Dark Acre

You keep Howell, draft your QB at #2 - he sits his first year while you rebuild the team around Sam.  (There will be growing pains.)  Sam either gets shellacked and medevac'd or he proves he can play in which case you see if you can get something for him in a trade.  It won't be high because he'll only have 1 year left, but if he can play, some team will give up a 4th or maybe a 3rd for him and you slide the new QB into the now-smoothly operating team.

6 hours ago, RabidFan said:

Re trading up, the draft trade value chart has the 1st overall pick at 3,000 points and our 2nd pick at 2,600 points.  That's a 400 point delta.  Our picks at 36 and 40 are worth 540 and 500 respectively.  So a fair slight overpay would just be giving one of our 2nd rounders this draft.  OFC inside the top 3 prob throws sanity of the chart out the window and especially if people come up from picks 5-10 in what they'd have to give up to the Bears.

 

An example is the Giants who are at #6 but their entire draft value is 2,910 points (includes two 2nd rounders and one pick per other rounds except none in the 7th).  So the value drops quickly.  But as most are saying if the Bears are going to trade down they won't go to us but prefer a bigger Haul.

The draft trade value chart is nearly useless.  It fails to account for the difference in the available players.

1 minute ago, method man said:

After the massive push by the entire team to get Terry 1k yards, do you really want to move him?

In a package for a 1st or to move up for Caleb if the brass decides he's it?  Yes.  Frankly, I'd trade or cut the entire team.  Start over completely.  Have the EPA condemn the stadium and change the name too.

6 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

The moon-penix comp is a really good one.  Good eye

Moon-penix sounds like one of Frank Zappa's kids.

6 hours ago, Leonard Washington said:

I prefer we don't trade any future draft picks. I'm ok with trading players.

I poorly worded the post to which you're responding.  We could trade a couple of players for a #1 (such as packaging Terry and Jon since no one's giving us a first for either one).  I would also rather keep picks.

We do also have a few players, including Jon Allen and Terry McLaurin, we can throw in in a trade up to #1 if we really want Williams (or maybe another 1st rounder).

There could be two NFC teams in the playoffs with losing records.  Just get it over with and go to an NHL-style second season where all but the bottom team in each division gets in.

Whiffing on a QB with a top 3 pick surely sucks, but which is worse:  1) drafting Zach Wilson* at #2 with no loss of additional draft capital; or 2) trading multiple picks including 3 #1s to move up to 3 to select Trey Lance?

So if you're at #2 and there's a QB you think might be your franchise guy, but you're not sold, the pick is justifiable because you don't lose any additional draft capital and any pick can bust.  Frankly, even if whoever our guy at #2 is is even league average, it's a good pick.  An average starting QB is better than good players at any other position because of their outsized effect on the game.

*Zach Wilson's mom (the MILF of all MILFs) does somewhat ameliorate the pain.

1 minute ago, mistertim said:

What is it with you guys and Ruth's Chris? That place is so insanely overrated. You want an actual amazing steak in DC? Go to Bourbon Steak.

I'm a scotch guy....

Honestly, though, best cow I've had in a long time was a 1/2 pound cheeseburger cooked medium-rare right in front of me at a dive bar in Reno the other day.  Mouthwatering and only $17.  $17 gets you a shot of mediocre scotch at a hoity-toity steak place.

2 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

We should just sit the whole defense. Allen. Payne. Fuller. Especially our DT’s, since they could be trading blocks.

You want the offensive guys to play 2-way?  That'd be a lot of fun but I'm not sure how practical it is.  We do know that Terry can tackle.

8 hours ago, NYSkins21 said:

Is there any scenario in which we bypass this 1st round altogether? Trade the #2/#3 overall pick FOR:

•2nd/3rd this year 2024

•1st’s, 2nd’s, 3rd’s 2025

•1st’s, 2nd’s, 3rd’s 2026

 

Think about the haul we can get if we trade this years 2nd/3rd overall and not get a 2024 first rounder back. We’d be set up for rebuild success from this one pick.

 

Thoughts?

While I can't imagine anyone making that offer, I'd strongly consider it.

7 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

And that goes double when you don't have to trade up.  When you trade up, you better get it right.  But if you don't have to trade up -- its like someone handing you a free meal at Ruths.  You take it.  Assuming you like Ruths.

For those who don't know, Ruth's Chris is a la carte - you order vegetables separately from that juicy, delicious, mouth-watering hunk of meat.  So, question:  you're getting your favorite cut of meat.  Do you also get:  1) broccoli, 2) baked potato; or 3) side salad?

Wrong.  None of those.  If you're at Ruth's Chris and you have room for plants, you order a bigger piece of meat.

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Do you enjoy being stuck in perpetual mediocrity?

After awhile (23 years of it), it becomes not only familiar, but comforting and welcoming even.  Sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your name and they're always just the same.  Cheers!

If this team drafts an OT at #2 or #3, as much as we need an OT, facepalm.  We need a lot more than an OT outta the 2nd or 3rd overall.  Moreover, the utility of any offensive lineman rapidly drops off -- they don't need to be able to run 4.3 the length of the field, no style points for perfect pancakes, etc.  WIth OL, you need guys who can do what you need them to do, not be The Best Ever.  The difference between 2nd/3rd round OL in a deep draft and what we have now is sufficient to justify not using a high first on OL.

9 minutes ago, rumplestilskin said:

Thats some good **** right there!

That triggered that Revenge of the Nerds quip.

4 minutes ago, rumplestilskin said:

I am pretty sure I could catch a ball against Forbes and I am 2 feet shorter and 25 years older than Lamb. 😆 

So if you're 25 years older than Lamb, is your name ReCord or Eight-Track?

22 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 They have to agree to that. They probably want pick along with some veterans.

If Williams gives the Bears the Eli Manning treatment, good luck to them.  My larger point being we have players we can throw in in trades because no one who's not still on a rookie contract should be coming back next year.

Fields is not playing well.  What is this nonsense?  If we're at 2 and we want Caleb Williams, we trade #2 to Chicago + Terry + Jon Allen.  We lose no draft picks and those 2 aren't going to make a positive difference in this team's trajectory.  Chicago take Maye or Daniels at 2 and becomes a playoff contender (not SB, but in the hunt for a 10-7 WC spot).

It's a shame that Howell's done here because I'd love to draft Harrison Jr.  Oh well.

7 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

You been celebrating today?

Not sure I'd call that celebrating.  Cry for help?

Marvin Harrison Jr. on a 5-year rookie contract or no Marvin Harrison Jr. on a 5-year rookie contract?  If he drops to where we pick, that is the first question you ask.

3 hours ago, BrentMeisterGeneral said:

Justin Fields ballin, Bears got a decision to make

No way he's worth a 1st.  Caleb Williams or Justin Fields + whatever you trade #1 for?  Caleb Williams.  You take anything for Fields, make your pick, and move on.

We're gonna be #3.  No way Dallas loses to us no matter how little they have to play for anything.  They'd be the laughingstock of the league, no matter what the excuse.

One thing I'll say for Sam - from afar:  if you make smart picks and free agent pickups, Sam might just have some extra motivation to prove himself and he'll have 2 years to do it.  Ok, Sam, we're giving you Marvin Harrison Jr., 4 new linemen, and a shiny, expensive-but-proven TE1 to go along with Terry, Jahan, and our RB by committee.  Up to the challenge?

The ending of this game was almost about to be more heartbreaking/gutwrenching than the loss to Dallas, 35-34, at the end of 1979.  We dodged a life-altering bullet, folks.

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Dude probably scrambles in his living room at random times

That's gotta be one of the funniest things I've ever read here.  It would make a great Southwest Airlines commercial:  "Still scrambling long after the season's over?  Wanna really get away."  They'd probably have to strap him into his seat because if he did anything in flight, it would be intentional grounding.  I feel really bad for Sam.  We all had high hopes for him and he bore the brunt of all our suffering.  At this point, if I'm ownership, I'm cutting everyone I can't trade and I'll take a 7th in 2025 for some guys if that's all that's offered.  Washington should have *nobody* under contract when the draft starts.

6 hours ago, Rex Tomb said:

Oh man, Al Davis had quite the hard on for speed. He didn’t seem to care about much else.

JaMarcus Russell wasn't known for speed.

5 hours ago, No Nonsense said:

Because he's a young QB with a lot of upside. Do you think Justin Fields is THAT bad that he doesn't warrant a look? 

For 2 seconds or a first?  Not a chance.