AsiaticSkinsFan

why is Kareem entitled?

he had arguably had the greatest basketball career ever. If anything, he is under-appreciated.

I didnt see the 2nd as a Bradley round.

Altho I meant 3-5 were when Manny clearly won, so my mistake.

the 2nd round was a close round that I gave to Manny.

If our front office had a better, or any, record of developing big men, I'd be much more receptive to the idea.

yeah, Im with you on this usually. But I think Blatche and McGee could have been helped by having a veteran big man to learn from. Nene is a true professional, and I wouldnt have an issue with Drummond watching him play and trying to beat him for a starting spot.

I'm still:

1. Beal

2. TRob

3. Drummond

4. MKG

I'll be somewhat disappointed if we come away without Beal or TRob. After those two, I'm not really in love with any candidate so I would swing for the fences with Drummond and prepare to be disappointed with the end results.

the more I think of it, the more I want Drummond. I think having Nene here will help him a lot.

The more I watch the closer it gets too me like someone said I can't remember who there were only three rounds that was clear the entire fight.

I said it earlier. For me, only the 2nd to 5th round were convincing rounds for Pacquaio.

They didn't? Bradley was shaken at least two times. And Bradley DOES have a good chin and good foot work which kept him from getting KOed.

the one time Bradley was "shaken" was when he rolled his ankle.

I bet the other time was also when his ankle and apparently broken foot was bothering him and he lost balance.

After 12th rd, but before the judges scores were announced, odds in Vegas were 200 to 1 on Bradley winning decision over Pacquiao.

In other words, Vegas knew the fix was in.

did you check the odds before the scores were announced in the Margarito fight? Or Clottey?

I bet they were similar.

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Compubox is human operated, so it isn't without flaw. It shouldn't be the end all be all for "power punches" IMO

its two guys who tap a button to say where the punch connected. they focus solely on both fighters. Its a great tool, but like you said its not end all be all and they have been biased in the past.

If Victor Ortiz wins later this month, he could be in line to face the Canelo Alvarez in September. Interesting

Yet the people paid to judge the fight ...across the board saw the fight only one round different.

He was not robbed. He lost a close fight that he probably should have won.

Does that make you feel better ?

The fight was close. It was not robbery or a blow-out. That's not robbery or dominance.

Pac should have dominated. He didn't.

precisely my feeling. It was a very close fight and I feel both guys missed a lot, hence why Im throwing question on those compubox figures.

This is what recent Pacquiao opponents have looked like after Manny connects on around 40% of his power punches

This is Bradley post fight

not the best comparison, but Pacquiao can really hurt guys when connecting. He didnt here.

I think most people have one leg shorter than the other. It's just how much is what matters. A good chiropractor once a week would take care of that. My right leg is longer than my left. I go to get an adjustment once a month. I don't think it's that big of a concern unless he starts to have back problems. A good pair of insoles or something to even it out wouldn't even be noticed.

idk, im just leery since Greg Oden had one leg longer than the other

That fight wasn't nowhere near close. Bradley was the most surprised person in the arena when he was declared the winner. Compubox doesn't lie. Pacquiao landed way more punches.

idk man

round 7, compubox said Bradley only connected on 11 punches. Im rewatching it now and he connected on at least 12 punches with a minute left in the round. And I say that thinking that was a Manny round.

Sr's on record saying Pacquiao easily won the fight.

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Floyd Sr: "judges in the Pacquiao/Bradley fight should find a new job."

http://tracking.si.com/2012/06/10/manny-pacquiao-timothy-bradley-judges/

he didnt say easily, tbf.

And I also think Manny won, my point is that fight was very effing close.

The foot injury does a good job to rewrite history by obscuring the fact that Bradley was wobbled badly and it wasn't all a hurt ankle. He was hurt several times in the fight and never damaged Pac at all. His defensive head movement wasn't working, look closely, manny was landing lost every time he tried it and he often ended up a little woozy. The first round want even... It was even until manny landed three hard punches, which means that it was no longer even. Three hard punches is significant, especially when all three stop your opponent cold and send him back peddling.

the only time Bradley was wobbled was when he hurt his ankle. I wanna say it was round 4 or 5. He backed up and looked like he was about to go down. That was the round Bradley rolled his ankle. You can also see throughout that fight that Bradley was not moving the same way he was early on in the fight. Instead of backing up and being on his heels like earlier, Bradley was elluding with head movement and ducking his head. And his head movement was there at the end after he adjusted to his injury.

Idk, I think Manny won that fight but it was a VERY close fight. Even during the Manny slobbering, Emmanuel Steward pointed out that Manny's over hand left was not connecting anymore after the earlier rounds.

And like I always tell people about Roach fighters, Bradley started closing the ring off and closing on Manny and forcing the fight to be an inside fight. Roach fighters cannot fight on the inside.

I dont believe Bradley hurt Manny much, but he was scoring points which is what its all about.

Well, the Mayweather's don't agree and they can't stand Pacquiao.

those were fake twitter accounts. Lets wait for their real views.

thats ur view.

I think he did, altho i admit they were very close.

Really, outside of rounds 3-5, the fight was really close.

I rewatched the fight

I gave Bradley that first round, and then 9-12.

still only 5 rounds, but it wasnt the most dominant display that HBO and co would have you believe. Manny missed a lot of punches and Bradley caught him a few times. He scored well even if it wasnt hurting Manny.

Bradley's last 4 round strategy would have won him the fight with no controversy if he had that tactic from the start of countering.

Also the middle rounds, really after round 5, they were very close. I think Manny won, but they were close rounds.

Also, I watched without sound because I wanted no bias from the commentators.

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Can you somehow see how Bradley won 7,8,9 and 10? I think it's impossible for Duane Ford's opinion to be that of a sane man's.

I could. Rounds 7-9 were VERY close.

For someone with a broken left foot and a badly sprained right foot, Bradley moved pretty well to avoid some of Manny's over top shots from the left.

even though I think Manny won, I dont believe the punch stats.

im going to watch a replay tonight

not exactly true:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/6/10/3076117/pacquiao-vs-bradley-controversy-results-robbery-rift-team-bradley-dunkin-arum-hbo-boxing-news

Arum lying? Why he wouldnt!

I had 4 for Bradley.

I think the HBO slurping of Manny had a strong bias. Plus Manny didnt really fight that hard the last 4 rounds.

the Marquez fight, I struggled to find 4 rounds for Pacquiao. Every clean shot in that fight went to Marquez and he countered Manny to death. He took off the last 2 rounds tho.

one thing is that Bradley's ankle was messed up as the pic shows above. Have to give him credit, maybe not on the scorecards, for not going down and quitting.

Bradley's ankle

and the JMM/Pac decision in November was worse than this one.

I don't know if it was said here, but I agree with the person who said Arum wants to make a bunch of money off a rematch (which Pacquiao will obviously win), and then make a bunch of money with Pacquaio/Floyd. If you're saying that they're scared to fight Floyd, I don't understand why you would lose to avoid him. Isn't the whole point of being scared is that you're afraid to lose?

Manny can take a loss, especially one like this where he is the sympathetic figure, and not lose much prestige to the eyes of the casual boxing fan and public.

Arum wants to cake off that rematch obviously, and keep the money completely in house for a big pay day.

Taking an L to Floyd and Manny loses all that prestige he had before.

I don't know if it was said here, but I agree with the person who said Arum wants to make a bunch of money off a rematch (which Pacquiao will obviously win), and then make a bunch of money with Pacquaio/Floyd. If you're saying that they're scared to fight Floyd, I don't understand why you would lose to avoid him. Isn't the whole point of being scared is that you're afraid to lose?

Manny can take a loss, especially one like this where he is the sympathetic figure, and not lose much prestige to the eyes of the casual boxing fan and public.

Arum wants to cake off that rematch obviously, and keep the money completely in house for a big pay day.

Taking an L to Floyd and Manny loses all that prestige he had before.

Pretty much kills any hope of Pac/Floyd.

Knowing Floyd, he's going to start negotiations at 75/25 split smh

By Wednesday morning, nobody but the hardcore boxing fans will care.

I can't ever remember hearing of a bad decision being overturned. There have been robberies before on this scale, not a one has been overturned.

No, we've seen worse robberies.

Paul Williams fight versus Erislandy Lara was worse last year.

And if Manny cant have his promoter on his side, why should Floyd show sympathy?

he lost to Marquez and they doing this to avoid Floyd. Cool. Just glad you all see this now. Arum is the worst.

The stalling here is just hilarious. They should just discuss the NBA playoffs.

thats what Manny was doing

Projects better than Lamb. Beal has a strong frame and comparable athleticism to Lamb. Lamb is quick and creative, but he is terribly thin. He's got a legit physical red flag that might never go away. I think this could be a big issue for him down the road and it limits his upside. Kelvin Martin might be the absolute best case scenario for Lamb.

Lamb's athleticism>>>>>>>>>Beal's

and Beal is more KMart than Lamb is. Im not trying to start anything, but you have some off the cuff views about these players. It feels like you havent watched much of them.

I do agree about Lamb being thin tho, but that doesnt concern me as much as Beal not taking good shots and not being that athletic.

Beal measures like Eric Gordon...but he isn't the athlete he was. He lacks that explosive first step, so he would need to grow a little to compensate.

yeah, people are trying to force this comparison when its not accurate at all. Gordon is a great athlete and very explosive. Beal is not anywhere near that.

Yeah, I guess you could say that for HS and college basketball. I do agree that it's a hotbed of talent especially with Baltimore close. My initial thought was more towards the pro side. Redskins trump the Wizards, Capitals, Nationals/Orioles for fandom.

yeah, the Redskins trump everything in this area but this is a basketball town. The meccas of bball in this country are Chicago, DC, NY, LA, Seattle, and ATL in no order. The WCAC is probably the best Catholic bball league in the country.

apparently one of Sullinger's legs is longer than the other. Not sure if I like that.

http://boxingalongthebeltway.blogspot.com/2012/06/this-is-week-that-many-beltway-boxing.html

http://boxingalongthebeltway.blogspot.com/2012/06/too-sharp-profiled-in-post.html

Congrats Too Sharp

indeed, a deserved honor

There is no such thing as a 'win now' rookie.

there are, they just dont exist in this draft.