OK with Maye but had concerns about his consistency as to his machanics.  It changed too much for him from throw to throw and at times he had a hitch that slowed his delivery.  He liked the size and wow plays.  He came off like Maye was the bigger wildcard.  But he also said that if he committs to the task he felt that he can fix his mechanics -- he didn't say that was slam dunk but was optimisitic.

 

But overall I was impressed with his humility.  He made the point that its hard to translate college QBs to the pros and he's gotten some wrong.  And projecting that this or that will translate to the pros isn't easy.  

 

Simms on the other hand comes off so sure of himself, surprised he's not making billions doing draft evaluations for teams.  

Jayden does have a beautiful release and mechanics. 
 

I want Maye. But, even at his pro day, there is just something funny about his release. It almost looks as if he throws off his back foot without transferring weight as a matter of habit. His throwing shoulder very commonly does not rotate forward and his non throwing shoulder remains in front. 
 

Regarding Daniels’ work ethic, I find the discussion more worrisome than reassuring. It sounds like he just found his work ethic this year. What happens when he’s a top 3 pick and multi-millionaire? 

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

 

I don’t think Chop falls and I don’t think we move up for him. But, he’s exactly the kind of edge rusher that we don’t have amongst our guys. The quick twitch, burst around the corner guy.

Emory rates Daniels’ arm strength and velocity as better than Mayes? That’s a joke. It invalidates his entire QB breakdown. It’s almost like an ES LSU alum poster’s take. 

3 hours ago, TheBigJourney said:

At least from the Fox sports article I posted as well as the other reports about him, I get the vibe that Peters likes McCarthy a lot more than people think. He possesses a lot of intangibles that are crucial to a franchise QB and has room to grow as a 21 year old. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s viewed as Kirk Cousins with better mobility, and we know how much that 49ers front office wanted Kirk back in 2017.

I’m so, so, fatigued of intangibles. It’s been 20 years of intangibles. This draft, and Christmas, I’d just really prefer some tangibles. 
 

I’ll take Drake Maye and then Jayden Daniels, in that order, please. And I’ll take Penix over McCarthy. 
 

I think Penix could be the Drew Brees of this draft class. Taken late first, early second, but long and super productive career. 

I watched just one minute of this. I literally cannot imagine a pro day being filmed in a way that is less useful and entertaining. These pro day highlights from NFL.com, zooming in on the QB, from the front, are just utterly worthless. You can't appreciate the ball leaving his hand, the trajectory, spin, velocity, or placement. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/deion-sanders-certain-cities-aint-gonna-happen-for-shedeur-sanders-travis-hunter
 

It’s crazy to be on a short list of where players would want to go now.

1 hour ago, skinny21 said:

I found the VR stuff in that Daniels article pretty fascinating.  Seems like a tool that could have pretty huge implications in terms of development.  Heck, just the ability to use that for guys that aren’t getting many reps - backups or young 3rd stringers - could be a game changer.  The potential to use it for measuring processing speed, or the ability to identify defenses has to be pretty attractive as well, though I presume it’ll take some time/work to get it to that point?

aI think Josh Allen also trained with VR after his rookie year to improve his game. 

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Kingsley is starting to become my LT of choice if we stay at 36. But I still think a trade up for one with a higher floor is a safe bet.

Kingsley is now creeping up in the PFF mock draft simulator, which I have set to operate on consensus, not who they favor. He's pretty frequently in the end of the 1st now. 

If we draft Jayden Daniels, I’d love to add a WR that can get deep reliably and track the deep ball. Reuniting Daniels with Brian Thomas could be fruitful and exciting. 

I think that Verse and Mina are both going higher than that.

5 hours ago, RWJ said:

That is, it.  That's his ONLY criticism.  He can't take the shots the big dogs are going to put on him. We both know it.  That's my concern.  He's straight up talented and love the guy!  Seriously.  SEC is the best hands down but you said about the Pros being more advanced and when the dogs come to hunt, they are out for blood.  If we do draft Daniels, Peters and Co. to include most especially the coaching staff need to ensure he can slide before contact properly and coach him up to be the best and he's protected.  

It’s not his only criticism. It’s not even the one that bothers me the most. He has one of the weakest arms of the top 6 QB’s in the draft. He doesn’t throw over the middle or make tight window throws. His pressure to sack ratio is so bad, it would make him a historical outlier if he is successful. 
 

If Daniels had Drake Maye’s arm and made tight window throws, he’d be my solid QB2 if he weighed 190. 

Ja’tavion Sanders discussion starts at 56:52. If you were listening without them mentioning the player’s name, you’d think they could be describing Jordan Reed. 

WR, OT,OG, TE. The OL could be completely transformed after a year of development. Solid WR core. TE depth at least, without a true dangerous receiving threat though. 
 

one thing I’ll note is that Jordan Morgan and Chop Robinson are consistently going in Rd 1 now, in these mocks. 

3 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

I like Michael Penix though.  No way I would choose him instead of Maye, but if we were picking third, I would trade back and pick him instead of Daniels or McCarthy top five.  I think he's better than both of them.  He's a lot stronger than them and he's creative and anticipates really well.  I think his pocket mobility and elusiveness are the best in the class, and he sees the field almost as well as Maye and Williams.  Aside from his injury history, the only thing I don't like about his game is the ugly, super low release.

I agree. Love Penix as a guy later in the first. Somebody could really get a steal. I like Maye and Williams better. I’m not sure about Daniels. But, it wouldn’t surprise me if Penix became a big time player in the right situation. 
 

If I was Pittsburg, for instance, I would rather have taken a shot on Penix. Maybe Atlanta should draft him. Kirk can’t play forever. 

Regarding Daniel’s, it’s not just the speed and strength of NFL defenders compared to college. It’s also a 17 game season plus the playoffs. That’s a lot of cumulative wear for a runner.