Stone Cold

Yeah, I’m in the no retread boat myself if we can somehow get our hat in the top 7-8.  When the season began, I was in favor of getting cam after his one year of no fun playing for bellichick.  But cams done.  
 

I’m not that sold on fields like most.  I don’t like the way he plays when rattled and I think that osu o really hides some of his flaws.  
 

idk....Wilson could be a stud.  It’s possible.  I like the idea of taking Jones, keeping our pics and riding with Alex til Jones is ready.  I think we’re built for that kind of qb.  The mobility thing bothers me a little too, but as long as he doesn’t prove pocket fumble prone, I’ll take the good with the bad.  Seems like he has the inner clock that would allow him to throw the ball away quickly to avoid too many sacks

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

lol, just read a mock, I hope its not true, Mac is my favorite fallback QB, I need him to drop versus go early. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2021-nfl-mock-draft-mac-jones-third-qb-off-the-board-chargers-land-tight-end-with-no-4-pick/

 

PROJECTED TEAM Carolina

PROSPECT RNK 31st

POSITION RNK 5th

 

We're going to be saying this until draft night: the NFL is higher on Mac Jones than the media and by the time it's all said and done he could find himself a top-10 pick. He's played at a high level each week and while he's a traditional pocket passer there will be a market for his services from plenty of QB-needy teams.

Id happily take him with our 1st and keep it movin with Alex til Jones is ready.  

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I am not a Minshew guy.    I think there is likely going to be a bidding war for the #3 QB in the draft either Fields or Wilson.  Reason being Cincy and SD right now are slated for the #3 and #4 spot in the draft and IMO Fields/Wilson are too good for them to just skip over the opportunity to get a bounty for them.  If so, within reason I might entertain trading up.

 

If not, if I had to run with a dude who might fall to our first round pick, I might ride with Mac Jones.  There are no likely veterans that tempt me at the moment.  Maybe Rivers but I am not enamored with him.  I think the veteran pickings are likely slim.

 

I’m a Jones guy as well.  Very cerebral qb.  Could easily fall and could easily develop into a solid starting caliber qb a la Alex smith

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree.  It's hard to keep a band together of top players for long.  Ultimately, Allen, Sweat, Young, McLaurin might all become 20 million dollar plus players.  Scherff 15 million?  I can go on.  That's why for example the Seattle defense had to break up eventually.  Yet, they've still be consistently good because of Russell Wilson.

 

We aren't going to have all this young talent on the cheap forever.  It's going to break up at some point and won't be the same.    A PFF guy explained this once well in an interview on a local station which is defenses are hard to keep together or at least be consistently good whereas offenses are easier to keep some consistency.  Obviously there are some exceptions like the Ravens but the Ravens' ride wasn't all smooth either.    The Steelers have been paying Big Ben and maintaining a good defense.  Their secret seems to be letting their offensive playmakers go and just killing it in the draft and bringing replacements. 

 

Bringing it back to us, I think if we 2-3 years from now start breaking up the band and all we do in that period is match what we've done the previous highmarks of Dan's era which is 9-7, maybe 10-6 tops along with a first round exit from the playoffs it would be a shame because I think this is a unique window.   And if we can find even a good QB, I think we can get to the promised land potentially.   

 

We can bank on the exceptions like Jacksonville in 2017 almost doing it with Blake Bortles or hope an average QB gets hot like Foles with the Eagles but those aren't the norms.  I'd rather bank on the odds by trying it the normal way that typically works and also tends to have legs that go beyond just that season's success. 

Speaking of bortles/jax ...your thoughts on minshew as a flyer for a year or two?...whether it be behind Alex or ahead of him.  

1 hour ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

Montez Sweat very well might have the absolute best size / speed ratio in the NFL. He's close. You don't see him full out sprint often but good lord when he does

literally a defensive d.k. 

Chase Young is OUR NFLs problem.  And it feels so damn good.

Gibbbaaayyyy!!!

Alex gets thru his reads super quick and gets the ball out. Unless there’s immediate inside pressure, Alex is gonna get the ball to someone.  
 I’ve had my reservations regarding Alex but I’m happy to acknowledge that his playing style marries well with what turners offense appears to be tryin to do.  
....is it possible we’re....improving?...lol

I think he’s a rhythm runner that can eventually wear down defenses.  He’s also dynamic enough to turn swing passes and screens into long gainers.  I’d just prefer to see more of him and way less barber.  Really the only spell given is the occasional 3d nod to jd.  just my opinion and I am no head coach.  I just see a potential bell cow

Game plan should be 25-30 touches for gibson.  He is a 3 down back.  Are we easing him in or is his knowledge of the playbook limited?  Get that man his touches either via handoff or in space and let him do work.  Outside of F1, he is our only weapon and I think we way underutilize him

Time to shine fella.  Pretty please, with sugar on top, carpe diem & make us forget what we just lost.   ....it’s your shot.....don’t waste it.  Ball.

I say winnable according to matchups.  We match up well with our division opponents and I believe we match up well with the lions, bengals & panthers.  
 

as has been stated tho, we lose a lot of winnable games...hell, we just dropped a winnable one to NY.  
 

that said, we could just as well shut down sf’s ground game and give Big Ben a run for his money with a lackluster offensive line.  
 

We excel at stopping the run.  We also excel at stopping the pass.  We get destroyed in short games and mobile qbs.  Those styles mute our pass rush.  

the key is for our offense to continue to convert 3d downs and take shots when they are there.  Don’t force anything.  Get the ball to playmakers in space and let them run.  Sims will be back soon.  That’s gonna give us a whole new element we’ve sorely missed

3 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Steelers are an ensured loss.  They are one of the best teams in the NFL.  Ditto Seattle.  San Fran might be a game if the defense shows up, but who knows.

If we lose one of the games we’re supposed to win, the sf game is the one I’d be lookin to steal

Just now, Cooleyfan1993 said:

6? Hmm....

Giants

lions?

Bengals 

Ciwboys 

panthers

 and Eagles

 

is that your 6? Cause if so, i agree. 

Precisely.  That is doable if we get healthy in places and continue to gel offensively.  It’s 2020...why not us?

20 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Humor me. 

Assuming that 7 wins can get the division and that we will sweep out the East...where do we get our 6th/7th wins?

 

 

I see 6 very winnable games remaining.  We lose to the 49ers, Steelers and seahawks.  The rest are very winnable.  That’ll put us at 8-8

2 minutes ago, TheShredder said:

DK Metcalf can. 

 

unfair how big and fast dk is.  That dude is a cheat code

If we can’t get Lawrence, we should sign Cam.

No thanks to AJG.  Why do WE, of all teams, think a player with injury history is goin to magically come in WFT park and be healthy?  Y’all killing me with this.  

Let’s dominate today.  Time to show the league we are well on our way back

Our interior has to set the tone.  We have the wolves...let’s let em hunt

Honestly, the right side has been very underwhelming.  Not sure what’s up with the sheriff and Moses...esp Moses.  I think we’re closer than we think...in developing our eventual backup talent.  We need ol help....lots of it

Pressure up front is the key for us imo.  With chase et al collapsing the edges, there’s nowhere for qbs to step up.  If we can execute this properly, we don’t have to send xtra folk all the time.  Pressure with 4...consistent pressure...is what they need to consistently produce

Can Simms gunnin the way he is will keep him a spot.  When his number is called on offense, he has to perform.  I believe he can and will

I’m doin the same.  Need a rb to have a game today and I’m betting on gibson

 finally have full confidence the throw away pics era is over.  Gone are the days of having 3 pics and you use one of them (the 3d rounder) on a steal of a fb that’s gonna fight his guts out.  😂  Yaaaaaaaaay draft depth!

8 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

I don't think Sweat has a sullied reputation with fans. He came on late in the year and looked better as the year went on. He was effective vs the run. Seven sacks from a rookie is nothing to sneeze at. If anything, I don't think people pouted about the Sweat selection until we were sitting in the 2nd round looking at everyone that would have been available if we still had that pick. 

Sweat I think was a really good choice. I think he was worth the trade up and that we won't have any regrets long term. I'd love to see him training in the summer with Chase Young and the Bosas and working on his hands and pass rush plan. This DL has a lot of pieces that are very complementary and Chase Young could be the piece that makes the machine hum. 

We need to get him downhill.  Play him downhill and see what happens.