TMK9973

1 hour ago, Drfustercluck said:

to Wentz doing a Michael Jordan impersonation at the goal line, and I'm fuming: WHY THE **** DIDN'T WE DO THAT ON THAT 4TH AND 1????

No way justifying the 4th and 1 call. Terrible call. Even worse that you don't have BRob on the field!

But you cant call the QB over the top extend the ball play anywhere other then goal line.

At goal line as soon as ball breaks plane it's a TD.

4th and 1 he does that and a LB smacks the ball out it's a fumble.

But a reg QB sneak, or any handoff to Brob would have been enough 

3 minutes ago, El Mexican said:

 

The Shanny decision was ego-driven. It will stay at #1 for a long time due to its terrible ramifications for the entire organization.

 

This recent RR decision seems disconnected from ego. More of a different reality sort of vision by HC.

It was a gamble and we lost.

 

Now having said that, he should have returned to Heine after halftime. The entire season was on the line!

 

 

Agree with you 100%

This was a gamble. And RR would have had great credit if it worked 

But it didn't and he gets the blame. But to add on that he didn't know we could be eliminated means he made a gamble without even knowing what the pot was!

Inexcusable 

3 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

The new coach will run an offense and defense that might not b e compatible with the players he inherits ; so expect roster turnover in year 2 of the players that don't mesh.

Then don't hire that coach.

The good coaches in the league look at what they have, figure out what they are strong at and what their weakness is, and then designs a system around those players.

A bad coach does what you just described. Has a system they refuse to move from and spends 3 years trying to make the current player fit into their system while trying to replace players.

2 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Rocket Screen

Excellent call. Must have been blacked out from my memory.

Hand off there and we are down 14-3.

We took the opening drive of 2nd half down to score so would have been 14-9 (we missed the xp) and back in the game.

Instead we were down 21-3 and the entire 2nd half felt like garbage time.

Bar argument started yesterday and will bring it to the forum.

I'll start with positives.

#3- 2007 Joe Gibbs challenging too many men in the field by the Bears. Redskins were 5-7 at the time and allowing too many men to be something you could challenge was only implemented that season with little fan fare. 

Redskins won the game and went to playoffs with a 9-7 record.

#2- Joe Gibbs Benching Jay Schrader for Doug Williams halfway through a meaningless regular season final in 1987.  This was not as obvious as it seems. Redskins we're 0-2 in games started by DW that year and 8-2 in games started by JS (although 4 of those games had DW finishing the games). JS had also taken the Skins to the NFC championship the year before. But the move worked out. 

#1- Joe Gibbs. 4th and 1 early in 4th qtr Super Bowl 17 and going for it and calling 70 chip.

Honorable Mention - Starting Timmy Smith over George Rogers last second in the super bowl. Only HM because might not have mattered. The holes were huge, Smith never had a good game again, and George Rogers may have done just as well.

Worst coaching calls ever.

#3 2007- Joe Gibbs. Calling Back to Back Time Outs against the Bills before lining up for what would have been a game winning FG. 15 yard penalty, cost us the game. 

#2 2022 Ron Rivera. With the season on the line he benches the guy who has saved the season and had the team playing inspired football to put in the guy who was 2-4 and looks horrible for all but 2 QTRs in 6 games and didn't even realize the team could be eliminated with a loss. And even if fans and other experts argued for that call, I struggle to believe that there were not signs in practice that Wentz was going to be this bad. At a min it was clear at half time the team needed a spark and to save the season a move should have been made 

#1- 2012 Mike Shanahan. Wild card weekend. After breaking out to a 14-0 lead against the Seahawks, it was clear RG3 was hurt. Cousins had played that year and showed he was more the capable. But despite the entire country seeing as plan as day that RG3 needed to come out of the game, MS waiting until he had no choice, and by then it was too late 

Taking other nominations!

Just now, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

He was god awful by every possible metric at assessing QB play.  Joey Slye is not going 4/4 from 58 yards every week, the defense isn’t going to force turnovers and score every week, the running game isn’t going to dominate every week.

 

There were zero tears shed when Heinicke hit the bench.  Rivera consulted with his captains for Christ sake.

 

He rightfully thought the offense needed a spark. He wrongfully thought Carson was capable of providing it.

5-3-1 vs 2-5

Same coaching staff.

Same defense

Same Online

TH never lost to a team with a losing record this season

1 minute ago, CommanderCarson said:

One guy won more than he lost, which is what everyone and their mother were trying to scream in here. One guy lost more than he won. 
 

I’ll admit, I started to think it could be different and I was excited to see him this week. I have egg on my face.

 

The difference is I can own that, you’ll sit here all night talking about them both sucking so when your head hits the pillow you are able to have a restful nights sleep. 

This. I was hoping I was wrong.

But defaulting to "they are both bad" is a cop out 

One had a winning record and never lost to a non playoff team. 

The other is 2-5 and couldn't beat a bad team.

The right, and ONLY response if you wanted to play Wentz is "I was wrong"

1 minute ago, NickyJ said:

Who wasn't in reality? Heinicke sucked. Trying to do more of the same would get us the same results. The team made a change, turns out Wentz sucks to. That doesn't make Heinicke's play any better or even passable. It means we need a new QB to start. And there's only one untried QB left on the roster.

Same result = beating non playoff teams.

You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to argue that there is no difference between TH and CW.

TH most likely wins this game. Proof?

He was undefeated against and non playoff teams

It takes major mental gymnastics to see a guy go 2-5 and another guy go 5-3-1 with the same team and coaches and think "they are the same".

I wanted to be wrong. I wanted Wentz to show me that the people in this thread knew more.

But there can be no doubt.

We may not be great with TH. But we at least beat bad teams.

Yes the play calling sucks (and has all year)

Yes the oline sucks (and has all year)

But the team is worse when Wentz is the QB

Anyone want to remind me again what part of Wentz game was supposed to be better then TH?

I think this is the wrong move.  TH gives us the best hope to win now and even last week, TH looked Really good until the back to back turnovers (Only 1 I think is his fault).  Wentz had a great TD pass, but everything else was short dumps offs against a prevent defense giving up the short dump offs.  

BUT - I hope I am wrong and even better -I really hope this is a Doug Williams Situation.  Doug Williams is remembered as this great Redskins QB but in truth, he was 0-2 as a starter in the 87 season who came in off the bench in the last game of the season and got hot. 

Can anyone think of any other game we have ever. Played, besides the last game of the year, where we could in theory clinch, or be eliminated on the same day?

2 minutes ago, HogsVa7 said:

If we win next week and the Seahawks and Lions lose we will clinched. 

Almost. Need GB to lose tomorrow or next week as well.

While I wont miss watching a game, I stopped going to games around 2014.  The last game I went to was 2017.  Since then ive seen the Skins at Metlife (4 times), Dallas (twice) and Las Vegas.  

On Friday I was offered tickets to a loge suite and parking - so figured with the importance of the game, a suite, etc it was time to go again.

Maybe its cause TV's are so good, maybe because we lost, maybe because those other stadiums ALL offer SUCH a better game day experience, but I will never go back to FedEx field for a game again. For those that go - I salute you and am unsure how you do it!!

The Game day experience is just TERRIBILE.  Parking - I get it. I am sure if I went all the time I would know the shortcuts and tricks but took 35 mins to get in (1 hour before game) and almost a hour to get out!  The lack of mass transit (I know - there is a metro, a mile away).  the terribile flow (could not understand what the people directing traffic were doing), and lack of Uber (The guy who gave us tickets took a uber there but trying to leave he could not get a uber. They kept canceling telling him they could not get into the uber pickup) all lead to problems. I had season tickets in 97 and 98, when there were 90k going to games and traffic was BETTER then! Its actually gotten worse!

The food was terrible.  There is actually NOT enough team stores.  Even in the loge area its just so plan and boring (Been in a suite at Met Life. There is entertainment, Tons of TV's, pictures, history on the walls, etc. AND they change it out every week (Had the pleasure of going to a Jets vs skins and then a giants vs skins, both in the same suite in met life and you could hardly tell it was the same stadium.  

I will say every staff i ran into was very welcoming and wanting to help.  But its just a god awful experience. Blow this up.  

Not to picky on the lot.  Send me a PM

16 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

Sick brag by everyone who has a party to go to.  Shout out to your social life and/or your employment.

If you feel a work Xmas party is a brag, you have never been to a work holiday party. LOL

If you have a lot of fun, you are prob getting fired.  

25 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Wife and I committed to it a while ago and I'd be murdered if I didn't go.

Ive come to understand i got a problem / addiction

My Companies Xmas is Sat night. Told the wife game could be during party and she knew "Guess we might not make party"

Of course she is more pissed that her families big Xmas eve dinner will have me watching the game on my phone during the dinner.  

But its not a "Divorce fight" because she knows who she married.

I thought flex schedule only applies to times not days?

See from NFL website.

Sunday afternoon games may also be moved between 1:00 PM and 4:05 PM or 4:25 PM ET. Flexible scheduling will not be applied to games airing on Thursday, Saturday or Monday nights. 

https://www.nfl.com/schedules/flexible-scheduling-procedure

Edit- NM. I see that the NFL never actually scheduled a day for this game. Just Washington's schedule always had it on Sunday.

That sucks. Lots of people (including me) have work Xmas parties that weekend.

(I'd skip the party. But still)

8 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Every time I hear "the offense rallies around him" in reference to Heinicke, I just think in response, well yes, yes they do, because they have to, in order to win.  What the hell does that even mean outside of typical rah-rah we just won talk from a teammate?  I think fans read too much into that kind of quote.  Everyone that says McLaurin loves TH and shows emotion, did you all miss McLaurin's reaction when he caught the 60 yd TD pass from Wentz in the opener?  McLaurin showed as much if not more emotion at getting a pass thrown to him when he was wide open, that he didn't have to break stride to catch and didn't have to sacrifice his body to fight for. He looked pretty hyped up to me.     

The players are flat out telling you that TH brings out the best in them. That they are playing better with them.

You can say the fans are reading to much into this but you are ignoring what the players are saying.

This is not nothing. You see this in every aspect of life. At work some people can be doing the same exact thing but 1 is a better leader and people around them perform better.

It's not just sports. It's life. Some people are leaders and makes others around them be better. 

TH has the best Wining % of Any Washington QB not named Alex Smith in a long time.

In last two years we are 12-9 when he has started and 2-6 when he doesn't.

 He makes everyone around him play better. 

40 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Heineke should have had 2 more ints yesterday.  My preference is to play Howell and see what we have in him or go back to Wentz (after ensuring that we keep our 2nd rounder).

I'm sorry, I just don't understand this thought process at all.

The goal is to win games.  Period. End of story. Stats and everything else is secondary to winning.

We are 4-1 with  TH and. What? 9-4 over his last 14 games?

I don't care if it's because he knows the offense better, or because he takes less sacks, or because he bites the head off a chicken before evey game and does a rain dance.

We are winning and any thought to change QB who is winning games makes no sense.

Anyone else having any flash backs about who should start? The former 9th round pick who was out of football and played the world league before having some "Lucky wins" vs a former #1 pick who had a crazy good arm but seemed to never be the right solution for different teams?

We decided to go with Jeff George in that case while Brad Johnson went on to win a super bowl.  

17 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Carson dropped back almost twice as much as Heinicke, making for twice as many opportunities to be sacked. 

 

 

Carson Dropped back 92% more times and took 155% more sacks.

Or to be more exact -Every 10.8 times Wentz went back to pass he got sacked vs every 13.4 times TH goes back to pass. 

I like numbers.  

I also want to take a second and thank TH for making the games entertaining again.

Like win/lose...

They are fun to watch. Colts, Packers Eagles, even the Vikes. 

The games have been fun to watch.

The Bears game, even winning that game, was not fun to watch.

In the end, this is supposed to be entertaining. 

And the games are entertaining!

7 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

@TMK9973
 

I checked your posting history, nowhere to be found during or after the Vikings game.  You didn’t post because your takes looked turrible last week.  It’s a bad look.

Well I never post during a game (watching it). 

But thanks for being a fan!