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Just now, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Weren't you the poster who claimed Dwayne Haskins would be a top 10 QB?  We even had a bet. Now you are claiming that players who averaged 7 sacks a season are premium players. 

 

Sorry your opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight with me.  .  

I almost typed out my resume but no need. I know football very well and rooting for Haskins to succeed doesn't invalidate that. Nor does it change the fact Washington is a league chump who still get taken advantage of by organizations that know football. SF thanks you for not valuing your players. Washington will definitely not be better from these trades. You didn't even get extra picks like Giants got for Williams. 

15 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

These 2 were not "premium pieces", they were pretty good and nothing more. The only time to trade them was now, if they waited until after the season they were not under contract.  Montez never had more than 9 sacks in a season and averaged 7.25.  Chase has 14 sacks in 34 games.  These are not premium players, they are actually very replaceable with far cheaper players, but they will be paid like they are premium players.  We should be thankful that our team will not be the one to overpay and have too much invested in a DL that has never been great.  

Typical Washington fan response, devalue players, but no one in the NFL world agrees. SF just ripped you off. This is why Washington will always be losers trying to convince themselves they are making good decisions. I thought you can't invest too much in DL, but SF and Philly both continue to? And now you have a hole on both edges- a premium position. Instead of attacking weaknesses we attack strengths. Saying your DL wasnt a strength is disingenuous. Washington is a joke franchise.

Somehow Washington believes devaluing their own good players and creating new holes on the roster is rebuilding. Even the Madden video game would have gotten better value for their players. Trading away premiere pieces without a GM in place tells me all I need to know about Harris. Washington is still the chump of the NFL. Fans saying Washington invested too much in the DL while the top 2 teams in the NFC continue investing in their DL in our faces is peak cluelessness. Why fix weaknesses when you can "fix" strengths? If you don't win games, blame the strength of your team for not compensating. Creating more weaknesses on your roster is rebuilding! Even though that's exactly how the Washington OL fell apart, they should do it again with the DL! Do I have it right? Washington has zero idea how to rebuild correctly and this is just another embarrassing example. Worst organization in football. 

Hurray! We love getting ripped off by the 49ers! Draft mocks!

4 hours ago, samy316 said:

 

Yesterday showed you the difference between players who just racks up stats, and an impact player who shows up in the clutch in addition to racking up stats.  Hasson Reddick and the Eagles D-Line were about as impactful as the Washington D-Line yesterday, but when the Eagles needed a clutch play from one of their players late, Reddick came up with the strip sack and fumble of Howell, while our "highly touted" 1st round picks on the D-Line have failed time and time again to make impact swinging plays.  Payne's strip fumble on Barkley last week might have been the only impactful play the D-Line has made all season in the 4th Q.  Sweat & Young rack up a LOT of nice looking stats, but none have had an impactful, clutch play this season, or in a long time.  Fletcher Cox and Hasson Reddick make big time clutch plays all the time.  I know who I'd rather have with the game on the line.

You didn't see sacks from our DL. Did you see one of the top running teams gashing us? Did you see Hurts running on us like he does the rest of the league? Instead of valuing the other team, look at what our players did and build on it. Our secondary is still in shambles and our LBs were always weak. Upgrade there and keep team strength and identity markers. Our fans don't generally comprehend player development, but the plays you are asking our edge rushers to make, they will make in the coming years. We should have learned from Allen and Payne's development how our DL grow in contract 2.

5 hours ago, method man said:

You don’t need two guys of that caliber to win in the NFL especially when you have the interior guys we have. Last season showed that

What caliber of guy are you putting as a starting edge rusher in today's NFL? That is not a position you treat lightly. A weak edge is attacked all day in today's offenses.

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

The true difference makers put up numbers in the biggest games, the big moments, to actually impact winning games.

 

Its like in baseball. I don't care if a guy hits .300 doing nothing but hitting singles with 2 outs and nobody on base. Or a guy who hits solo home runs when his team is down 6-0. The guys you want get the big hits with runners in scoring position, etc.

 

Chase Young will get you two sacks in a game we're down by 20. But a guy like Myles Garrett or TJ Watt will get a strip sack in the 4th quarter to turn a game around or seal a win.

 

Its all about situational context.

Yep exactly. You also have to look at overall impact on the game. I don't care if you get a random sack in the 2nd quarter. Go get the QB when its the 4th quarter and you're defending a lead. Get a strip sack to turn the momentum around. That kind of thing.

Chase is 24 and on the verge of reaching that next level. Him making the 2 sack games now shouldn't be diminished or made his ceiling at 24 as an edge rusher. Talent like Sweat or Young, edge rushers, require significant assets to replace. FA big money or a 1st round pick usually.

1 minute ago, MartinC said:

If someone offers us a semi decent deal for either Sweat or Young - take it. 

You could also keep them, draft an OL, sign a legit LB, and bring in new Coaches with as many good players as possible.

Communication in the secondary issues as usual. Who is their Coach? 

When were we ever this deadly in the red zone under Scott Turner? 

#1 is winning his match-up a lot today 

The ball doesn't lie

2 minutes ago, Conn said:

It’s that and the play calling. I know you argued we’ve already been doing all of these things but you have to admit the screen game, running game, and short passing game (as well as short outlets on plays with deeper options) have been ramped up noticeably today. Which is what we’ve been calling for 

Larsen vs Gates is the biggest difference I'm seeing but the play calling is also better.

Subbing out Gates and Charles has given our offense a chance to be competent 

The 2 minute drill this year has been effective like it or not

2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

The DL is non existent today

We always play Philly to stop the run and contain Hurts in the pocket 

Gotta have a QB sneak check in that situation 

Larson is the unsung hero today 

That is beautiful red zone play design 

10 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

I kind of feel like its the opposite??

 

EB seems to ignore our OL woes and blindly calls play after play with his head down expecting the OL to hold up on the next 7 step drop en route to calling 68% pass plays. Do we ever see a simple hot completed, or even attempted? Lots of screens? Jets or outside zone runs vs running into the teeth of the D?  THAT would be scheming around the OLs obvious issues IMO. We did see him add an extra OL last week - thats clear scheming around OL failures. Max Protect - get extra TEs in there over Dyami that can leak out when they whiff.

 

Almost begrudgingly do we see EB finally adjust in the 2nd half. In his defense, JDR takes months to adjust.

 

I am no expert but dammit I may need to get All 22 and start tracking these routes myself. I want heat maps of routes. Only 70 plays a week it cannot be hard at all. Mind boggling how it took so long for analytics to even become a thing. I remain convinced the Manders largely ignore valuable data out there. Ron certainly doesnt. EB had no idea of Sams ramSacked record totals. /rant

I have noticed a few hot routes. A quick screen to #17 and a quick hitch to #4 among others. I haven't noticed hot routes to #1. 

I think as fans we oversimplify the idea of scheming around the OL when 4 out 5 of our OL are in the bottom 10 of all 160 starting OL across the league.

6 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

But that's bit ridiculous of a metric to measure those trades.  The Panthers didn't trade McCaffrey to be better this year.  They traded him to be better in 5 years.

 

Every player should e expendable for reasonable value.

 

If in 5 years, the Panthers have won a superbowl and the 49ers haven't, then that'll be different.

Treylon Burks, I think that's the guy Tennesse drafted with the AJ Brown pick, will never be a net gain for the Titans. McCaffrey, who is breaking scoring records, will always be more valuable than the mid round picks who may or may not even be impact players. 

It only works in scenarios like Seattle with Wilson or Detroit with Stafford. They got enough assets where the net gain was worthwhile. But Detroit still does things like trade Swift for a 4th and then use a 1st for his replacement. That's bad management in my opinion, but some may have liked those moves. Trading top talent for middle of the draft picks is a loss.

3 minutes ago, Conn said:

You’re forgetting Miami in the success column. 

You're right, and they fit my caveat of selling high. They didn't trade their top guys for pennies like we suggest.

6 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

I know I know dont bother telling me Jahan's just in a funk e.g. his fault.

 

Our route tree is limted by the OL. I hate to scapegoat them for so much but it's true. We have to scheme everything around our OL and if we try anything that takes time to develop, our WRs will be covered because our QB is sacked in 2 seconds.

8 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Yes. However, the comp pick is a possibility and letting either of them go for under that would be poor strategy, imo. You either get a good return or you keep them and hope Rivera didn’t bungle this bad enough to somehow lose both.

I think the asset management part here is key. Had we signed Sweat… or exercised Chase’s fifth year option we’d be in an entirely different place. But now we’re looking at both guys hitting FA. We can make one stay, but the other can choose to leave. And let’s be honest, unless we way overshoot the market value, why stay here? 
 

Rivera and his FO have bungled our assets since they got here. This is my concern. The leaving for nothing route. 

You are absolutely right, and if that happens, I'll be eating crow saying you guys were right. I'm just going with my gut and admittedly I may be wrong.

Part of my thinking comes from when I looked up our upcoming cap space, and I can't figure out where we are going to be spending all that money elsewhere; unless we are going back to big money FAs. I'm not saying reset the market, but if we can keep the #93 #17 and #94 trend of well paid, but not market setting, extentions, why not?

10 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

How did those teams get abused?

 

Where to you think Tennesse would be with Brown?

 

Where would Carolina be McCaffrey?

 

Saying they were abused suggest that they'd be in a substantially better position with those players compared to not having them.

 

We know where we are with Chase Young, and it isn't good and not nearly close to winning a championship.  You can't be abused for giving up a player that doesn't put you in a position to beat the likes of the Bears and Giants.

They got abused because their teams are worse. Yes, the Titans are better with AJ Brown still there. The Panthers offense is better with McCaffrey still there. 

Your math, saying that losing to the Bears means every player is to blame and therefor expendable, is the definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face. We are bad so let's devalue and throw away the few good things we have? I know I'm going to catch hell but I simply disagree.

4 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You can’t trade him for a 4th. A comp pick would be higher. That’s an even worse bungling of resources.

 

I don’t really count Trent. Bruce ruined that relationship. 

Fair enough on the Trent point. I'm admittedly jaded by it.

IF we do let any of the few talented players we have go, it needs to be for great compensation. Otherwise, I'm in the minority of continuing to pay our home grown talent. 

I'm aware of the opposing views, such as yours, of asset management and spending too much on the DL. I respect the thinking. I understand the thinking. I just don't agree, in our current case, because those are the few pieces we have to build around.

The Eagles have invested even more into their DL, but they also had the sense to do the same for their OL. We need to do the same, build an OL to compliment the DL we have, instead of cutting our nose off to spite our face; what I consider fire sale teams to be doing. 

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

When has our team traded anything of note player wise? 
 

Champ Bailey?

 

Our team is the type who does a terrible job managing assets and refuses to trade or make trades for guys to improve the roster long term. Has been for a long time. 
 

Maybe I blocked it out of my head, but other than Champ I can’t remember a meaningful trade…

Trent Williams for a 3rd round pick.

The fire sale teams are suckers. The winners of these trades are the teams stealing valuable assets. San Fran not only got us, they worked over Carolina for McCaffrey. The Eagles have abused the Titans with Brown and now Byard.

The only recent teams who have had success with these fire sales have sold high. The Lions and the Seahawks. Our team sells low. We had people proposing Chase Young for a 4th round pick just weeks ago. We are big time losers in those scenarios.