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6 minutes ago, justice98 said:

I think we're perilously close to this organization getting the Elway/Eli Manning treatment from a top QB. 

Cam Newton took a year in New England, and Rivera will add to the offense next draft/FA with Newton coming on. 

Alex Smith will be released at the end of the season. Plenty of cap space. 

Just now, KDawg said:

 

Okay. I can't tell who the hell it was. Why does that matter with the analysis part?

If you're going to break down a play...

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

That touchdown pass to Woods was perfect design. The fade with 1 and the post corner with 2 froze Collins. The corners job in cover 2 is to drop with 1 until there’s a threat to the flat. He can be trail technique because he has help behind. So he sees the back and continues his drop eyeballing the threat. In hindsight he could have continued to drop, but he is flat responsible and the back acted as if he was flaring. I would have told the corner that you carry one if he’s vertical and let the backers rally to the underneath throw. Yes, if they hit the back in the flat it’s a sizeable gain, but it’s not 6. 
 

the backer to that side drops to his hook/curl responsibility and he carries #2. 
 

#2 did a great job in getting behind the backer and selling post before breaking to the corner route, so the backer froze. 

Apke would have been under the post if it continued, but the receiver planted and broke to the corner. Collins initially had okay position. He made a few glaring errors though. 
 

He didn’t stay deeper than the deepest threat, he did a sprint turn and I think the 2 receiver may have been a post corner option... so when he saw Collins frozen and not moving towards one he kept him frozen by running the corner. 
 

The CB did continue to carry after a hesitation for the back to the flat but Woods was gone.

 

Apke was a little too flat footed for me, too, because if Collins went over the top to 1 the second receiver would have likely broken skinnier and been open in the middle of the field.

Everett was in on that play. C'mon man. 

He dropped down and probably would have been beaten on that post, but that was his route to take and Collins needed to stay with the outside receiver. Only two receivers were running deep, and the offensive weapons are lined up to start on Collins side. 

He needs to show a better understanding of cover 2. 

15 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

Honestly, I expected more, for the mere fact that Whitworth is 38 - 2 years older than Alex. And I'd like to think that Young could use his speed to take advantage of the old guy. But like you said, I'm not going to let one game get me down. But then if there's a 38 year old who can block that well, it makes me wonder if there's any 38 year olds on the street that could help our dismal OL, that maybe got overlooked

Whitworth is special. Really blossomed in his thirties. 

Also thought Jason Peters was done many years ago, particularly after the achilles tear.

20 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

I don't know. KPL hasn't been good, either. He's our best LB. But if you're telling me we're going to be in a debate about who is better between KPL and Landon Collins we all lose

I really don't think it's a debate. KPL has been the only good player in those units. 

Collins is playing like a scrub. 

36 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

 

He's been really, really, really bad.

 

But he's far from the only one. He is paid too much to be as poor as he is as it pertains to angles and coverage awareness, for sure. But as sad is it is he is still probably the best player of our linebackers and safeties. He's the highest paid and should be, but that should give some perspective as to how bad our coverage unit really is. 

But is this even true? 

Has he been better than KPL? Heavens no. 

Just now, carex said:

no.  He was good last year and we're five games into a season with a new D.

Why can't he understand his responsibilities in a cover-2?

An All-Pro safety should understand the basics. 

Have we seen enough at this point to classify the signing of Collins as a huge mistake?

The money was always too much for a box safety, and now he's targeted by the offense as a weak link. 

Not quite in the realm of Adam Archuleta, but he's supposed to count 17 million next season, and they would save $4 million of that cutting him. 

Shocked that we're picking on Apke when the highest paid defender is one of the worst players on the team. 

3 hours ago, method man said:

You let Roullier go. It’s likely that someone overpays him this offseason. 

Exactly. 

Ismael likely to play next year. Similar to how everything went down with Roullier. 

On 9/24/2020 at 1:16 PM, carex said:

 

what are you asking?  Are you asking if we're swapping the guards with Scherff out?

I am not tapped in enough to know whether they would think of seeing Martin at RG for a few games, or whether Ismael enters into the equation with Roullier moving to guard. 

15 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

Again, you're just hearing what you want to hear and not listening, which is the hallmark of today's political/social discourse, so I don't know why I'm surprised.

 

Tell me where I said I need a "saint" anywhere?  Are you capable of understanding nuance? I'll say it again. I don't need a saint. Jack Kent Cooke was no saint. I don't need a Bible-thumping, church-going, charity-giving whatever. I just need someone who's:

 

a. Competent as a leader, and if not, willing to let someone else lead.

b. Not a complete and utter lying, petty, deceitful scumbag who's created one of the most toxic cultures in all of sports, something that doesn't just affect employees, but the success on the field as well, which should be painfully obvious to everyone at this point. 

 

Digging? I don't need to dig when I've lived through the last 20+ years. He's the worst owner in the NFL, arguably the worst owner in all of professional sports, but I'll grant you he at least has some competition in the latter category, albeit very little. 

First off: I'll bet I'm better at nuance.

Second: Confirmation bias. You are seeing what you want to see too.
Third: Jim Irsay has been the annual winner of worst NFL owner for a long time.

Listen...I'm not saying I automatically assume everyone with disproportionate amounts of money are jerks, but most often there's a reason they got there. And without a good amount of smarts and luck over a long time, it's hard to get to that point without a predatory relationship with your environment. I'm just calling it what it is. These teams are toys for the uber wealthy. Some of us further the profits of the owners by purchasing exorbitantly priced merchandise, tickets and concessions. I contribute through this website (advertisement/third party dollars) and some years I have used DAZN, but otherwise I have time for the highlights these days and therefore the advertisements/third party dollars via YouTube.

Me? I'm all about the game. I watch the NFL for the elite level of competition. I like seeing us humans perform at a high level. Doing what we should be doing, as individuals, and finding our highest levels of personal performance. That extends beyond sports.

I'm past worrying what's happening beyond that.

So....

Christian - Schweitzer - Roullier - Martin - Moses

?

31 minutes ago, Dissident2 said:

 

That's a lame response to just about anything. Besides, based on everything we've seen over the last 20 years with this owner, both on the field and off, there isn't a worse owner in the league. And I can't imagine there are many more NFL owners who are worse human beings. Quite possible, but how is that an excuse/reason not to be disgusted by the drek we've been saddled with for two decades now and want something done about it? 

 

People who just want to enjoy their team? Go for it, I get it to a degree. I was that guy for awhile, too. But I have a much harder time these days separating the team from ownership, because I truly believe he's just an utter scumbag, and I long for the day when we can do a REAL reboot, starting from the top. 

 

Besides, I don't necessarily need a "truly good person" to be the owner of our team. Just someone who isn't a truly evil one will suffice.  

Dude....

If you think it's a slam dunk that he's the worst in the NFL, you need to do some digging. 

If you want to be righteous, don't follow professional sports because there are few saints. 

Are any of the billionaire owners truly good people?

It is what is. 

Most exciting team in a long time. From the front office to the coaching staff to the players. 

On 8/12/2020 at 4:56 PM, mistertim said:

That's an odd statement on Allen. He's not at all a 2 gap space eater. In college, being a penetrating 3 tech was his specialty and that's where he's looked best in the NFL. He can split double teams but that's different than being a "space eater". I do agree that he's very technically proficient at stacking and shedding while keeping his eyes on the ball and then throwing off a blocker. But again, that's a different thing than being a pure 2 gap space eater.

I hear you on this point, and yet I am struggling to see Allen as a long-term piece aside from the leadership.  Keeping him st 3 tech over someone more athletic like Payne is likely a mistake. 

No issue with Ioannidis and Settle on the nose.

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Noone stacks 8 in the box against our run game.

When Gibson motions from the slot to the backfield, it will be hard not to. Without a TE threat, I think that will embolden teams to do it all the more. Other starter out wide will be a rookie. 

Like others have said, it's nice to cash in on a third rounder right away with the history of wide receiver busts. 

No doubt Terry is a legit #1. Teams quickly treated him that way. 

You can't double Terry all the time when you have 8 in the box (Gibson and Peterson). 

5 hours ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

This was in response to someone saying Sims was fun to watch.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1285586191446880258

 

That would certainly be helpful.

 

Suspect you'll see it often with the plan to use two runningbacks featuring Gibson heading to the slot pre-snap. 

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

What does that have to do with my point?

You want to carefully manage expectations, and I see your point, but it's hard to see him doing poorly with the depth along the line. 

The advantage of a 34 to 43 conversion is the defensive line gets a boost.

If he's not being talked about as DPOY, then something else went horribly wrong along the way. 

I like how they filled out the back end and keeping costs down. Hoping they are eyeing a FS next year on day 2. 

Media should just move on to picks 3-5, because that could get interesting. Instead, they will attempt to generate buzz about 1-2. 

Scary Terry. Great nickname.

1 hour ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

Why?

Injuries?

9 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

As the leader of the Quick fan club I am happy he is back, but expect him to barely play once again.  PR is a good add but his injury history concerns me being a speed guy. Maybe our "grass" will be better for him.

 

Anyone want to take a stab at who our Z receiver (Flanker), X receiver (Split End), and Slot receiver will be?  I think the Crowder lined up wide experiment may be over.   My guess. Doctson X, Richardson Z, Crowder back home in the slot, but I don't see Crowder off the field more than Richardson.

x - Doctson, Quick
z - Richardson, Harris, Davis

y - Crowder 

I would expect Quick and Harris to know multiple positions, Davis I think they'll keep as a long-term project at Z. 

4 hours ago, DJD2 said:

Would really like to move Reed if possible. His value is never going to be higher.

If he plays >14 games next season and gets some accolades, his value is higher. If he's healthy, he will have a monster season in Gruden's offense with Smith's accuracy in the short game.