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2 hours ago, GothSkinsFan said:

You're new to being a Redskins fan, ain'tcha?

 

 

 

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."  Former Redskins head coach Vince Lombardi.

No....

Yes...

I have been a fan for as long as I have been alive and i still stand by my statement... it's just been much more relevant now.  Like I said in a previous post, it's long been said that the most popular person in Washington is the backup quarterback.  It's been that way forever. 

I dont doubt there have been beloved players in the past, but this current fanbase does not have player loyalty.  People are calling for Ryan Kerrigan to get traded for any draft pick the team can get... 

9 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Your memory of how the fans embraced Sean Taylor from Day 1 differs from mine.  

Different perspectives I guess, all good. 

Just now, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Oh I totally agree on your Cousins take.  It was my only argument for retaining him while understanding his limitations.  The numbers make it clear that Kirk was the best QB they've had here in decades, and better than anyone who has played here since.

 

But Mark Brunell was not good here. Fans were begging Coach Gibbs to put in Patrick Ramsey, when he failed they turned to drafting Jason Campbell because it was clear Brunell was not the answer.  

I know... i wasn't saying Brunell was some great QB, I simply said that Cousins was the best or most consistent over the last 30 years outside of maybe Brunell.  He was consistent.  He didn't make big mistakes and he managed the team.  

The point was not about Brunell being a good QB, it was about the fact that this fanbase is not loyal to the players... it's loyal to the brand.  Players have always been dismissed very quickly... often times incorrectly.   They get vilified unless they are ELITE from day 1.  Sean Taylor was vilified by this fanbase BIG TIME when his ATV incident came to light.  He was attacked by fans because of the wreckless play style was prone to penalties.. He was not embraced from day 1, he had to start going down the path of one of the greatest safeties to play the game before he got right with the fans.  

20 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

I'm not going to let a good performance against an OL full of guys off the street 

 

Mark Brunnell?  He was pretty bad.  

Was anyone else clearly better or more consistent than what Cousins has turned into? 

To take this a step further, it's a perfect example.  Brunell was 13 - 15 here..  In those 30 years I believe he's the closest to .500 of any QB we've had not named Alex Smith.. He did exactly what Alex Smith is asked to do now... Ride the coat tails of a top tier defense and Clinton Portis.  Make a couple plays when you can, but don't make the big mistake... 

He got pushed out for Jason Campbell.... 

41 minutes ago, GothSkinsFan said:

The fanbase is very loyal.  We're just giving the Team ownership what it's given us over the years.  Winning changes everything.

this fanbase is loyal to the brand, not the players.  This fanbase will vilify a player or label them bust with the quickness.  There is a reason that 'the most popular person in Washington is the backup Quarterback.'  

You can listen to local sports talk radio and hear it.  Weeks 1 - 4 fans were clamoring for Kyle Allen or Alex Smith, When we kept losing with Allen, there was a bigger push for Smith.  When Smith lost the first 2 games he played in, and has been less than elite in the two victories, people are on the radio now talking about giving Haskins another shot.  It was the same thing in 2013 with Griffin / Cousins / McCoy.   People wanted to trade Kerrigan for 'any return' because we have talent at the position.... meanwhile he's a legacy player who is the current sack leader in franchise history.  

I am not a Kirk guy, believe me... I did not want to pay him what he ultimately got, but he's been the most consistent and successful QB this team has seen in 30 years...  outside of maybe Mark Brunnell. 

15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

They beat the Titans on the road and blew out the Browns who are both 8-3.

We were beating Cleveland 20-17 to start the 4th quarter when we played them, and Sept / Oct Derrick Henry is not Nov / Dec Derrick Henry.  Tennessee lost to Cincinnati  the week after they lost to Pittsburgh.  

Baltimore dominated Pittsburgh defensively but Lamar Jackson gave the game away.

The original point was also how Pittsburgh has gone up against a lot of bad defenses.  Tennessee and Cleveland don't have defenses on the same level as Baltimore.  

3 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

This board seems to self-destruct more when we’re playing well than when we’re a 53 man trainwreck. It’s almost like we don’t know how to handle winning.

Thats because it's either Super Bowl or start over.  A lot of this teams fans are completely comfortable getting upset until we have the best 22 starters in the NFL... It's the Madden mentality unfortunately... no growth or nuance.  Players are viewed to be what they are with no development assumed.  Terry McLaurin is beloved because he came out on fire.. 

4 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

Cool, I'm going to smoke now. I skipped work for a reason.

I did hear on 106.7 that, arguably, the Steelers have been up against some of the worst defenses this year on top of having the easiest schedule of any team. I don't think they're as bullet proof as people think, but I haven't seen many of their games this year. I'm hoping Young and the rest of the defense can feast on them and help out our offense as much as possible.

That's very true... The best team they've beat is the Ravens.  This past weeks can't be used as a barometer but if you look at their first matchup... Pittsburgh was not impressive.  They only reason they even had a chance in that game was because Lamar Jackson did his best imitation of Rex Grossman for some god awful reason.   

Ben is going to get the ball out quick.  If i'm not mistaken, he has the fastest snap to release average in the NFL, so expect a lot of what we saw in the first half vs. the Bengals... unfortunately.  The D-line and DBs are going to have to make plays... This is the type of game that we need Young and Sweat to take over if we can use the pass rush to our advantage.... 

1 minute ago, Simmsy said:

1. Sorry I put an "S" on his last name.

2. A lot of posters on this board and fans in general felt the same way I did about Young...which means they don't know a lot about football. If admitting I was wrong about him because I didn't know enough to make an accurate assessment is considered smarmy. Then I apologize.

 

 

 

it's all good bud, just some crap talking on a message board.  

2 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

Dude, I never mean't to give off the impression that I thought we should go for Burrow or anyone else. If that was how my post was interpreted, than that is my fault. However, I think I've at least tried to explain what I was trying to say and it isn't that hard to understand. I don't know, maybe the third time will be the charm?

 

I did feel that Young wasn't performing to the level of expectations of such a high draft pick. There was a lot of talk that he was overrated and I was really starting to buy into that sentiment. However, when you have a professional (not me) break down his play and effect on the defense for the everyday fan (me), you can see how valuable he is to the team and will be for the foreseeable future. People like me who don't study the film or watch that intensely, don't see a lot of the nuance he brings to the defense, we see sacks and tackles. When we don't see that, we wonder "Where is Chase?". It wasn't just myself, it was all over the radio, tv and even on this board. 

 

We took a vote, his name is Burrows now. I'll show you the votes later...

I'm not pounding you for your opinion, it was the tone of your post that opened you up to people making light of some of the things you've posted.  What you feel about Chase Young has nothing to do with the cracks people are taking..  It's LITERALLY insinuating that you're smarter than the average football fan...  Then the smarmy crack about a lot of people on this board not knowing anything about football either was a little bit of a spotlight on yourself for some humor.  People were giving you a hard time because of it... hence the guy who asked if you know a lot about football or not... or the guy referencing him saying he 'burrows underground to avoid having to play another down behind that OL'  

This DB talk has me thinking, and don't get me wrong, I 100% am happy we made the move to get out of the Josh Norman project, but THIS defense is the type of defense that he thrived in with Carolina... Zone coverage, eyes in the backfield with a good pass rush.  He was never meant to be put on an island... he doesn't have the speed for it.

Not saying I want him back, we overpaid, but we also didn't use him correctly.  Had he been in THIS defense for 4 years, I think the opinions of him are different. 

2 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

Let me explain...no, there is too much, let me sum up:

 

April - September -  1. OMGZ CHASE YOUNG WILL BREAK ALL SACKZ!!

Week 2 - 2. WHERE ARE THE SACKZ?!?!?!?!

Week 8 - 3. OMGZ CHASE YOUNG IS A BUSSST!!!! SHOULD OF TAKEN JUSTIN BURROZ OR JOE HERBERZ!!!

Week 12 - 4.  HE HAD A SACK!!! LT!!

Fixed it. 

1 minute ago, Riggo#44 said:

 

You don't have to wait for Sunday to do that, just scroll through the Haskins, CY threads.

You mean this thread isn't 169 pages deep of people talking about how good he is?  

1 hour ago, Simmsy said:

Nope, I and I'm starting to notice that a lot of people on this board are in the same boat. 

When you post like this

On 11/30/2020 at 12:58 PM, Simmsy said:

I have to admit, I know more than the average football fan, but that isn't really saying much. Most people need to SEE someone do something, otherwise, they aren't doing anything. A few weeks ago, fans were saying we should've went for Burrows over Young and that Young was overrated and went too high. I started to think that too, but once you have a professional point out and break it down for the average football mind. Young will be an asset for a very long time.

Then misspell the name of the player that you are referencing while saying we should have gone after Burrow instead of Young when Burrow wasn't even on the board, you're subjecting yourself to a ton of jokes.... 

4 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Everyones all breakfast drunk, just mashing their keyboards without reading replies, unless calling someone an idiot or moron. 

 

It's a blast.

Of course!  Then again when you try to reply out of excitement the thread has aged 5 pages of all the people saying the same thing you are... there's probably 300 posts of people just saying "TERRY!" or "SACK!" lol 

2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Half the people in the game day thread **** and moan and say they're never watching this stupid team ever again, then watch the rest of the game every week. It's a pop off thread, so people say dumb **** like drafting Burrowz. It's when the average fan goes stupid for 3 hours.

Mon - Sat - "We have to build the team, be patient, trust the process"

Sun -  "WTF RON, THIS IS WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE CUT AP!  HOW DARE YOU!"

3 hours ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

Only takes like 30 years.  Champagne should be well aged if you can find under the dust bunnies. 

yeah but that second bottle was only aged about a year  

3 minutes ago, RichmondRedskin88 said:

Burrows was the number one pick thus  picked before we picked Young and the guy you were calling out was being extremely sarcastic.

 

You are the weakest link. Goodbye. 

but there was more than 1... hence the 's'....?

26 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

I have to admit, I know more than the average football fan, but that isn't really saying much. Most people need to SEE someone do something, otherwise, they aren't doing anything. A few weeks ago, fans were saying we should've went for Burrows over Young and that Young was overrated and went too high. I started to think that too, but once you have a professional point out and break it down for the average football mind. Young will be an asset for a very long time.

Burrow?  You mean Herbert?  Burrow went no. 1 overall to Cincy, we didnt pick Young over Burrow. 

On 11/16/2020 at 6:19 PM, Skinsinparadise said:

I watched most of the defensive drives just now from yesterday.  I got burnt out, so didn't feel like watching the last 2 drives.  On my count Chase was doubled 16 times leading to those last 2 drives.  And I'd hazard a guess that he ended up doubled 20 times in the end give or take -- if I had the energy to go through the last two drives when the Lions were clearly passing like crazy.

 

Some of these doubles had the running back or TE chip him to help the tackle but most of them were outright 2 guys on him the whole time.   So if Chase is some failure, the rest of the NFL isn't catching on. 😀  That's who the Lions primarily focused on stopping.  So maybe PFF is on to something (Cooley, too) where he's affecting the game even when he isn't loading up on sacks.   I think the sacks will come.  I recall some lamenting about Sweat ironically last year.  Rookie DE's tend to take time.  But at a minimum, its clear as heck opposing offensive coordinators are spooked by him. 

 

I actually noticed some tendencies based on these doubles.  He wasn't typically doubled on running plays or quick 3 step throws that went in the opposite direction of whereever Chase was. 

 

 

found it, here is the screen grabs of the Detroit game

3 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

I went back and counted the double teams against Detroit. Did you do the same? Well since I can assume you did not let me inform you that he was double teamed by design exactly 4 times for the entire game, on 2 others a guard and a back slid over late when they had nobody else to block but that was not a designed double team.  After reading a post claiming Chase was fighting off double and triple teams I started to watch the Bengals but my wife came in. I can report that on the first drive he faced exactly 1 double team, but I have not watched it all and will let you know the final tally.

 

The truth is in the plays I have charted the vast majority he was in fact blocked one on one by the tackle.  You don't need to know the play design to see that.  

I have not, i was going by screen grabs that another poster went through and put on a handful of pages back... 

15 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

Agreed. That's what places like this is for. And for the record I'll state again I have zero concern that he will meet expectations at some point.

I will say that a lot of the conversation is predicated on opinion, but there are subjects that can be rebutted based on fact.. like claims that Young is getting beat 1 on 1 the vast majority of the time, and that simply is not true.. because we don't know the playcall, the gap run responsibility, or any number of factors that could be beat by a single blocker.. a lot of this side of the conversation, as one of the posters pointed out with screen grabs in the game vs Detroit, is just making a case contradicting claims that we feel are just incorrect.