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    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

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    Justice Jackson throwing down logic...

     

    J: "So for private acts, no immunity. For official acts, there's immunity. So the line drawing problem we're having with the hypotheticals is being necessitated by that assumption. If official acts didn't get absolute immunity, we wouldn't have to worry about drawing the line.

     

    So we're assuming official acts get immunity. Why is it that POTUS would not be required to follow the law when he's performing his official act? We know POTUS has the best lawyers in the world, and when he's making a decision he can consult with them to know if its illegal. So how can we say a POTUS can just do any official act and be immune? What is it about POTUS as opposed to other people with consequential jobs - what about POTUS means he doesn't have to follow the law where other officials do?"

     

    Sauer: "Well Fitzgerald..."

     

    J: "That was civil. Private civil liability. We can see how POTUS is different. But about criminal liability, how does POTUS stand in any different position to follow the law if everyone else has to?"

     

    Sauer: "All the checks: public oversight, impeachment, congressional oversight..."

     

    J: "I'm not sure that's much of a backstop. You're worried about POTUS being chilled. I'm worried about the opposite effect. Knowing there'd be no penalty for committing crime, what would stop turning the oval office into the seat of crime in the country? If the potential for criminal liability were taken off the table, wouldn't that embolden future presidents to commit crimes? Once we say "no criminal liability", I'm worried we have a worse problem than any "chill".

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    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

    in The Tailgate

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    Alright, slightly juicy stuff lol...

     

     

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    "Prosecution asks Pecker is he knows who Dino Sajudin is. He was the doorman at Trump's penthouse and Dino claimed that "Trump fathered an illegitimate child with his housekeeper." To me, that's Dino the Doorman."

     

    "Pecker immediately calls Cohen and gives him Dino's name and the name of the housekeeper. Cohen says it's absolutely not true, but I'll check it out."

     

    "Cohen calls Pecker back. Cohen says that Dino and the housekeeper were on the payroll. He asks Pecker to check out the story. Cohen later advised that he had discussed the story with Trump."

     

    "Pecker asked Dylan Howard to please verify if the story was true or not."

     

    "Pecker says he spoke about the payoff of Sajudin with Michael Cohen, who asked: "Who's going to pay for it?" "I'll pay for it," Pecker recalls him saying. "He said, 'The boss will be very pleased,'" a remark Pecker sees he understood to be "Donald Trump." I called Cohen and I told him that we have to go forward with the story. Cohen asked "how much?" Dylan negotiated a price of $30K with Dino. Cohen then asked: "Who's going to pay for it? Pecker said I'll pay for it. Cohen said: "Thank you very much, the Boss will be pleased."

     

    "Cohen said that Trump offered to take a DNA test. But Pecker said that wouldn't be necessary. Pecker said he would have held the story until after the election in November. He and Cohen agreed to this arrangement. All convos were directly with Cohen."

     

    2 minutes ago, @DCGoldPants said:

     

    I agree with your line of thinking here. I was just saying what the defense will in part use.

     

     

    Ohhhhhh....gotcha. 👍

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    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

    in The Tailgate

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    Just now, @DCGoldPants said:

     

    We already know that his lawyers and he will say that what they did here isn't illegal and just part of politics and business. 

     

     

    I don't think that's the point...

     

    I think what they are doing is strongly establishing Trump's apparatus for dealing with issues that hurt his campaign and that Cohen was an important and vital part of that apparatus. It disintegrates the argument that Trump simply paid Cohen for legal services, and sets the foundation for all the claims the prosecution made in their opening arguments. It also helps set up Cohen's testimony as being truthful, and for someone like him corroboration of the evidence he provides is absolutely vital.

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    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

    in The Tailgate

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    Pt. 3, mostly about National Inquirer headlines and stories printed at Trump's request:

     

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    "Prosecutor: What did you understand to be the relation between Michael Cohen and the campaign?

    "Trump's lawyer: Objection! Justice Merchan: Overruled."

    "Pecker: Cohen was physically there in Trump Tower, the campaign office."

    "Prosecutor: I introduce these articles" 

     

    "Prosecutor: I show you these: "Bungling Surgeon Ben Carson Left Sponge in Patient's Brain!" "Ted Cruz Shamed by Porn Start" Did you run this in the National Enquirer?"

    "Pecker: Oh Yes. We would sent the PDFs to Michael Cohen, pre-publication"

     

    "(Another) headline: "Ted Cruz Sex Scandal - 5 Secret Mistresses! The romps that are rocking his presidential campaign!"

     

    "More Enquirer headlines, now slamming Marco Rubio. "SHADY LADY WHO COULD RUIN MARCO RUBIO!" Rubio was rising in the polls at the time, the prosecutor notes."

     

    "Pecker: "After the republican debates and based on the success that some of the other candidates had, I would receive a call from Michael Cohen, and he would direct me and direct Dylan Howard which candidate and which direction we should go.” 

     

    "Prosecutor: Did Steve Bannon ever pitch articles to you?"

    "Trump's lawyer: Objection? Justice Merchan: Overruled"

    "Prosecutor: Did Steve Bannon ever ask you to run any article?"

    "Trump's lawyer: Objection, may I be heard at the sidebar [Whispered sidebar ensues, then:] "

    "Justice Merchan: Jurors we're going to have to discuss this, you may step out. [Jurors leave] "

     

     

    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

    in The Tailgate

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    Here we go, pt. 2:

     

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    "Trying to pierce Pecker's claim that the arrangement was mutually beneficial, ADA Steinglass notes that catch-and-kill of the alleged affairs didn't benefit AMI's magazines.

     

    "Q: The purpose of that component was to benefit the campaign? Pecker agrees."

     

    "Pecker: It was of the utmost importance that this had to be kept quiet. Leaks in our organization are prevalent. And I didn't want anyone else to know about this agreement with Trump."

     

     

    Pecker inspects another exhibit: Enquirer headlines trashing Trump's rivals. "My conversations with Michael Cohen, and Michael Cohen would call me and say, 'We would like for you to write a negative article on [...] let's say, for the sake of argument, Ted Cruz...or Ben Carson, and we would embellish it from there." He clarifies that, "we," here, is the National Enquirer." 

     

     

    Trump on Trial (Trump indicted for a fourth time in Georgia. Expands his record of most indictments by a former president)

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    Here we go...

     

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    "Pecker delivers blockbuster account of Trump Tower meeting with Trump and Cohen: Trump “asked me what can I do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign." Pecker said he could "publish positive stories about Trump" and "negative stories about his opponents." 

     

    "Pecker: I would run and publish positive stories about Mr. Trump and I would publish negative stories about his opponents. Pecker told Trump: I will be the eyes and ears for you bc I know that [theTrump Org.] had a very small staff. I said that anything I hear in the marketplace, if I hear anything negative about you, I would notify Michael Cohen as I did over the last several years. And Cohen would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not be published or they'd have to purchased."

     

    "Pecker: "I was the person who thought that a lot of women would come out to try to sell their stories because Mr. Trump was well known as the most eligible bachelor. And dated the most beautiful women. And it was clear that based on my past experience that when someone was running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up magazine like the National Enquirer to try to sell their stories.” 

     

    "So far, Pecker's testimony aligns snugly with what prosecutors promised the evidence would show during opening statements."

     

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