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Last year, I said they would win 3-5 games and they won 4.  This year, I was going to say 5 but I chose 6 in the poll.  How they play from week to week will be as important as their win/loss record.  I wouldn't be upset if they managed to win 8 games but I can't even imagine that right now.  They could be competitive in 2025 if Jayden progresses and they get their franchise LT in next year's draft while also filling more needs.

This could be a real turn of events.  To go from being abused by TEs for years without a TE of their own to suddenly having a TE that can actually threaten the other team.  What a novel idea.🙂

10 hours ago, SpacePenguin said:

 

I get where you're coming from, but it's much to early to be certain that this is "an organization worth rooting for". Compared to the previous owner/front office, sure....but after so many seasons of ****.... I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Drafting a Slenderman running QB with the 2nd overall pick is about the worst thing that a new Front office could do, in my opinion.

 

The fluff about his work ethic and loving football is the same exact **** that the media spewed about bobart 3.

 

The OL is still pretty ****, and the defense is gutted.

 

I don't think the roster is league worst, but it's gotta be bottom third. Definitely a couple of seasons away from being competitive, thanks to Ron.

 

May as well hope for the best, but this feels real familiar. I really wish they'd kept Howell. Marcus Mariota is gonna be really dull to watch after Jayden has his leg broken in week 4.

 

I'm envious of your optimism. Truly hope that it pays off.

Snyder turned a once proud organization and team into a laughing stock and an organization that many hated.  As soon as his nightmare tenure ended it was like a very dark cloud had lifted.  There's been a return to normalcy that I can't take for granted, because it's been 20+ years in the making.  We appear to now have excellent ownership, front office personnel, and coaches.  We'll see about the product on the field over the next few years, but there are multiple reasons to be optimistic about the teams future whether the right QB was drafted or not.

But wouldn't it be fun if Jayden Daniels turns out to be that dude?  I truly love where the organization and team are at now compared to where each was last year.

7 hours ago, lavar1156 said:

 

Funny you mentioned that. I literally thought of Joe Flacco and his Joe Cool nickname when i was trying to think of a comparison.

In the 80s, Joe Cool referred to Joe Montana.  You know...the guy who won four super bowls for the 49ers.😉

4 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

But the people getting paid to do the same in Philly do like him that much. So, it's okay to assume that they are wrong?

 

The logic of the the whole "you have no right to an opinion" chorus.

You absolutely have a right to your opinion and I will defend your right to the death.  But, respectfully, I also have a right to mine.

9 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Love our picks today so far.
 

Sorry, I trust Peters, Quinn and Joe Whit when it comes to DBs much more than I trust ES. 

Washington obviously doesn't hold DeJean as high as people here do.  I will trust those who are getting paid to make these decisions.

I predict that the next OT drafted will be by Washington.

You definitely want people that you strongly believe will be a good to great NFL player, but I was not expecting that person to be a DT.

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Every single year people lament who the other teams in the division get.

 

And just about every year they embarrass us and prove us right for lamenting the pick.

 

Sigh. 

Only when they play Washington.

6 minutes ago, MrJL said:

most people expected him to go 7 to the Titans

 

 

The Titans may still take an OT.

Definitely a Harbaugh pick and a great pick.

Yes!!!!!🤩🤩🤩

41 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 Anyway. Im in a loving mood so I wanted yall to know I think very highly of most of you and you should be proud of yourselves even if we dont always agree. This **** is not easy to do and we do it well imo. 

 

 

This right here.☺️

4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I bring it up because I recall your post was deep and layered as to his issues.  And it wasn't just his footwork with you.

 

There is enough smoke out there, that at a minimum this FO concerns with Maye run deeper than the other 2.   Whether they are right or wrong, will see. 

What I can't get out of my head about Maye is Kurt Warner (and others) talking about Maye's tendency to miss what Warner called "layups."  You can't miss the easy throws in the NFL.  Especially on third down.  I also can't get out of my head Maye playing poorly against inferior teams...in the ACC.

6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Not me but I am not ruling Maye out.

 

If I put $100 on this right now.  I'd go $60 on Daniels.  $20 on Maye.  $18 on McCarthy.  $2 on McConkey.

$2 on McConkey because you anticipate a trade down into the bottom of the first round?🙂 Extremeskins would go apoplectic.😄

I am not confident in Jayden, Drake, or JJ.  For whatever reason, my heart wants Jayden over Maye and JJ.  Again, I don't like any of them.  Jayden is simply the lesser of three evils.

Whoever they pick will leave me feeling "meh."  But I hope he makes a complete fool of me by becoming a franchise-changing QB.

Added:  I think they will take Jayden.  OTOH, I would not be upset at all with a trade down for multiple high picks while still selecting a QB in the first round.

12 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

This is a consequence of a loss in perspective.  All prospects carry risk, and their career outcomes will depend on staying healthy and ending up in good situations where their teams do the work of building a proper QB nursery.  But Williams and Maye are two of the best QB prospects that have come out in the last ten years.  They are good bets that any team who needs a QB should be thrilled to have access to.  Both of them are better prospects than Young and Stroud were. Far better than Richardson and anyone from 2022.  Way better than Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones were, and better than Tua and Herbert.  They are of the same caliber as prospects that Lawrence and Burrow were.  We are lucky to be drafting second in a two blue chip prospect class, in a year when we are QB shopping for a new regime.  It's an alignment of the stars scenario where genuine long term turnarounds can take place.

 

The problem for me is we might blow it and take a significantly inferior prospect in Daniels instead of Maye.  You'd think that the franchise which already went through the RGIII experience once wouldn't leap to do it again, but I don't have any confidence that we won't.  Making that kind of mistake after being gifted such a golden opportunity with Maye would make it feel like we deserve to stay in the gutter.

Respectfully, there is no loss of perspective.  I am only going by what I am hearing from posters of Extremeskins and the rest of the football universe outside of Extremeskins.  The majority of comments have been very negative against one or the other.  Very few have described them as 2a and 2b with both as elite prospects.

Time will tell if both, neither, or one is elite.  All I'm saying is that my confidence in either being elite is low.  I would love nothing more than for both to end up being franchise QBs for themselves and their families.

9 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

 

Haha sort of?  I think for me it is just that with everything I have seen from this franchise (and others) as far as trying to find a franchise QB it makes me not even want to consider the idea that we have one here until they hit their third season because I have seen plenty of short-term success in the past that hasn't ended up being anything over the long term.  I think the modern NFL more than any other era is better suited for young QB's to come in and have success early, not necessarily by shouldering the offense themselves, but the rules, the way the game is played, the types of offense, and GM's building rosters around them early in their careers.  I think we are going to see a lot of young QBs have a certain level of success early for  a lot of reasons and they will be crowned by the media and their fanbases, but then their development will stagnate and most will fall back to the pack or worse over course of the following few seasons.  I just hope we pick the right QB. 

The fact of the matter is there may not be a right QB to pick.  As a Washington fan suffering from severe PTSD after watching 30 years of futility, would it surprise anyone if the top six QBs in the draft end up being busts or JAGs?  Odds are one or two could end up as franchise QBs and it could be none of the top three.  Unless one can see into the future, no one truly knows enough to bet all they possess on it.  

My confidence in any of the top three being a franchise QB has generally been shattered.  Just roll the dice and let's see what happens.

7 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

Trade for pick 199 and take a QB. That pick clearly has the lead in SB wins!

 

BTW, Brady ran a 5.25 40. GOAT. Also he sat a year too.

"Hindsight is 20/20" may be the greatest quote in human history.

1 minute ago, Conn said:

Why is the base assumption that you shouldn’t have doubts about a prospect even if they’re good? Every player has a chance to bust. QB’s all have a high chance to bust.

 

There is no such thing as a “sure thing”, especially at QB. If that’s what you’re looking for you’re just gonna stress yourself out. 

You're putting words in my mouth.  Nobody's looking for a "sure thing."  OTOH, anyone who has read the thread today will come away believing that Daniels is not that guy.  And you know what?  They may be right.  Minus the hyperbole, they are making a lot of sense.  So I don't want Washington to draft him.  

How could I not have doubts about Daniels after reading some of these last several posts?  Really.  How?

11 minutes ago, Conn said:

You aren’t “wrong”, you’ve just lost perspective. Not a rare thing. It means you need to zoom out, mentally speaking, and reassert yourself in reality before diving back into the mostly made-up minutia of the 24/7 NFL draft cycle.

Honestly, the doubt comes when I come to this specific thread in Extremeskins.  But I need to hear what the people "here" think, because what they say is well thought out so it matters.  Unfortunately, there is a bias that folks have about their preference of these two QBs that comes out in some of the posters.  These folks are very knowledgeable and are great debaters who make their points with conviction. 

The negative I'm hearing is not hyperbole.  A lot of what's being said is facts, so I'm left shook up.  But another poster said to trust that the coaches can and will correct their deficiencies.  So I will.

18 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

You're on a football message board with one group of people debating with another that their guy is the guy. Of course you're going to see more negatives in that situation. 

Of course.  The talking heads generally talk about what makes one better than the other.  But fan message boards tend to talk about what makes the other guy worse.  Honestly, they have me shook.🙂

2 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

No, they aren't. That's just a perception based on what you're reading here and other places at this point in the draft process and as a team that will be picking a QB at #2. There's always going to be more scrutiny about negatives in that situation. All of these top guys have massive positives, but the negatives will always be focused on in this specific circumstance. 

 

This is a top notch QB class. Any of the top 3 would almost certainly be the #1 overall pick in most drafts.

I didn't say that's the reality.  I'm saying all people tend to talk about are their negatives.  I'd rather hear more things "for" a particular QB instead of more things "against" the other QB.  As a fan, I want to "believe" that we are choosing between great and greater.  But that's not the vibe I'm getting.  

12 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Nobody is arguing otherwise. But by that logic you should never draft a QB because there is always a chance they can bust.

 

Just like...every single other position.

Of course, they have to draft a QB.  All I'm saying is their negatives are outweighing their positives, so my optimism that Washington will draft that dude is low because that dude may not even be available.  And we won't know that until some time in the future long after they made their pick.  But all this intense negativity about Maye and Daniels erodes confidence.  Well...erodes "my" confidence.