method man

5 hours ago, mh86 said:

You basically said everything I was going to say. I like how Harris even chimed in on the howie part and said something along the lines of “just tell him no, he will say yes”. 
 

overall, a really great watch. Starting with the retiring of a jersey and talking about what it means to play for the team and the area, while leading into the new generation/rookies and staff.

People **** about owner interference but that is the value of having an elite deal guy like Harris in the room - it’s nice having a guy like him to read the other side.

3 hours ago, ntotoro said:

 

Or the on-field performance...

He was having a solid season before we traded him. 5 sacks in 7 games with a high pressure rate. Yes he was undisciplined and inconsistent as a run defender but, with his pedigree, a fully healthy CY gets you a 2nd

45 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

The offers for Chase were influenced by more than just the knee.

I guess it was the neck too. If it weren’t for the physical condition, I strongly feel we would’ve gotten a 2nd despite the pot use

2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I agree. Sweat's a damn good player that underachieved here because of terrible coaching and organizational culture, but you simply can not pass up a high 2nd round pick for a guy who is gonna be a FA.

 

Value wise, we spent two 2nds on Sweat essentially, got five years of mostly quality play out of him, and then managed to salvage one of those 2nds back. For as bad as the Rivera regime was at asset maximization and playing the value game, they actually did quite well here. Although I'm gonna give more credit to Josh Harris and possibly Eugene Shen as well being the analytics guy.

Yep the trade was key not only ton salvaging value but also making this job more attractive to Peters by giving him another top 40 pick to work with. I think I’d rather have Sweat + the SEA 3rd vs Sainristil and Sinnott but something is definitely better than nothing

It’s too bad Chase has a knee that is in the condition it is in. If it weren’t for that, I think we could’ve gotten the CHI 2nd for him and have kept Sweat or gotten the ATL 2nd and a Day 3 pick for Sweat

On 6/7/2024 at 12:46 PM, Conn said:

I agree that I’d like to pull a Howie Roseman and resign Cosmi now. 
 

The Sweat situation was different because that was a dead duck regime who couldn’t allocate huge amounts of future cap, but also couldn’t have their authority stepped on by Harris or his advisors because Harris was very deliberately making a point to all GM and HC candidates out there that he wouldn’t interfere in his NFL team operations, same as his other sports. So that contract was basically never getting done here, but they knew their only tiny chance to maybe get a shot to keep their jobs was to go all-in with the future retool effort by trading the assets they’d already fumbled for 3-4 years (Sweat & Young). Harris didn’t force them to but they knew they basically had to. JDR in particular wasn’t happy about it down the stretch but he had no decision-making power. But you can tell it was a Rivera-trying-to-appease-Harris-but-not-strong-armed-into-it move bc otherwise Rivera would have leaked to Mike Silver that Harris was taking away their chance to win to make himself look good. Instead he wanted to appear to be a team player, but nothing could save him. 

 

Anyways, the contract Sweat eventually signed was larger than it “needed” to be though because the Bears had given up all leverage trading for him, they HAD to extend him or just lose the draft pick for 7 games of production or whatever in a mediocre non-playoff season. Sweat’s agent feasted on them. He’s very good, he’s not elite. 

It’d be interesting to get the inside baseball on what Sweat was asking for during camp last year. In retrospect, he was hamstrung by the lack of creativity in the defensive scheme here. He had however proven scheme versatility as he was effective as a stand up pass rusher pre Ron and as a hand in the ground end during the Ron era.

I think up to a $20M AAV would’ve been fine at the time. He had proven he was a 8-9 sack season a player over a full season who could provide you with great run defense. He also proved in 2022 that he could be your primary end if needed for a top 10 defense

Finding the high caliber EDGE is likely going to be as difficult for us as finding the high caliber LT. We’ll probably have to draft high or trade for this player- the Texans really lucked out that Hunter was able to hit FA unencumbered by a franchise tag

42 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Not surprising. He’s been a very good starting caliber man CB for a while. He’s been underrated 

1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Would love to lock Cosmi up long term now but I think he's betting on himself to have a Pro Bowl/All Pro type season and then REALLY break the bank.

I bet it is the staff has to “get to know him” BS. Same approach they took with Sweat last year, which resulted in his value exploding during the actual season.

Give Cosmi Jonah Jackson money now

On 6/3/2024 at 4:48 PM, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

Cooley as a prospect was an old school TE with old school mass. He came out back when they were usually supposed to be beefier.

 

He weighed what, 265lbs coming out? He lost like 20lbs over his playing career but the expectations of the position have changed a lot.

He recently mentioned on a pod that his agent gave him bad advice to put as much weight as possible for the combine and that included a ton of water weight he pissed out. 

3 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

From what I've read, I don't think Quinn is the Gregg Williams type who does lots of exotic blitzes and sends guys from everywhere. With Dallas he rarely brought more than 4 or 5. What he most often utilized more than anything was chaos with the guys he did have up front in lots of creative stunting. Though obviously it does help when you have a guy like Parsons on your team, so who knows.

It’s going to have to be different given no difference maker in the EDGE group

13 minutes ago, mistertim said:

Is Sainristil the right guy to be a corner blitzer though? The dude is 5'9 182lbs. I realize he had 3 sacks in college, but how will he fare when going against a 5'11 220lb NFL RB who's job is to pick up blitzers on passing downs? Maybe if it's an overload blitz and he gets a free run at the QB?

A lot of pro backs suck at pass pro. It's one of those secondary skills you don't have to be good at as a first/second down back if you are great in other areas.

39 minutes ago, ANONYMOUS SOURCE. said:

Shawn Springs under Gregg Williams was the last time I remember that happening with any regularity 

From memory, I believe he led the team in sacks his first year here. I remember being pissed he didn't make the Pro Bowl

4 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Wonder if the former banned poster who works there has been let go?

Wasnt Cooleyfan the stadium janitor or something?

10 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

I think every young player who was here in 22 didn't improve or got worse in 23 except for Cosmi. Doubt Cosmi spent much time with Malcolm lol

19 hours ago, TheShredder said:

I wouldn't discount the concern about both feet having Jones Fractures, however that's not bad if you think about it. 

He got those fractures from pushing guys into the ground with great force...that's what you want. He's a beast! 

We also know he heals from this surgery in 4 months because he just did it. 

I don't think it's a IR thing.  Maybe a PUP List thing possibly but from recent history we know he can be back on the field by September.

This could be what saves Mathis. Not ideal but having the extra roster spot for a few weeks may help a bit with juggling DL roster spots

On 5/4/2024 at 11:36 AM, Conn said:

I think there’s a non-zero chance that Peters, coming from SF, along with Kingsbury think there is a viable way to account for a mediocre at best OL via scheme:

 

 

Daniels releasing the ball quickly (and using RB’s and TE’s heavily) can take a lot of the pressure off of himself. We’ve seen it before—Cousins coming in when the OL looked terrible in 2013, Brissett last year. 

This was our OL’s story in 21 when they were statistically ranked top 10 as a unit- Turner was masking their overall suckiness by really leveraging quick game

3 hours ago, bird_1972 said:

I wonder if drafting him means curtains for Mathis. Talk about a bust in the second round. Doesn't get much worse than that! 

 

I only remember seeing him make a play once since we drafted him. 

Unless one of the other four suffers a major injury in training camp / preseason, he is gone. Ridgeway is DQ’s guy from the Cowboys days - when they cut him early in 2022, their goal was to out him on the PS for a game before bringing him back but wr snatched him up because Ron let both Ion and Settle go and left us with Donovan Jeter

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

We drafted Coleman to play LT and brought a superbowl winner in to play LG. That’s the plan.

I may have misheard Sikkema on Take Command but I believe he said he’s talked to folks in DC and they don’t see him stepping in Day 1 to be a starter

Off topic but Sikkena’s other great observation was that Newton played 700 snaps vs Murphy who played ~400. Addresses the remark in the other thread for why his “effort” was up and down

I think, if we make a move at tackle, it happens after minicamp. They probably want to see what they have in Coleman.

On 5/3/2024 at 11:38 AM, The Consigliere said:

I think people are more upset that we didn't get a guy from tier 1 (the last of the first round types that went 5-29) and there are some that were really enamored with Paul, or the guy with red flags (Suamataia).... and then there are some that wanted us to trade up in round 1, and also grab another one before day 2 was over. We left the draft with only one OT, it wasn't a tier 1 guy, it was more of a project, and the team has no depth, and probably needs new starters either now, or by next year for 3 of 5 spots (predraft), so that's the upset. I agree w/you that getting Coleman in round 3 was no different than taking an OT at 36 or 40, he was in the same tier of the talent that went in the 50's. There were no OT's taken for basically what, 27 picks (29-54 or thereabouts) and Coleman was rated ahead of multiple guys who went in the 50's by Brugler and the ESPN dude.

 

He's a legit investment with a grade in that 40-75 zone, and upside and versatility (can play probably 2-4 spots on the line given time and development). I like him too. Not sure he gets a second contract, but he's definitely one of the better options we could have taken if we didn't get a guy with a 1st round grade, so I'm happy. Hopefully we learn enough in '24 to find out if we can focus on LT or RT, and also if Coleman is a long term Guard, or solves one of the long term OT issues. 

A beef a many folks have is we didn’t walk away with two of these guys

I don’t have issues with taking Coleman but I felt the same way @Going Commando did about taking Sainristil instead of one of the high ceiling LT prospects. The point I made is all those guys in the second were snatched up by good organizations (Texans, Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens). As we ended up seeing, none of these guys would’ve been reaches at 50 because they all went within 13 picks of that pick so let’s put that narrative to rest.

From a strategy standpoint,

- When you are picking after the mid 1st, left tackle prospects you take have low floors. Left tackle is a very tough position to solve. Why not take two shots at it to increase your chance of hitting?

- Wylie is likely here for one more year. A big reason they kept him is the net cost for keeping him was just $2M vs cutting him. If both hit, great. You found two starting tackles in this draft. 

15 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

Ron largely did not draft for need IMO. He basically ignored QB, stockpiled defense with questionable top picks, and ignored the OL.

 

I have PTSD from him drafting defenders as a priority (and the stacked defense failing in spectacular fashion) so was jaded at the pick but if Newton sees the field along side Allen and Payne and gets us immediate return on investment the pick will work out fine.

 

All things equal I think its a mistake to draft a first round grade player on defense and at best them be rotational or "maybe a starter by year 2 or 3". Blame Jamin Mathis Forbes et al. Maybe even Quan. I get it; modern defense is all about shuttling your best players off the field to put in spakle backups - I am just old school and don't always like it. Give me Allen a supreme athlete arguably our best player full time vs Allen splitting time with Potatoe' or Mathis. Now, subbing him out for Newton I could sign off on (i like to see top rookies PLAY) but again, we are taking a TOTAL STUD off the field. The push back to folks like me?  Allen NEEDS a breather he is really gassed. Oh really. Any proof to that?

 

Food for thought: A 320 pound DL sprinting to the sideline (or back on the field) to avoid a 12th man may gas them more, than staying in the game actually does.

 

I really hope we have a package with our 3 stud DL in the game at the same time, A TON.

Back 7 players don’t really rotate out of a game if they are great players. It speaks to Jamin’s limitations that he has not played 100% of snaps.

I think a number of folks are potentially underrating the contribution Rogers can make. He is another guy who is very smart and gas superior athleticism - him getting carries in 2022 symbolizes that. He got hurt early enough last year that he should be 100% by the time camp starts. With his ex QB brain, he’s probably been taking mental reps too. I think the new coaching staff is going to be surprised learning what they have in him. With Sinnott in fold, what is interesting now are the different skillsets at play and the mixing and matching you can do in 12 personnel

This LT search is starting to remind me a bit of the 2019 offseason when we brought Donald Penn in at the end of July. Perhaps it ends up taking that long to bring in a veteran who wants to avoid a chunk, if not all of training camp

50 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

There aren't many stud tackles period, but there are many more on the list of the current best tackles in the NFL with 33" arms than 36" arms.  It's overrated as a determinant of success.  Penei Sewell was the top graded OT in the NFL according to PFF, and he has 33 1/4" arms.  Braden Smith was the sixth highest graded OT, and his arm length is 32 1/4".  Bernhard Raimann was the eighth highest graded OT and his was 32 7/8.  Taylor Decker was ninth, and his arm length is 33 3/4.  Rob Havenstein has the same arm length and he was 14th in the NFL.  Zach Thom was 15th and his arm length is 33 1/4".  Slater was 17th and has already been discussed, but his arms are 33" flat.  Kaleb McGary's arms are 32 7/8 and he was tied for 20th.

 

That's eight of the top 20 OTs in the league last season with less than 34" arms.

 

Arm length isn't going to hold Cosmi back from playing tackle.  He got moved inside because we lost Scherff and signed Wylie.  He played RT as a rookie and was good.  He only struggled at RT in year two because he played most of the season hurt and got moved back and forth on a line that had to constantly shuffle personnel due to injury.  Good linemen are good linemen, and he has spent more of his career at tackle than guard.  If we didn't have Wylie, he'd probably be playing tackle still.  And if Wylie gets hurt, there is a good chance he'll have to kick back outside to tackle unless Coleman is ready to play as a rookie.

The first sentence is statistically an unfair statement to make. There aren't many tackles with 36+ inch arms period.

If one is to succeed in the NFL at tackle with 33 inch arms, that player's technique has to be very good to excellent because the margin for error for making a technical error is lower. 

6 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

He'd be fine as a camp body.

Definitely. If Leno or Bakhtiari get a clean bill of health, I'd add one of those guys too. Worst case, McDermott can go to the PS. The dude has sat on PSs his whole career

Well, we got our post draft cut at tackle. It is Conor McDermott, longtime veteran backup JAG tackle, who got a few starts for the Patriots last year after they benched Trent Brown. He was with Bobby Johnson in Buffalo in 2019. He put up a 67 PFF grade in games played last year. He's definitely a guy worth bringing to camp if they don't like anyone else out there.