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39 minutes ago, ANONYMOUS SOURCE. said:

Shawn Springs under Gregg Williams was the last time I remember that happening with any regularity 

From memory, I believe he led the team in sacks his first year here. I remember being pissed he didn't make the Pro Bowl

4 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

Wonder if the former banned poster who works there has been let go?

Wasnt Cooleyfan the stadium janitor or something?

10 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

I think every young player who was here in 22 didn't improve or got worse in 23 except for Cosmi. Doubt Cosmi spent much time with Malcolm lol

19 hours ago, TheShredder said:

I wouldn't discount the concern about both feet having Jones Fractures, however that's not bad if you think about it. 

He got those fractures from pushing guys into the ground with great force...that's what you want. He's a beast! 

We also know he heals from this surgery in 4 months because he just did it. 

I don't think it's a IR thing.  Maybe a PUP List thing possibly but from recent history we know he can be back on the field by September.

This could be what saves Mathis. Not ideal but having the extra roster spot for a few weeks may help a bit with juggling DL roster spots

On 5/4/2024 at 11:36 AM, Conn said:

I think there’s a non-zero chance that Peters, coming from SF, along with Kingsbury think there is a viable way to account for a mediocre at best OL via scheme:

 

 

Daniels releasing the ball quickly (and using RB’s and TE’s heavily) can take a lot of the pressure off of himself. We’ve seen it before—Cousins coming in when the OL looked terrible in 2013, Brissett last year. 

This was our OL’s story in 21 when they were statistically ranked top 10 as a unit- Turner was masking their overall suckiness by really leveraging quick game

3 hours ago, bird_1972 said:

I wonder if drafting him means curtains for Mathis. Talk about a bust in the second round. Doesn't get much worse than that! 

 

I only remember seeing him make a play once since we drafted him. 

Unless one of the other four suffers a major injury in training camp / preseason, he is gone. Ridgeway is DQ’s guy from the Cowboys days - when they cut him early in 2022, their goal was to out him on the PS for a game before bringing him back but wr snatched him up because Ron let both Ion and Settle go and left us with Donovan Jeter

1 hour ago, Est.1974 said:

We drafted Coleman to play LT and brought a superbowl winner in to play LG. That’s the plan.

I may have misheard Sikkema on Take Command but I believe he said he’s talked to folks in DC and they don’t see him stepping in Day 1 to be a starter

Off topic but Sikkena’s other great observation was that Newton played 700 snaps vs Murphy who played ~400. Addresses the remark in the other thread for why his “effort” was up and down

I think, if we make a move at tackle, it happens after minicamp. They probably want to see what they have in Coleman.

On 5/3/2024 at 11:38 AM, The Consigliere said:

I think people are more upset that we didn't get a guy from tier 1 (the last of the first round types that went 5-29) and there are some that were really enamored with Paul, or the guy with red flags (Suamataia).... and then there are some that wanted us to trade up in round 1, and also grab another one before day 2 was over. We left the draft with only one OT, it wasn't a tier 1 guy, it was more of a project, and the team has no depth, and probably needs new starters either now, or by next year for 3 of 5 spots (predraft), so that's the upset. I agree w/you that getting Coleman in round 3 was no different than taking an OT at 36 or 40, he was in the same tier of the talent that went in the 50's. There were no OT's taken for basically what, 27 picks (29-54 or thereabouts) and Coleman was rated ahead of multiple guys who went in the 50's by Brugler and the ESPN dude.

 

He's a legit investment with a grade in that 40-75 zone, and upside and versatility (can play probably 2-4 spots on the line given time and development). I like him too. Not sure he gets a second contract, but he's definitely one of the better options we could have taken if we didn't get a guy with a 1st round grade, so I'm happy. Hopefully we learn enough in '24 to find out if we can focus on LT or RT, and also if Coleman is a long term Guard, or solves one of the long term OT issues. 

A beef a many folks have is we didn’t walk away with two of these guys

I don’t have issues with taking Coleman but I felt the same way @Going Commando did about taking Sainristil instead of one of the high ceiling LT prospects. The point I made is all those guys in the second were snatched up by good organizations (Texans, Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens). As we ended up seeing, none of these guys would’ve been reaches at 50 because they all went within 13 picks of that pick so let’s put that narrative to rest.

From a strategy standpoint,

- When you are picking after the mid 1st, left tackle prospects you take have low floors. Left tackle is a very tough position to solve. Why not take two shots at it to increase your chance of hitting?

- Wylie is likely here for one more year. A big reason they kept him is the net cost for keeping him was just $2M vs cutting him. If both hit, great. You found two starting tackles in this draft. 

15 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

Ron largely did not draft for need IMO. He basically ignored QB, stockpiled defense with questionable top picks, and ignored the OL.

 

I have PTSD from him drafting defenders as a priority (and the stacked defense failing in spectacular fashion) so was jaded at the pick but if Newton sees the field along side Allen and Payne and gets us immediate return on investment the pick will work out fine.

 

All things equal I think its a mistake to draft a first round grade player on defense and at best them be rotational or "maybe a starter by year 2 or 3". Blame Jamin Mathis Forbes et al. Maybe even Quan. I get it; modern defense is all about shuttling your best players off the field to put in spakle backups - I am just old school and don't always like it. Give me Allen a supreme athlete arguably our best player full time vs Allen splitting time with Potatoe' or Mathis. Now, subbing him out for Newton I could sign off on (i like to see top rookies PLAY) but again, we are taking a TOTAL STUD off the field. The push back to folks like me?  Allen NEEDS a breather he is really gassed. Oh really. Any proof to that?

 

Food for thought: A 320 pound DL sprinting to the sideline (or back on the field) to avoid a 12th man may gas them more, than staying in the game actually does.

 

I really hope we have a package with our 3 stud DL in the game at the same time, A TON.

Back 7 players don’t really rotate out of a game if they are great players. It speaks to Jamin’s limitations that he has not played 100% of snaps.

I think a number of folks are potentially underrating the contribution Rogers can make. He is another guy who is very smart and gas superior athleticism - him getting carries in 2022 symbolizes that. He got hurt early enough last year that he should be 100% by the time camp starts. With his ex QB brain, he’s probably been taking mental reps too. I think the new coaching staff is going to be surprised learning what they have in him. With Sinnott in fold, what is interesting now are the different skillsets at play and the mixing and matching you can do in 12 personnel

This LT search is starting to remind me a bit of the 2019 offseason when we brought Donald Penn in at the end of July. Perhaps it ends up taking that long to bring in a veteran who wants to avoid a chunk, if not all of training camp

50 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

There aren't many stud tackles period, but there are many more on the list of the current best tackles in the NFL with 33" arms than 36" arms.  It's overrated as a determinant of success.  Penei Sewell was the top graded OT in the NFL according to PFF, and he has 33 1/4" arms.  Braden Smith was the sixth highest graded OT, and his arm length is 32 1/4".  Bernhard Raimann was the eighth highest graded OT and his was 32 7/8.  Taylor Decker was ninth, and his arm length is 33 3/4.  Rob Havenstein has the same arm length and he was 14th in the NFL.  Zach Thom was 15th and his arm length is 33 1/4".  Slater was 17th and has already been discussed, but his arms are 33" flat.  Kaleb McGary's arms are 32 7/8 and he was tied for 20th.

 

That's eight of the top 20 OTs in the league last season with less than 34" arms.

 

Arm length isn't going to hold Cosmi back from playing tackle.  He got moved inside because we lost Scherff and signed Wylie.  He played RT as a rookie and was good.  He only struggled at RT in year two because he played most of the season hurt and got moved back and forth on a line that had to constantly shuffle personnel due to injury.  Good linemen are good linemen, and he has spent more of his career at tackle than guard.  If we didn't have Wylie, he'd probably be playing tackle still.  And if Wylie gets hurt, there is a good chance he'll have to kick back outside to tackle unless Coleman is ready to play as a rookie.

The first sentence is statistically an unfair statement to make. There aren't many tackles with 36+ inch arms period.

If one is to succeed in the NFL at tackle with 33 inch arms, that player's technique has to be very good to excellent because the margin for error for making a technical error is lower. 

6 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

He'd be fine as a camp body.

Definitely. If Leno or Bakhtiari get a clean bill of health, I'd add one of those guys too. Worst case, McDermott can go to the PS. The dude has sat on PSs his whole career

Well, we got our post draft cut at tackle. It is Conor McDermott, longtime veteran backup JAG tackle, who got a few starts for the Patriots last year after they benched Trent Brown. He was with Bobby Johnson in Buffalo in 2019. He put up a 67 PFF grade in games played last year. He's definitely a guy worth bringing to camp if they don't like anyone else out there.

2 hours ago, NYSkins21 said:

Not to mention, we didn’t have another Pick until the 5th round so if we wanted him, it was the spot to take him.

I feel #100 was the perfect tradedown spot. Last pick on Day 2 - very opportune time for a team to move up and snag a guy before teams digest Day 2 and prepare for Day 3

1 minute ago, Going Commando said:

 

He has the exact same arm length and wingspan as All Pro tackle Rashawn Slater.  His arms are actually longer than Morgan's.  He was a better prospect than Morgan, especially considering Morgan tore his ACL.  Sometimes there isn't a rhyme or reason for why guys with a first round profile end up on day 2.  Cosmi is one of those cases.  So is JerZhan Newton.

Slater is one example. I can’t name many tackles with 33 inch arms who are studs at the position in the example. Year after year, there are college tackles with short arms who the draft community pushes as tackles in the pros and, more often than not, they move inside. Alijah Vera Tucker is a great recent example of this.

3 hours ago, redskinss said:

 

That's a good way to look at it but you have to add a player we could have gotten at 78.

Would we be better with sainristil and sinnott or dejean and concalves?

 

Time will tell obviously but the latter gives us two tackles to play with and seriously helps cure our ills on the line.

 

 

Yep and I was thinking about that yesterday. If you look at how things shook out, there was a clear dropoff after #76 - no more of the “this guy could’ve gone in the 2nd but fell to the 3rd” guys after Elliss. 
 

That being said, Zinter, Haynes or Goncalves  would’ve been nice to have

Also the 5th round pick swap mattered - we lost out on Mohamed Kamara as a result

19 hours ago, Conn said:

I thought Braeden Daniels had NFL athleticism but needed time to build NFL strength? Is he just a lost cause do we think 

 

Edit: how the hell did this conversation end up happening in the slot DB thread lol

It’s not just the strength but his college tape was not good either - there is definitely a major technique gap he has to overcome too. He is a guy who probably needs to sit on practice squads for a while.
 

Given his arm length and lack of refinement in his game, he is likely a guard and he probably needs to do it in a zone heavy scheme.

Just now, seantaylor=god said:

Not only is he not the regime’s pick, but he doesn’t seem to fit the type of “run and hit” violent player we want. I hope we can find a role for him due to his ball skills, but it’s not going to be easy for him. He needs to make an impact quickly.

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is moved before the season. If you have a sense that he is not going to fit, it may be better to cut your losses now and get a 4th or a 5th vs nothing down the road. He is only going to continue to depreciate if his poor play on tape continues. He is going to have his fans around the league who will attribute his struggles more to the coaching at this point

1 hour ago, seantaylor=god said:

My impression was something like football isn’t the most important thing to him, maturity, etc. not that he’s a criminal or a bad guy but maybe he’s not “a dude” if that makes sense. Which would make sense that we weren’t interested.

 

Standig on a different podcast said he thinks they liked Mimms, Morgan and Guyton and tried to trade up but couldn’t find a partner. For the next group of guys, they liked Coleman at OT. 

I had heard (forget where or on what pod) that they liked Blake Fisher. It must have been a surprise to them that he was snatched up where he was.

8 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

The Aiyuk-Daniels chemistry and friendship makes this about way more than adding a high-caliber receiver to the WR room.

 

To those saying "get an LT first", that doesn't make sense. You can do two things at once, and one does not preclude the other. We have healthy cap space and the high-priced LTs are gone by now anyway, so it's not like we're picking which position to hand a big contract to.

 

Of course, the cost has to make sense. I'm not saying go trade a 1st round pick for the guy. But I would do a 3rd and a 5th.

You may not be able to do both things if you are talking about giving capital away for Aiyuk. The same draft comp may preclude a trade for someone like a Bolles or Kolton Miller and, if I have to give up draft comp, I am getting the left tackle.

The friendship may or may not help. To the outside eye, it seems that the Hurts-AJ Brown relationship deteriorated last season after they had been friends for years. It could also cause chemistry issues gelling with the other receivers.

2 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Thats almost certainly what convinced him to come here - not just the signing and guaranteed money. He's got a really strong shot at a roster spot.

 

OT and CB are the two spots with the biggest question marks in terms of both starters and depth.

I think it is this guy vs Holmes for a roster spot

24 minutes ago, philibusters said:

 

 

I have low expectations for Braeden Daniels.  By contrast I am higher on Allegretti.  I think either Allegretti or Stromberg wins the starting LG spot.

Same. Daniels very likely does not make the team. Small and so raw

8 minutes ago, TurningTheCorner said:

Any chance we slide Cosmi back out to RT?

 

Our line would be Lucas, Allegretti, Biadasz, Stromberg, Cosmi.

 

Wylie and Coleman as your 6 and 7 with positional flex. Just a thought but that OL is likely far better than what we trotted out last year. Not great, but better. Coleman can hopefully grow into the LT position in time as well.

They are not going to move Cosmi back. He’s an elite guard and his shorter arms hurt him a bit at tackle. In your scenario, Stromberg would never start over Wylie at guard