method man

I think a number of folks are potentially underrating the contribution Rogers can make. He is another guy who is very smart and gas superior athleticism - him getting carries in 2022 symbolizes that. He got hurt early enough last year that he should be 100% by the time camp starts. With his ex QB brain, he’s probably been taking mental reps too. I think the new coaching staff is going to be surprised learning what they have in him. With Sinnott in fold, what is interesting now are the different skillsets at play and the mixing and matching you can do in 12 personnel

This LT search is starting to remind me a bit of the 2019 offseason when we brought Donald Penn in at the end of July. Perhaps it ends up taking that long to bring in a veteran who wants to avoid a chunk, if not all of training camp

50 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

There aren't many stud tackles period, but there are many more on the list of the current best tackles in the NFL with 33" arms than 36" arms.  It's overrated as a determinant of success.  Penei Sewell was the top graded OT in the NFL according to PFF, and he has 33 1/4" arms.  Braden Smith was the sixth highest graded OT, and his arm length is 32 1/4".  Bernhard Raimann was the eighth highest graded OT and his was 32 7/8.  Taylor Decker was ninth, and his arm length is 33 3/4.  Rob Havenstein has the same arm length and he was 14th in the NFL.  Zach Thom was 15th and his arm length is 33 1/4".  Slater was 17th and has already been discussed, but his arms are 33" flat.  Kaleb McGary's arms are 32 7/8 and he was tied for 20th.

 

That's eight of the top 20 OTs in the league last season with less than 34" arms.

 

Arm length isn't going to hold Cosmi back from playing tackle.  He got moved inside because we lost Scherff and signed Wylie.  He played RT as a rookie and was good.  He only struggled at RT in year two because he played most of the season hurt and got moved back and forth on a line that had to constantly shuffle personnel due to injury.  Good linemen are good linemen, and he has spent more of his career at tackle than guard.  If we didn't have Wylie, he'd probably be playing tackle still.  And if Wylie gets hurt, there is a good chance he'll have to kick back outside to tackle unless Coleman is ready to play as a rookie.

The first sentence is statistically an unfair statement to make. There aren't many tackles with 36+ inch arms period.

If one is to succeed in the NFL at tackle with 33 inch arms, that player's technique has to be very good to excellent because the margin for error for making a technical error is lower. 

6 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

He'd be fine as a camp body.

Definitely. If Leno or Bakhtiari get a clean bill of health, I'd add one of those guys too. Worst case, McDermott can go to the PS. The dude has sat on PSs his whole career

Well, we got our post draft cut at tackle. It is Conor McDermott, longtime veteran backup JAG tackle, who got a few starts for the Patriots last year after they benched Trent Brown. He was with Bobby Johnson in Buffalo in 2019. He put up a 67 PFF grade in games played last year. He's definitely a guy worth bringing to camp if they don't like anyone else out there.

2 hours ago, NYSkins21 said:

Not to mention, we didn’t have another Pick until the 5th round so if we wanted him, it was the spot to take him.

I feel #100 was the perfect tradedown spot. Last pick on Day 2 - very opportune time for a team to move up and snag a guy before teams digest Day 2 and prepare for Day 3

1 minute ago, Going Commando said:

 

He has the exact same arm length and wingspan as All Pro tackle Rashawn Slater.  His arms are actually longer than Morgan's.  He was a better prospect than Morgan, especially considering Morgan tore his ACL.  Sometimes there isn't a rhyme or reason for why guys with a first round profile end up on day 2.  Cosmi is one of those cases.  So is JerZhan Newton.

Slater is one example. I can’t name many tackles with 33 inch arms who are studs at the position in the example. Year after year, there are college tackles with short arms who the draft community pushes as tackles in the pros and, more often than not, they move inside. Alijah Vera Tucker is a great recent example of this.

3 hours ago, redskinss said:

 

That's a good way to look at it but you have to add a player we could have gotten at 78.

Would we be better with sainristil and sinnott or dejean and concalves?

 

Time will tell obviously but the latter gives us two tackles to play with and seriously helps cure our ills on the line.

 

 

Yep and I was thinking about that yesterday. If you look at how things shook out, there was a clear dropoff after #76 - no more of the “this guy could’ve gone in the 2nd but fell to the 3rd” guys after Elliss. 
 

That being said, Zinter, Haynes or Goncalves  would’ve been nice to have

Also the 5th round pick swap mattered - we lost out on Mohamed Kamara as a result

19 hours ago, Conn said:

I thought Braeden Daniels had NFL athleticism but needed time to build NFL strength? Is he just a lost cause do we think 

 

Edit: how the hell did this conversation end up happening in the slot DB thread lol

It’s not just the strength but his college tape was not good either - there is definitely a major technique gap he has to overcome too. He is a guy who probably needs to sit on practice squads for a while.
 

Given his arm length and lack of refinement in his game, he is likely a guard and he probably needs to do it in a zone heavy scheme.

Just now, seantaylor=god said:

Not only is he not the regime’s pick, but he doesn’t seem to fit the type of “run and hit” violent player we want. I hope we can find a role for him due to his ball skills, but it’s not going to be easy for him. He needs to make an impact quickly.

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is moved before the season. If you have a sense that he is not going to fit, it may be better to cut your losses now and get a 4th or a 5th vs nothing down the road. He is only going to continue to depreciate if his poor play on tape continues. He is going to have his fans around the league who will attribute his struggles more to the coaching at this point

1 hour ago, seantaylor=god said:

My impression was something like football isn’t the most important thing to him, maturity, etc. not that he’s a criminal or a bad guy but maybe he’s not “a dude” if that makes sense. Which would make sense that we weren’t interested.

 

Standig on a different podcast said he thinks they liked Mimms, Morgan and Guyton and tried to trade up but couldn’t find a partner. For the next group of guys, they liked Coleman at OT. 

I had heard (forget where or on what pod) that they liked Blake Fisher. It must have been a surprise to them that he was snatched up where he was.

8 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

The Aiyuk-Daniels chemistry and friendship makes this about way more than adding a high-caliber receiver to the WR room.

 

To those saying "get an LT first", that doesn't make sense. You can do two things at once, and one does not preclude the other. We have healthy cap space and the high-priced LTs are gone by now anyway, so it's not like we're picking which position to hand a big contract to.

 

Of course, the cost has to make sense. I'm not saying go trade a 1st round pick for the guy. But I would do a 3rd and a 5th.

You may not be able to do both things if you are talking about giving capital away for Aiyuk. The same draft comp may preclude a trade for someone like a Bolles or Kolton Miller and, if I have to give up draft comp, I am getting the left tackle.

The friendship may or may not help. To the outside eye, it seems that the Hurts-AJ Brown relationship deteriorated last season after they had been friends for years. It could also cause chemistry issues gelling with the other receivers.

2 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Thats almost certainly what convinced him to come here - not just the signing and guaranteed money. He's got a really strong shot at a roster spot.

 

OT and CB are the two spots with the biggest question marks in terms of both starters and depth.

I think it is this guy vs Holmes for a roster spot

24 minutes ago, philibusters said:

 

 

I have low expectations for Braeden Daniels.  By contrast I am higher on Allegretti.  I think either Allegretti or Stromberg wins the starting LG spot.

Same. Daniels very likely does not make the team. Small and so raw

8 minutes ago, TurningTheCorner said:

Any chance we slide Cosmi back out to RT?

 

Our line would be Lucas, Allegretti, Biadasz, Stromberg, Cosmi.

 

Wylie and Coleman as your 6 and 7 with positional flex. Just a thought but that OL is likely far better than what we trotted out last year. Not great, but better. Coleman can hopefully grow into the LT position in time as well.

They are not going to move Cosmi back. He’s an elite guard and his shorter arms hurt him a bit at tackle. In your scenario, Stromberg would never start over Wylie at guard

I think Coleman was excellent value in the 3rd. Even if he becomes a guard, you are working with one with elite athleticism. Kind of like getting a longer more athletic Cosmi but in the 3rd round. If this were to happen and we retain Cosmi, you have the KC model of a fantastic interior with the question marks being on the edges 

Interesting nugget from Thor Nystrom on Galdi’s podcast was that Coleman played hurt last year. It could help explain why his play fell off a bit vs 2022

38 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

The o-line will limit what this team can do this year. It’s not a playoff year though the ceiling is 8-9, based on JD alone.

 

Actually making the playoffs this year doesn’t help much. Another year of drafting in the lower half of Top 10 will benefit us.

 

I expect 2025 to be the highest we draft for a long time.

Good news is that the 2025 draft appears to have some tackles. We need that, a premier EDGE, a CB1 and an elite offensive weapon. 

8 hours ago, CapsSkins said:

Friendly reminder that the Bears didn’t cut Leno till May 3 in 2021. There are decent veteran players yet to be released as teams work thru their post-draft rosters.

I don’t have much hope of that this go around. If you look at the teams that drafted tackles, I don’t see it happening. In cases where the picks are replacing vets, those vets are already FAs in Peat and D. Smith.

The one possibility may be Orlando Brown Jr in Cincy with the drafting of Mims. It’d be a $26M dead cap hit if they cut him or traded him though. The other possibility is Mims beats out Trent Brown and they cut him. However, he was there for the taking this offseason and we clearly didn’t want him and his baggage

32 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I don’t know if Sain plays the nickel a whole lot this year. I think Mike Davis was brought in for that and he is one of the best nickel CBs in pro football.

 

I am kind of curious, though… I think they may use Sain as a safety at times and roll him down. I think Sain is incredibly intelligent and reads quickly and breaks quickly and violently. So while I think he is a nickel CB and we will see him some there, I’m kind of wondering if they think he may be a high safety at times and Quan isn’t and will be more of a slot CB.

 

I’m interested to see how creative they can get.

Isn’t Mike Davis supposed to be a physical outside corner? I thought Samuel Jr has been their slot CB

5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

The reality is: MOST O Lines in the league are bad. You talk to fans of every team and almost every single one of them will tell you how much their OL sucks. I think the only fan bases happy with their OL are the Lions, Chiefs, and Eagles. Maybe the Ravens and Texans also. OL play around the league sucks.

 

Our OL is below average but I scheme, playcalling, and an inexperienced QB who had a historically bad sack rate in college made them look worse then they are. There is no chance they look that bad again this year with an upgraded interior, what should be better playcalling(I can't imagine anything worse), and a QB that is much faster at processing and with a quicker release(who is also a legit run threat, which will change the way Ds attack us).

We currently have 2 above average caliber starters in Cosmi and Biadasz. Wylie and Allegretti are below average. Lucas, if he were to start, would be one of the worst starting tackles in the league. 
 

You can scheme some around it but it is going to be a major issue even if you pick up one of these veteran tackles off the street

7 minutes ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

We can only hope the 2 biggest problems to are line are gone. EB and Nick Gates. I do not think Leno had much left last year. LT still concerns me but will wait and see. Teams drafted about 20 starters in this draft so there may be some cap casualties. 
 

The Texans went from worst O-line with 2 things. A good play caller and a good quarterback.

Leno is not as bad as people think he was. Yes he got absolutely owned by Thibodeaux but he played decent football against most other teams. 73 PFF grade and gave up 3 sacks on the season per them. 

14 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

I have posted the same thing. In addition the upgrade at center and LG can not be understated. However the one concern I have is Daniels' sack to pressure ratio was terrible, he has the same traits as Howell (and Maye for that matter).  

I think the sack to pressure thing is overblown. Keim spent several pods mentioning NFL scouts don’t see it as an issue. Something overblown by the stats people

2 hours ago, Lovi said:

Leno I’m pretty sure had hip surgery. He’s not coming back this year. 

I know nothing about hip surgery. How long does it take a mid 30s pro athlete to recover from it? 

38 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 Smith, Peat, and Turner would probably sign the others I doubt.

Smith is a weird dude/has a screw loose/sucks

Peat has fallen off a cliff and his heralded season last year resulted in a 60 PFF grade

Turner is a backup swing tackle JAG at this point

It is not unfair to say Lucas is better than all three at this point 

We have to pray Leno can heal up and wants to come back here

5 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I feel somewhat bad for Raheem Morris.  Somewhat.  I think they could have helped him a lot more.

 

Though, honestly, they should still win the NFC South.  Cousins, assuming he is recovered, is the best QB in that division and it's not close.  They have some weapons.  Defense is going to be an issue, but they might be able to play a "bend but don't break" conservative style of defense and get by.

 

But man, they could have had the best defensive player on the board and they took a QB who won't play for 2 years because they just paid Cousins $100m.  

 

That's still such a "wow."  

I thought I heard it was Raheem who loved Penix

1 hour ago, CommDownMan said:

 

I think you can do both.

 

I think Peters did well with the draft.  But judging the draft should include all the 2025 picks that Roseman got.  His ability to move about is really impressive (which sucks).

 

That being said, part of that ability is having done it over several years, his team has a stronger base to work with.  As a result, there is less need to build the roster and allows for more gambles.  Trading out of 3 picks for future picks means you have a team that is well built now (generally), and Peters didn't inherit that luxury.

 

We had one successful trade down and at least 2 mentions of failed trade ups (end of first and end of second I think).  Whether it was first draft nerves, sticking to the board or simply working through being the top guy with all it entails, there were times it appears we weren't able to get our guy.  I do wonder if Coleman was the target and 49ers did Peters a solid saying that wasn't who KC wanted (but we'll never know).  I think grrading the ability to move around can be judge now, as it has nothing to do with players suscess of the field.

 

Peters did well from a handling the responsibility point of view.  Any of us doing something for the first time there is going be room for improvement..  Comparing him to Roseman at this point is a high bar.  There are pkenty of GMs that did far worse with more experience.  However, the goal should be the best and to do that we need to beat the best.  For Peters that is as a GM and his target should be beating GMs for Eagles, Ravens, Steelers.  It was a solid start, but I believe there will be some lessons learned and there is room for improvement.  

 

 

If you are arguing that Roseman had a stronger base to work from, I kind of get that argument. However, one can easily ask why they didn’t move back at certain spots to pick up more Day 3 picks this year to get more players in now to build that stronger base. It is especially disappointing given the consistent discovery of long term starters in Day 3 is what Peters is known for.

I heard this stupid argument from Keim that must have come from this FO that they didn’t want too many picks because it could cause issues with resigning that many guys to second contracts. That is 1) inherently arrogant because it assumes you are going to have an amazing hit rate and 2) shortsighted because if guys perform and you can’t keep them, you trade them for picks or get comp picks, which you can continuously recycle like how Howie has