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Later tonight, I'll be posting about BayouBrave.

6 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

Just curious as to what you see that might limit his ceiling? I personally don’t see much, he has a strong arm, he is accurate, and he’d be one of the top 7 athletes at the qb position in the nfl. He does need to learn to change speeds on his throws more often when needed, but I feel that can be learned. Maye for example does change speed on his throws, but when he does it, his throwing motion changes considerably and it looks more like he his aiming it rather than throwing it, and personally, I feel that this leads to some of his accuracy issues. I’m just not really seeing some major hurdle that would limit McCarthys ceiling, and I feel he might have the highest floor in the draft. I’d love to hear what you think would limit his ceiling, that way I could watch some film of him today, to see if I can see the same issue

I went back and watched more tape. Maye has an impressive (though not as good as Williams) ability to do more than just laser his throws.  McCarthy does have an issue at times but I saw plenty of throws on tape, short and intermediate (and some lofted deep) that suggest the ability is there and has been demonstrated.  

1 minute ago, BayouBrave86 said:

It’s not about the QB we draft tonight, it’s about the journey and friends we made along the way in this thread.

The real franchise QB was the fanbase of contentious louts we met along the way

Nate Tice breaking down his thoughts on Drake Maye.  Is shocked by everyone really turning on him (at least in media) and thinks he has all the tools. Makes several good points.  

13 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

You'd be making a huge mistake.

 

Dude also finished 5th in QBR in 5 starts in '22 and 1st in QBR starting a full season in '23.

 

Playoff #'s are just "okay" at best. He hasn't been bad, or even below average, but he hasn't been scinitilating either, but lets also acknowledge he was accomplishing all this as a 7th rounder thrust into the starting lineup, and then playing 8 months after suffering a complete tear of his UCL, which he actually continued to play with after the niners ran out of QB's.

 

We would be enormously lucky to land a guy at 2 who produces these #'s in his second year, particularly on top of that with a UCL complete tear less than 9 months earlier. 

 

Good point about his UCL tear. He was doing well, to the point where I'm confident the Niners beat the Eagles if they have him, he gets back to the SB after recovery.  

There are people here and elsewhere who have pushed this 'narrative' and 'bias' with Purdy, and I'm going to have to chime in and say the way people discuss him, there is definitely a bias at play. I do think being Mr. Irrelevant doesn't help him in the media, but there's more going on.  

2 minutes ago, Llevron said:

Anyway. Im in a loving mood so I wanted yall to know I think very highly of most of you and you should be proud of yourselves even if we dont always agree. This **** is not easy to do and we do it well imo. 

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

14 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

I'm pretty sure Laron Landry went thru like puberty like 4 times.

 

I'm just saying its possible

Remarkable how he and David Boston chose bodybuilding over the NFL. 

1 minute ago, ILikeBilly2 said:

Look at the last toss by JD, right at the 35 second mark.  Kid is 3 yards away and the ball is almost uncatchable.  Is this really who we are picking?  

This y'alls Franchise QB?

17 minutes ago, Hooper said:

QB not a RB is hilarious.

 

Best passer in the draft according to some if not most. 

 

Man, these biases and narratives.

 

Caleb has way more arm talent, his arm is stronger and arm angles and off platform throws are better.  Not sure what in the world would have changed that tape. When I see Daniels or my guy McCarthy, I don't see the same arm talent from the creativity in delivery perspective.  Since passing ultimately comes down to completions, moving the offense, and scoring, I guess it remains to be seen in the NFL.

Reading Cooley's take on Maye and parts of it remind me of McCarthy. What I mean is that there's this sense I get that guys are saying Daniels is a fast processor and that everyone else in the top 4-5 is not (maybe they allow for Williams being a good processor.)  But when I review tape, not just highlights but the all-throws/runs and then consider the metrics, I'm not getting it (not entirely.) 

Basically, everyone is inconsistent and will need work either on footwork or on processing to a certain area of the field.  

36 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

 

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4 minutes ago, REDSKINS STOMP said:

For those who keep receipts, here is one for ya.

 

JJ McCarthy sucks, he is scouts fools gold and he will bust, HARD.

 

Please don't draft him at #2.

I only keep receipts on people I know.  As of now, I can find your comment on YouTube.

3 minutes ago, Rolo Tomasie said:

Wow this draft season and even this thread is gonna make a hell of a doctoral thesis in groupthink effects someday. The effects of creating draft intrigue and of tearing at the early leader has:

1. Turned Jayden Daniels an angel of the Divine sent from God himself to teach us all throwing mechanics as He wants them to be, with deep ball accuracy better than a goddam Norden bombsight. Reality: his deep ball is ok, it's underthrown a lot but his receivers win it anyway, and he can't keep his eyes up in a muddy pocket.

2. Then turned JJ McCarthy into apparently the single greatest leader of men since Alexander the Great conquered Sparta. A man who walks into a room and all conversation stops while women and children swoon and mortals question what they can do to alter their lives to please him. Reality: he has no concept of spacing or layering, has no throws in his bag but a big-stride fastball, and has made a career of consistently being in the right place at the right time with a nice smile and dimples.

This really is appalling. Please sop falling for it. If we draft JJ McCarthy over Drake Maye, we deserve exactly what's coming to us. 4 days to go. Breathe, everyone. Your first takes were the right ones. 

 

23 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

McCarthy bulked up to 219 lbs at the combine and was measured at 6' 2.5". He didn't run the 40 but did other agility drills. He threw the ball at 61 mph, second only to Joe Milton. He apparently aced his interviews.

 

The most important part of the QB position is arguably making the right decision time after time after time, and keeping your cool in big moments. Galvanizing your teammates, inculcating a sense of belief and earning their trust.

 

The kid is young and with coaching, he can hopefully refine his mechanics and improve his touch and ability to throw outside the numbers. But the arm strength is there and the mental makeup is there.

 

**** it, I really think the answer has been staring us in the face the whole time while we've been debating Daniels vs. Maye.

 

Or maybe @illone, @mac8887, and @RWJ finally got to me! 

I will not stand for this erasure of the man who called Tom Brady and is resident QB expert. 

Me.

Most important thing I took from the jackets was that Penix looked like a football player and Daniels suit chest was definitely concave in nature. Very concerning. 

18 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Another Raider tie. Clark is tight with Pierce.

 

Ive read multiple times Daniels is a super nice guy, low ego, very coachable.

 

Ditto Maye. But Daniels’ mom is a different story 

 

Sorry as much as I loved Ryan as a player,  and even at the beginning of his broadcast career he is very agenda driven now.  I'll just leave it at that. It isn't that he's lying and I think JD is likely a nice guy but nice guys can still have character concerns compared to people who are less nice.

Well my question wasn't about whether Brady should have been better regarded (how did i get it right?) but if you had a chance at that kind of culture setting, smart, tough player do you grab him?

13 minutes ago, illone said:

 

this happens every year. Teams get fooled by the tangibles and bypass the guy with elite leadership and culture potential. Its kind of funny if you think about it. Its almost like talent evaluators cant help themselves from jumping on the same grenade year after year. 

If you had a guy who was even 66.67 percent of Brady as culture setter, came from a healthy and excellent organizational culture, and was even 40 percent as successful as Brady, aren't you obligated to take that? And the guy is faster and more nimble and younger?

That NFL article mentioned that JJ took the S2 and did well.  One coordinator said the rise isn't interviews or pro day but that coaches didn't get a chance to look at film until after the season.  Scouts are looking at traits but not always looking like a coach would look at processing, leadership and command in a huddle. Not everything is good in it but I felt better about McCarthy from that section, mixed as it was as it went more into depth about strengths and criticisms. 

1 minute ago, mistertim said:

 

This was my favorite part from the section on Maye, straight from the "I have very clearly never watched a single snap of either of these guys" files:

 

 

As a side note, I had no idea that water boys count as "executives" now.

It was like the McGinn article where the scout blamed mccarthy for a "bad pass" instead of the obvious tip from Dallas Turner.

Jay is the biggest football related reason I checked out entirely. Not even him as much as the fact that Dan totally went against his first few years and just kept incompetent people years past the point it was clear they should have been fired. 

No one wants to talk about that piece from the nfl.com draft article?

9 minutes ago, Llevron said:

I follow all that by saying I don’t want him drafted here because I know what y’all will do his entire career and a few month of it is fun, a few years is draining. I don’t care if he is more talented, he doesn’t fit this fan base for sure and that’s enough for me. 

JFC dude.  Yeah the reason Jason Campbell didn't work out was the fans on a message board. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-draft-pro-execs-scouts-coaches-rank-and-evaluate-the-top-20-prospects-in-this-qb-class

SocalSkins had it pegged from the beginning.  This ya'lls franchise QB?!

"At Arizona State, they couldn't get him out of there fast enough. It didn't matter if you talked to coaches, staff, teammates -- they were like, ‘Good riddance,' " a second AFC scout said. "You're pushing all your chips in on this guy. Obviously, Brian Kelly and those guys saw a different side of him. But when does the other side come out? When some real adversity strikes in the league and he's starting to get peppered and you've got people wanting to kick his ass, it'll be interesting"

22 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

McCar-thee, or not McCar-thee, that is the question:

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of passing on the national champion,

Or to take arms against a sea of QB troubles,
And by drafting him, end them.

 

Hamlet. Act 3, Scene 1.

36 minutes ago, RWJ said:

I can see it now:  Brett Drew McPeytonBrady.  Kind of has a ring to it.  😜

At Michigan I've heard they called him Football Serpentor.

36 minutes ago, mistertim said:

JJ McCarthy is what would happen if you took Favre's arm, Brady's decision making, Peyton's brain, and Brees's accuracy and put them all into one QB.

 

 

 

....and then completely ignored that QB and drafted some other guy because he won a championship on an insanely stacked team.

 

 

 

For the record I don't actually dislike McCarthy (though I wouldn't take him at 2), I'm just trolling his fans.    

And what you might say with irony, I say with conviction: "What a piece of work is a McCarthy! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculty! In form, in moving, how express and admirable! In action, how like an angel! In apprehension, how like a god!"