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9 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Unfortunately, our team is the type to trade our few good players and create new holes; the type of team Philly takes advantage of. 

What would the Dolphins offense look like behind this OL? What would the Philly offense look like if 4 of their 5 starters gave up bottom 10 pressures? Would SF be having success with similar output? We have the worst OL in the league and it's not close. 

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think you might be.

 

I agree that using them too often results in defenses jumping them but… they already are. They are on to everything that we do. 
 

If we’re going to pass so much, we need to use more standard WCO concepts. Get the ball out. Use motions more. Use misdirection. Use quicker developing playaction such as flash fakes. 
 

It may not solve the scoring woes. It may not solve the yardage issues. But it should reduce the sacks taken. That’s the goal at this point. Evolve from there. 
 

I think EB is intelligent and can figure it out.

 

I’m more so frustrated with his hand in the OL than his scheme as it’s a large part why his actual system isn’t working.

Off the top of my head, we have a motion play with Samuel that we have ran about 5 plays out of including a run, a toss pass, and BRobs screen TD last week. Maybe you all are saying you want 80% motions like the Dolphins? Because we have ran them as well as shifts, but maybe you want more. If there are 15 ways to hide a bad OL, we have tried 13 of them already. Saying the last 2 are going to fix everything or make a substantial difference is not reasonable in my opinion. The fact is that our OC has to base his entire game plan around hiding the worst OL in football. EB has shown me the signs he knows how to break a defense down, but this OL has handicapped us.

5 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

The Giants gave up the least amount of points all year yesterday. 7 points on a very short field. The O lines a disaster, is the Giants OL that looked better as a unit than ours and was made of replacements better than the one we have? Our O line stinks , but EB definitely is not helping things.

I'm open to discussion, but I've yet to see anyone explain what we can do differently that we haven't already tried. Saying we haven't ran enough screens, quick crosses, short outlet routes, rollouts, etc. isn't the truth. We have ran them all and still had drives ruined by poor blocking. There's 160 starting OL in the NFL and we have 4 of the bottom 10. That's crazy.

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

You’re not seeing it for whatever reason.

 

I want to be clear: I didn’t say they weren’t in the offense. It’s the timing of using them. We should be sitting in 6/7 man protections on a routine basis. Run screens against heavy blitz teams, including jailbreaks, s-screens, y-screens, etc. 

 

Not just have them, but use them routinely.

 

Defenses are playing tight to our receivers because they know we have about 2.6 seconds MAX to get rid of the ball. So the hitches and such are harder to get out as well. 
 

We should be taking shots, too, on one step fade balls. Loosen the defense up.

 

I’m not against Bienemy schematically, to be truthful. But I am against the strategy. And I don’t absolve him from the OL disaster. He was here when we let our OL coach go. He’s been here throughout us not having one. He wanted Gates and Wylie.

 

I don’t think he’s to blame for the franchise’s malfunction. That is something he inherited. I just don’t think he’s doing all he can to circumvent it. It’s a tough ask.

Use them routinely and any NFL defense will catch on and blow it up. We ran a screen yesterday that was knocked down by a Blitzer, because if you call the same thing over and over, the defense adjusts. We have been rotating through screens, quick passes, deep shots, run game to keep the defense honest. 

I haven't defended the build of the OL because it's indefensible. I'm strictly debating the scheme. It seems people are ignoring or maybe misunderstanding what we're running on offense. I can post film of our offense running everything people are suggesting, but maybe Im misreading something. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the complaints.

Just now, samy316 said:

 

What film are you talking about?  How does EB "run circles" around Scott Turner?  I want you to specifically list and explain to us how EB runs circles around Turner.  In your "tape watching sessions", what have you seen specifically that we're missing when it comes to EB's play-calling and handling of this offense?  Except for one game and a few decent quarters, he's done nothing much to establish himself as the solution to our offensive woes but he damn sure has established reasons why he's a liability.

I'm glad you asked. EB has built in new hot routes including one where we run a quick screen and one where we run hitches against off coverage. Turner's offense was not that advanced or adaptable. EB also has our screen game humming. We haven't ran effective screens like this in a decade. Our red zone play design has also been exceptional with guys schemed wide open for easy throws and walk in TDs. Our 2-minute offense is also the best it's been in nearly a decade. At the end of the half and game, we have actually been a threat this year. We finally have rhythm play calling where we completely fake out the defense, and sometimes the announcers, by breaking tendencies. We also have used shifts and motions to reveal coverages for Sam. When I have time I will post the film to back it up.

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

No, of course you’re right. But you can certainly scheme to hide it as best as you can. The amount of 5 and 6 man protections is alarming. The lack of quick hitters is alarming and the lack of establishing a running game is alarming. 
 

Rough for sure. But remember he was here for Wylie and Gates. He wanted these guys (or at least I’d hope so because why else did we sign them?)

 

And they are two of the biggest problems.

We have quick hitters in the offense, though. We have been running #17 on quick slants the past 2 weeks. We even have a hot route for hitches when the defense is playing off coverage- something we begged for for years. We try to establish the run and our OL gets thrown into the RBs. I'm just not seeing what the group is seeing with EB. Maybe because I have been going back and watching games over.

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

I'm sure you know better than the players, the opposing players, opposing coaches who come out saying they knew what we'd do, announcers, reporters and everyone else. I bet the 15 interviewers for head coach didn't know as much as you either.

 

Not surprising a captain would intentionally mention two of three coaches.

 

You can proclaim all of those people agreeing with you out of thin air all you want, but the film doesn't lie. Are you claiming we don't do rollouts, we don't scheme quick crosses, use motions and shifts, use slants, have hot routes, or use screens? EB has added every element you use to hide a bad OL. The film will either agree or disagree.

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

You can run more quick passes. Slants, screens etc. You can run more plays under center instead of from shotgun. 

 

The OL is bad talent wise but it shouldn't be historically bad like they are right now. Its a combination of factors.

This is what's silly to me. We are running these plays. I will just start posting the film because this is silly to see people keep saying this.

When 4 out of 5 of your starting OL are in the bottom 10 in the entire league of win percentage, with 3 of 5 in the bottom 5, there isn't a magical offense that somehow completely hides that. 

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

Right. That's why every announcer, twitter talking head, board member couldn't understand why EB wouldn't put his hubris aside yesterday and change the play calling.

 

Or how you can be so unprepared to play a division rival and completely ignore his tendencies. 

 

Turner was bad, but he was prepared and made adjustments. This offense looks completely lost and the players look unprepared.

I'll just post the film. I've re-watched every game multiple times. 

16 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Can you please stop acting like my dislike of EB is personal. I thought he was a terrible hire and he's been a terrible play caller.

 

That's it.

 

I'm also not making a case for Turner being some genius OC. He was just better than EB by a mile.

 

Yesterdays game, how do you continue to try and force these slow developing plays that get your QB killed?

 

Everyone but EB knows that Wink is going to blitz and do it often. Still, 5 man protections until the 4rth quarter. 

 

It's idiotic play calling.

10 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

These posts are funny but I wholeheartedly disagree. The things people are calling for our offense to do, we have done. I understand the nature of our fans but film study doesn't back the EB attacks. Claiming Turner was better than EB confirms that this is typical extremism and shock jock ES banter for me. EB runs circles around Turner. 

Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Bad game from Sam.  But bad play calling, bad O line play was part of the story.  As Keim has said a few times recently, if you know you are building around a young Qb who holds on to the ball then give him a good O line.

 

 

 

We will be rubbing their nose in the OL mistake all season until they are let go. There is nothing that can save them for that mistake at this point. This group will be a reminder to the team that once spearheaded OL appreciation that OL better be a priority in your team building. The next regime cannot make the same mistake with our OL. 

5 minutes ago, Chris 44 said:

I think that OL line coaching hasn't been talked about near enough. As bad as the individual parts of this line are coaching is just as bad.

Stunts and blitzes have our OL falling over one another. Gates all but turned around to tackle Robinson himself.

3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Tempo might be the one trick we haven't relied on enough. Tiring out the pass rush might cut it down to 4.5 sacks a game.

It's tough to grade Sam because of our OL situation. He is getting beat up. He looked rattled today. This wasn't his best game. 

Rebuild the Hogs is trending

Just now, Captain Wiggles said:

 

Not waiting until halftime to make those adjustments perhaps?  🤷‍♂️

We ran those plays in the first half + a hot route screen to McClaurin in the first half. EB has ran all of these. The OL is that bad. 

6 minutes ago, skins island connection said:

 Nah, there's a number of things that can be done to alleviate QB pressure, but the HC and OC just don't get it; they're coaching as if they have 50 all-pros on the team.

We ran rollout passes, quick crossers, and screens. What else do you do to contend with a bum OL?

Nick Gates is our Center

2 minutes ago, stoshuaj said:

Lord I hope not the current culture 

This is new era in Washington.

Wylie is not the second best Tackle on this team

Rodriguez fits the culture 

Did the DB look for the ball?

EB schemed the easy throw to Dotson on 2nd down. Howell has to take it.

Give me OL picks 1st and 2nd round. A LT and a LG. Stromberg at Center. Leno and Lucas battle for RT and swing backup spots. This offense looks completely different removing the number 1 and 2 pressure allowed aka lost reps in the league, and the worst Center in the league. We need to draft OL with our top 2 picks most likely. FA is hit and miss with a lot more dollars committed.