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Exactly.

Quillin-Rosado will probably be the most exciting fight of the evening.

On another note, there are some interesting fights coming up for the last quarter of the year:

Firstly, I just have to point out that my boy Errol Spence fights on Monday!!

Bhop-Murat takes place at the end of this month. But a good co-main added to that one with Peter Quillin-Gabe Rosado.

Alexander-Porter at the end of Nov in Texas. Card still being finalized.

Zab Judah-Paulie Malignaggi on the 7th of Dec. Co-main there is Trout-Laura. Rumors for at least one more good bout will soon be added to that card.

We already know Broner-Maidana is on ppv in Dec. They are finalizing that card with some interesting fights. For the co-main that night, Victor Ortiz makes his ring return and debut @154 against Carlos Molina. There are also a couple other nice bouts Golden Boy has added to that card.

Plus Khan is supposed to get matched up against somebody soon since he ducked Devon. But we'll see. All in all, good quarter of boxing by GBP to close out '13.

Could be much ado about nothing but:

http://fighthype.com/news/article15354.html

Did you see Sergio's last fight? If Cotto fight like he did last Saturday, he wins easily.

Yea I did. That's why i said he has lost a step. But I know styles makes fights and to me, Sergio's style will give Cotto problems. Keep in mind, Sergio was injured going into his last fight. He was not 100% and opted for surgery right after.

Martinez-Cotto at Giants stadium the week of the Puerto Rican Day Parade is what Arum wants, would be massive but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Bradley-JMM is an eh PPV to me, I'll catch it for free the week after

Rumor has it that both fighters have already agreed to the fight. Now it's just a matter of working out the details. I think Sergio should want a tune-up first although I still have him winning. Cotto just isn't the same any more. Not taking anything from him, he did look magnificent against Delvin Rodriguez. BUT he did look magnificent against Delvin Rodriguez. 

Sergio has def lost a step or two but I still think his hand speed, coupled with the fact that Roach doesn't teach defense, will spell disaster for Cotto. He now has a false sense of confidence in Roach mainly because of how good he looked last Saturday but that will quickly be exposed by Martinez if he brings his a game. 

Admittedly I believe it could go either way but I got Sergio by decision. Cotto's face does seem to batter quite easily so it could very well be a late round stoppage. All in all, I expect a very, very good fight between these two.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/03/amir-khan-matchmaker-anderson-mayweather

If this fight actually does materialize, Team Khan is making a HUGE mistake by speaking on it rather than staying quiet. They'll really make themselves look bad when all is said and done.

Those were good fighters, I don't know if I'd call any of them great. I just don't understand why Floyd gets a pass for avoiding a lot of great fighters when.others have been called-out.

Try to follow. Who said he avoided "GREAT" fighters? You can deny it all you want to, but he avoided Tzsu, Margarito and Pacquiao. To sit there and say he didn't avoid anyone is very laughable. It's also funny that Floyd says that he won't fight Pacquiao because he lost twice but if the rumors are true, he'll be fighting the guy(Khan)that got KO'd by the guy(Garcia)who fought on his undercard in May.

I would love to ask Floyd does he still consider Alverez undefeated?

I like debating with you but you contradict yourself a lot man. Look, the fact of the matter is this: Floyd is the best of his time right now. There is nobody on his level. The scary thing is, as others decline with age Floyd seems to be like a damn bottle of fine wine. Pac never stood a chance in the ring with Floyd. His style would get him destroyed against Floyd. Pac is much like Alvarez, a good fighter but not great and not on Floyd's level but hyped enough by media and promoters to lure the casual fan into thinking he actually would give him a good fight. 

Every fight that doesn't get made you say the fight was ducked by Floyd. So Floyd has to fight every single fighter that calls him out?? C'mon really dude?? He'd be fighting every 3 months and for what.. to prove his self over and over again. It's mind boggling. Then people fail to realize that the promoters have A LOT to do with whether or not a fight actually gets made. Just because two fighters say they want to fight each other doesn't actually mean they'll be sitting at the table tomorrow signing contracts and picking a fight date. It's just not that easy dude. Sorry but it just isn't. Promoters really have all the power regardless of what the fighters say.

Then we get to the double standard. Pac had an option to pick between the winner of the Rios-Alvarado fight. Who does he pick?? The loser of the two. Now if Floyd were in that situation and made the same selection, he'd be CRUCIFIED by fans, media, and everybody else with a set of lips attached to their face. But for Pac it's perfectly acceptable.

Floyd fought ODH on Oscar's own terms. By terms I mean glove size, ring, weight, purse split, etc. Floyd def got the ****ty end of the stick there. Manny fights him (at an even older age than Floyd did) and Manny dictates all terms, draining the man in the process and still gets credit for beating an all-time great. Floyd chose to step up in weight and fight Cotto. Manny drained him. In discussions for a rematch, Manny refused to even make the catchweight 150!! So that's how Floyd ended up even getting the Cotto fight in the first place. Don't let me discuss Canelo. Manny wouldn't even be caught in the same ring with that boy. You, him, Arum, Roach, and everybody else knows that would be career suicide for Manny. But Floyd completely outclasses him and all people wanna dwell on is 2 damn lbs!! But conveniently disregard the fact that Floyd walked into the fight @149 and Canelo close to 170.

Look at the names that gets thrown at Floyd: Hopkins, Ward, Martinez, GGG, etc, etc, etc!! I mean it's crazy. If Floyd and Manny are (or were ever) considered equal then why have NONE of them names ever been realistically mentioned for Manny?? Exactly.  Everybody knows they aren't fair fights but who cares when it comes to Floyd because he's superman right, he can beat any and everybody right?? Manny has never gave anybody that idea of him in the ring. If any of those names are mentioned with Pac then who would actually be the favorite to win??

Pac gets to fight fighter after fighter at severe advantages for himself. Majority of his fights you will notice one or a combination of these things are always to his advantage: fighters are usually coming off a recent loss, coming up in weight, or forced to drain themselves to get the fight. It's very sad. Now Mayweather usually won't fight anybody unless they: either have a belt, undefeated, or coming off a big win. Yet and still we continue to debate 'opponent selection'.. Please, give me a break with that nonsense.

I could go on and on and on and on but I have already said WAAY too much and my apologies for the long post. It's just that the Mayweather-Pacquiao debate never seems to be debated fairly or with actual facts for the Pacquiao side of the argument. Rather bias statements and rumors which in turn always makes me rant in a completely bias manner for Floyd. But I will always use facts. I just ask that you do the same. Again my apologies for being so long winded. 

Pacquiao fought JMM and Morales in their primes. Even though Oscar probably wasn't in his prime, he was still the overwhelming favorite to beat the smaller Pacquiao. Pacquiao destroyed Margarito. Not a great fighter, but was avoided. And before you make jokes, he was one of those guys Floyd avoided at the time.

The fighters off the top of my head Mayweather avoided is:

Tszu

Margarito

Pacquiao

Many also wanted him to fight Sergio Martinez. Now that Sergio has lost a little, wouldn't surprise me if Floyd fought him in May.

You'd put Hatton in the HOF? And since when did you have to be great to be avoided? You know as well as I do that Margarito wasn't a great fighter, but no one wanted any part of him for a while.

Let's look at a guy like Erislandy Lara. I wouldn't consider him great, but he's a guy Floyd would think twice about fighting.

The obvious disdain and complete bias towards Floyd is too laughable to even begin to address. You say great yet mention Margarito??...Okay. I also won't waste time giving the whole background about why that fight didn't happen when the public was calling for it.

Then you actually mention Kostya Tszyu?? C'mon bro seriously. He got sent into retirement by Ricky Hatton. But that's another post for another day. 

But just to get to the point..You mentioned great fighters that Floyd avoided. Please name these great fighters please.

Also, how does Manny continue to get credit for the ODH fight but Floyd doesn't?? 

Those were good fighters, I don't know if I'd call any of them great. I just don't understand why Floyd gets a pass for avoiding a lot of great fighters when.others have been called-out.

Yea I figured you'd probably call them "good" but I wanted to know if you could say any differently for Pac against "great" fighters and also do you have examples of so many great fighters that Floyd avoided...

Diego Corrales was undefeated and considered top 5 p4p when Floyd embarrassed him. Hatton, undefeated with some damn good wins on his record when Floyd knocked him out. Genaro Hernandez has 2 losses on his career to DLH & Floyd, Floyd dominated him at 21.

You know what SU when he first posed the question I started to type a response similar to the one you did. Then I deleted and decided to pose the question back because these are famously known fights so apparently the fighters are only considered "good" not "great" as he put it.

I never said that they were tomato cans. Other than Castillo has Floyd ever faced another "great" fighter in their prime? And before you say Zab Judah, he has lost every big fight in his career. Dude lost to Cory Spinks.

And I put the word "great" in quotation because I'm talking about great fighters, not good fighters.

Has Pacquiao?

I think he was implying that a lot of the great fighters(De La Hoya, Mosley, Cotto)he fought were past their primes. Other than Castillo, who are the great fighters he faced? Judah, Gatti, Hatton, JMM, Alverez?

Just because he makes the fighters look below average shouldn't discredit the victories. If you honestly think about it, if ANY one of the fighters you mentioned actually convincingly beat Floyd they're INSTANTLY considered great. They already have established careers in the sport plus a good following and fanbase. If any one of the guys were to hand Floyd his first L you def wouldn't be mentioning them in that question as if they're tomato cans.

I respectfully disagree. Let's not forget he beat JMM 2 times and if he didn't get careless, he would have beaten him last year. People seem to forget Pacquiao was controlling the fight until JMM landed that punch. And he beat Bradley regardless of what the scorecards said.

Mayweather could very well beat Pacquiao, but don't give me he has no shot at all. Who has a better shot, Khan?

Yes he did beat Marquez but each fight had a debatable decision. You could actually argue that Marquez won the fights. I never said he has no chance and I wont say that. But I said his chances are slim. Styles makes fights and Manny's style and lack of defense plays perfectly into Floyd's hands.

Also to mention Khan is laughable. The only reason he gets the Floyd fight is because of his fanbase. All about money, period. There is no one with a "better shot" and to be honest nobody with in a division north or south of the WW division really stands a legitimate shot against Floyd right now.

I never once said Pacquiao would outbox Mayweather. I said that he would crowd him and with his hand speed and power, could beat Mayweather. I understand that Mayweather would be the favorite and I agree that he should, but to me, it can only truely be settled in the ring. I don't care what JMM did or anyone else.

The fact that you said he can beat him in a boxing match is why I used the term out box. But I get your point, just respectfully disagree.

Pacquiao has shown time and time again he cannot handle a boxer with good reflex and timing skills. Mayweather is the best at it. Manny has very poor defensive skills and his come forward aggressive style only plays into the hands of Floyd because it will allow him to do what he does best which is sit back and counter punch. 

Aside from the "All it takes is one punch to change a fight..." theory/argument, Manny Pacquiao honestly does not stand much of a chance against Floyd Mayweather. Sorry bro, but it's the truth.

I agree with just about everything you said, BUT he didn't fight everybody. And your last point is why I'd give Pacquiao a good chance of beating Floyd. He would also crowd Floyd PLUS he has speed.

Juan Manuel Marquez is a great counter-puncher. Anybody who knows anything about boxing will never debate that statement. Now having said that, just know that because of that fact is the sole reason why Pac has so much trouble with him. Floyd is probably the best counter-puncher the sport has ever seen and he's actually much more offensive than JMM. Not only more offensive but quicker, stronger, and a lot smarter in the ring. Floyd's timing is unmatched and his defensive skills are impeccable. JMM has excellent timing as well but he's not as slick as Floyd and not as crafty. As we saw when they faced off, Floyd is clearly the superior between them easily pitching a shutout on the scorecards and making it look effortless. So what I really want to know is what have you seen from Pacquiao that would lead you to believe he can really outbox the best pure boxer in the sport?? 

RIP Mr Norton

No way I was shelling out my hard-earned money on a fight with no chance of a knockout. Plus, I will never rent any Mayweather fight after the way he ran from Pac. Floyd is the most overrated fighter of all time.

"Of All Time"?!! damn

 

 

This idiot gave Canelo 4 of the last 5 rounds

 

That kind of incompetence cannot be accepted

Still stuck in disbelief. 

Mayweather Promotions not exactly signing blue chip prospects.

 

Takes a while to build a promotion company, but he needs better scouts.

Agree 100%

I have been saying that for the longest now. But in his mind, they are the "future future of boxing"

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IIRC, Garcia/Mattyhsse was suppsoed to take place in DC with the Lamont Peterson fight.

 

Golden Boy moved it up to 9/14 tho.

It was originally scheduled for Sept 7, 2013 at the Verizon Center.

I have never heard Floyd say they can negotiate PPV revenue. I just heard a flat rate of $40M. And maybe not as much, but back then, he certainly deserved more than what Floyd was offering.

I agree 100%. He should have been offered a bigger flat fee only going off of what the fight would have generated at the time. But I will say this, if they were to fight today Paq would be lucky to be offered half that amount.

He's polarizing, but he's really not that popular of a draw all by himself. I still don't put him as big a draw as Oscar or Tyson. Those two could have fought anybody and it would have done great business. I don't think you can do that with Floyd.

That's crazy you say he's not that big of a draw all by himself when his name is attached to so many ppv, revenue, and live gate records. No he isn't doing 2mil buys alone with a no-name fighter but the fact is you can put any two fighters in the ring together and they will generate any said amount of $$. Then take each of those fighters and one by one put them in the ring with Floyd and he'll shatter said amount easily. That is why he's acknowledged as the biggest draw in the sport.

You do some research to compare Oscar's and Tyson's numbers to Floyd's and get back to me. Let me know what you come up with.

...and as to the fact that you say those two could do great numbers with any fighter and Floyd can't.....?? That is confusing to me all in itself. In today's ppv industry, 750,000 buys is a hugely successful ppv business night. Yet anything under 1mil for Floyd is considered a failure. That fact says it all right there. Every fighter is held to a standard. Mayweather's is a lot higher than any other fighter. If Mayweather turned in a ppv outing that only generated 700k buys, can you imagine the backlash he'd get for that?? But if Manny turns in those numbers, it's all well and fine....

Are we going there again? I guess Pac should have accepted a flat $40M while Floyd would have walked away with well over $100M and ALL of the PPV revenue. I don't care if Pac wasn't going to ever $40M, I don't think he wants to be short-changed. And while we're on the subject, will Mayweather ever make the kind of $ he would have made fighting Pacquiao? So maybe he should have sweetened the deal.

Mayweather has said plenty of times he never told Manny he would get none of the ppv revenue. He gave him the 40mil offer and told him they can sit and negotiate the back end. The back end means the ppv checks that roll in years down the line. No Manny would not have made what Floyd made for the fight but can you honestly say he deserved to??

Mayweather is such a polarizing figure though that you find a lot of folks buying his PPVs cause they want to see him go down.

 

You don't get that with Pac. Now if Pac is fighting a mexican fighter you get both fanbases buying, but Mayweather gets his fans, his opponent's fans, and then a third base who careless who he is fighting they just want him to lose.

 

Either way it is more $$$$

Regardless of where the drawing power is derived from, the fact is Mayweather has more drawing power than anybody else. So because he is the biggest draw, he will naturally generate the most revenue and do the biggest numbers. He may not be liked inside or outside the ring, but he is definitely a marketing genius.