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On March 15, 2017 at 1:13 PM, twa said:
Might be a few state's AG's hanging instead.
If that happens. As god is my judge. I will declare war.
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15 minutes ago, twa said:
You don't find it amusing the folk trying to use RICO are having RICO used against t
Gonna get funnier soon
No. I find it a pathetic attempt by the fossil fuel industry to deflect from their own wrong doing.
Yeah, I'm going to laugh my ass off when Trump and his Reich hang for treason and corruption.
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TWA - That's what you've got? An article posted by a far right propaganda site and a law suite filed by a right wing energy company funded think tank?
http://www.energyandpolicy.org/energy-environment-legal-institute/
QuoteThe Energy & Environment Legal Institute (E&E Legal) is a coal funded nonprofit think tank [formerly the American Tradition Institute (ATI)] that engages in litigation and policy research to “hold accountable those who seek destructive government regulation that’s based on agenda-driven policy making, junk science, and hysteria.” The coal funding is revealed in documents filed as part of bankruptcy process by both Arch Coal and Alpha Natural Resources, two of the largest coal producers in the country.
E&E Legal’s website at one time stated it “is part of a broader network of groups with close ties to energy interests that have long fought greenhouse gas regulation,” although that text has now been removed.
E&E Legal’s senior leadership has ties to fossil fuel interests as well: David Schnare, a fossil fuel-funded pundit with connections to the Heartland Institute, State Policy Network, and other front groups; and Chris Horner, a fossil fuel-funded climate denier who works at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The Competitive Enterprise Institute is an advocacy group with ties to tobacco and global warming disinformation campaigns, and that has also been subpoenaed by the attorney general of the U.S. Virgin Islands. The island territory is demanding to see records of the group’s donors and activities involving climate policy since the attorney general is looking into the actions of ExxonMobil’s undermining of the scientific concerns of climate change science.
E&E's bull**** claim is some sort of collusion. A reminder of what collusion looks like...
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?cycle=2016&ind=E01
QuoteSince the 1990 election cycle, more than two-thirds of this sector's contributions to candidates and party committees has gone to Republicans. Besides oil and gas, the electric utilities industry is another big donor in this sector. Less generous, but even more partisan, is the mining industry. [Read more Background]
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New York attorney general: Tillerson used 'Wayne Tracker' email at Exxon to discuss climate
QuoteTillerson has significant sway over climate change issues as secretary of state. He could, for example, negotiate a U.S. exit from the Paris climate agreement. During confirmation hearings, the former oil man refused to answer questions about whether Exxon had ever downplayed or obscured climate research.
He is far from being a climate change denier, however. With Tillerson as CEO, Exxon acknowledged in 2006 that climate change is a problem. The company later endorsed a carbon tax and backed the Paris climate agreement.
Lets clarify....
ExxonMobil: New Disclosures Show Oil Giant Still Funding Climate Science Denial Groups
QuoteOrganisations including the American Enterprise Institute, the American Legislative Exchange Council and the National Black Chamber of Commerce — all organisations with a record of misinformation on climate science — all received grants in 2015 from ExxonMobil. The 2015 tally brings the total amount of known Exxon funding to denial groups north of $33 million since 1998.
Since 1997, ExxonMobil has been releasing reports annually listing donations to public policy groups — several of which were engaged in a public misinformation campaign on climate change science.
In 2007, after years of criticism, ExxonMobil claimed to have turned a corner on the science.
In a corporate responsibility report, the company said: “In 2008, we will discontinue contributions to several public policy groups whose position on climate change could divert attention from the important discussion on how the world will secure energy required for economic growth in an environmentally responsible manner.”
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Six irrefutable pieces of evidence that prove climate change is real
QuoteThe facts are these: The climate of our planet is changing at a pace unlike anything seen in the natural fluctuations traced across geological records, and scientists have overwhelmingly traced this global warming trend to human activity.
Unless you’re a supercomputer, you’ll find it virtually impossible to keep an eye on every single indicator of climate change. Here are a few that scientists use to monitor the planet:
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Just who are these 300 'scientists' telling Trump to burn the climate?
QuoteIf you read the headlines, it might have seemed impressive: “300 Scientists Tell Trump to Leave UN Climate Agreement.” Wow, 300 scientists. That’s a lot right? Actually, it’s a pitiful list.
First of all, hardly anyone on the list was a climate scientist; many were not even natural scientists. It is almost as though anyone with a college degree (and there are about 21 million enrolled in higher education programs just in the USA) was qualified to sign that letter.
Okay but what about the signers of the letter? Surely they are experts in the field? Not so much....
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8 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said:
I couldn't get anything for it, they wouldn't take it, wouldn't really discuss it. I just want it gone out of my house. I'm going to call my local substation and see if they will take it.
Sounds like a plan if that is your choice. Good on you for being responsible.
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12 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said:
I'm thinking of getting a CCL in VA before I move. I have a S&W Bodyguard .38 Special with laser sight. I have small hands and can handle it fine.
I have an AMT Backup ,380 semi auto that I am trying to get rid of. Called pawn shop and a gun retailer and they don't want it. I stopped a cop and asked about turning it into a substation and he didn't know about that.
I refuse to sell it at a gun show because you don't know who's buying it.
Most gun stores will buy used guns, they just won't give you much for them. Maybe you should just consider keeping it in a safe, secure place at home as a backup. A gun is useless if you cant reach it. -
58 minutes ago, twa said:
Except it would be like denying drivers licenses because you wear glasses or the right to vote while under psychiatric care
No. it isn't. Not in the least.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/james-holmes-theater-shooting-fenton/
btw...
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On February 8, 2017 at 0:40 PM, visionary said:
Took the words right out of my mouth.
My Primary home defense. Walther PPQ 9mm w 2 17 round magazines.
And if that's not enough....
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New EPA head Scott Pruitt's emails reveal close ties with fossil fuel interests
QuoteThe close relationship between Scott Pruitt, the new administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and fossil fuel interests including the billionaire Koch brothers has been highlighted in more than 7,500 emails and other records released by the Oklahoma attorney general’s office on Wednesday.
The documents show that Pruitt, while Oklahoma attorney general, acted in close concert with oil and gas companies to challenge environmental regulations, even putting his letterhead to a complaint filed by one firm, Devon Energy. This practice was first revealed in 2014, but it now appears that it occurred more than once.
The emails also show that American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, an oil and gas lobby group, provided Pruitt’s office with template language to oppose ozone limits and the renewable fuel standard program in 2013. AFPM encouraged Oklahoma to challenge the rules, noting: “This argument is more credible coming from a state.” Later that year, Pruitt did file opposition to both of these regulations.
The letters also show the cosy relationship between Pruitt and the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), the influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses, and other lobby groups sponsored by the Koch brothers, the billionaire energy investors who have spent decades fighting against environmental regulation.
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Landmark suit against the U.S. government replaces Barack Obama as defendant with President Trump, argues that climate action is a constitutional right.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/09022017/climate-change-lawsuit-donald-trump-children
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I see. So if the government research finds that a chemical in food is killing people, they shouldn't actually tell people about it or do anything. ******* genius.
Here's reality: If the facts were on his side, Trump and his oil company buddies would be pushing the information out there. IT'S NOT. So he is suppressing information that taxpayers have paid for.
Trump is a dangerous fool of a dictator, and democracy is dying right before our eyes.
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2 hours ago, Springfield said:
Washington Post urging climate scientists to share research anonymously, as the White House has put a gag order on them.
This is insane. Publicly funded research belongs to the american people.
Ladies and gentlemen. When the government acts to suppress information like this, it's about time for a serious revolution.
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Why 4.5 billion years of fluctuating global temperatures can’t explain climate change today
QuoteIllustrating the rise in global temperatures from 20000 BCE right up to 2016, nothing makes it more clear just how insane things have gotten during the fraction of Earth's timeline that humans have been dominating.
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1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said:1 hour ago, Kilmer17 said:
yes. People die. And some people die because they don't get proper health care. That's happening TODAY even with ACA.
So if 43,000 MORE people die. You're cool with that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/23/repealing-the-affordable-care-act-will-kill-more-than-43000-people-annually/?utm_term=.6c7c4486df7c-
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18 minutes ago, twa said:
What ****?
Saying that because sea levels have been rising since the last ice age proves man made global warming is false is like saying that everyone dies so there is no link between cigarette smoking and cancer. Its a bull****, intellectually empty argument meant to change the subject from your former failed argument.
Your smarmy tone while spouting such bull**** arguments only confirms my assessment of your trollish behavior. -
19 hours ago, twa said:2 minutes ago, twa said:
yes the sea level has been rising since the last little ice age.
Any Idea when the next will begin?
And you go right back to flinging **** against the wall hoping it will stick while ignoring how you were just proven wrong. The behavior of a troll. -
19 hours ago, twa said:
What is made up about any of that post?....don't be myopic.
Did you know severe drought in some areas can cause the earth to wobble and impact currents and thus sea levels?
Did you know NASA already accounts for this an still determines through science that global warming is man made and cause by greenhouse gasses such as carbon and methane?
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/causes/overview
QuoteThe seas of the Earth are rising, a direct result of a changing climate. Ocean temperatures are increasing, leading to ocean expansion. And as ice sheets and glaciers melt, they add more water. An armada of increasingly sophisticated instruments, deployed across the oceans, on polar ice and in orbit, reveals significant changes among globally interlocking factors that are driving sea levels higher.
Yet the globally averaged trend toward rising sea levels masks deeper complexities. Regional effects cause sea levels to increase on some parts of the planet, decrease on others, and even to remain relatively flat in a few places, including, in recent decades, on the California coast. Thermal expansion of seawater can be the product of regional phenomena, such as El Niño, the periodic warming of the eastern tropical Pacific. But some of these regional cycles so far show no direct link to long-term global climate change—despite, at times, independently exerting a powerful short-term influence on global climate.
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/causes/drivers-of-change
QuoteIce loss near the poles is one of the most critical changes pushing sea levels higher, a conclusion supported by data of increasing weight and accuracy. Greenland’s contribution to global sea-level rise is the largest, and increases every decade. Studies suggest that its melt grew from 0.09 millimeters per year between 1992 and 2001, expressed as the global sea-level rise equivalent, to 0.59 millimeters per year between 2002 and 2011 [Velicogna et al, 2014].
Why don't you just admit you were wrong.
BTW...
Quotemy·op·icˌmīˈäpik/adjective-
nearsighted.
synonyms: nearsighted; "a myopic patient"lacking imagination, foresight, or intellectual insight."the government still has a myopic attitude to public spending"synonyms: unimaginative, uncreative, unadventurous, narrow-minded, small-minded, short-term, shortsighted
Cherry picking data that supports your opinion while ignoring data that shreds your argument makes you the myopic one. Not me. -
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http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2504/historical-records-may-underestimate-sea-level-rise/
http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/125/http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
QuoteThe two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The oceans are absorbing more than 90 percent of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity.
With continued ocean and atmospheric warming, sea levels will likely rise for many centuries at rates higher than that of the current century. In the United States, almost 40 percent of the population lives in relatively high-population-density coastal areas, where sea level plays a role in flooding, shoreline erosion, and hazards from storms. Globally, eight of the world's 10 largest cities are near a coast, according to the U.N. Atlas of the Oceans.
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On January 16, 2017 at 5:39 AM, twa said:
Has increased domestic sources of NG reduced our co2 levels or not ?
or have you run back to your safe place
Since you actually attempted to ask a relevant question...
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/05/whats-behind-the-good-news-declines-in-u-s-co2-emissions/
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There are five sectors that use energy and emit carbon dioxide. The largest of these by far are electricity generation and transportation. Electricity generation burns coal, oil, and natural gas, while transportation is primarily oil-based. Industrial is the next largest, consisting of on-site fuel consumption of industrial processes (including on-site electricity generation for internal use), while residential and commercial emissions primarily involve natural gas and oil use for space and water heating.
The largest declines have occurred in the electricity sector, followed by the transportation sector. To analyze what caused these declines, it’s helpful to focus on each sector in depth, creating an alternative scenario in which behaviors, technologies, and fuel mixes stayed at 2005 per-capita values. With this approach, one can examine individual factors in turn to show how much CO2 reduction is attributable to each.
8 hours ago, twa said:Sea levels and tides are certainly changing,as are currents.....the causes and cures are another matter.
Subsidence,plate movements,gravitational pull, rotation and many other things influence it.
Many parts of the East coast are subsiding along with the plate tipping down.
Nature is far from static, as she reminds us daily.....the ground is dissolving beneath Tampa ....wonder why?
the pic is to remind you not to be consumed with one aspect..
And once again you are just making *** up as you go along....
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/causes/overview
QuoteThe seas of the Earth are rising, a direct result of a changing climate. Ocean temperatures are increasing, leading to ocean expansion. And as ice sheets and glaciers melt, they add more water. An armada of increasingly sophisticated instruments, deployed across the oceans, on polar ice and in orbit, reveals significant changes among globally interlocking factors that are driving sea levels higher.
Yet the globally averaged trend toward rising sea levels masks deeper complexities. Regional effects cause sea levels to increase on some parts of the planet, decrease on others, and even to remain relatively flat in a few places, including, in recent decades, on the California coast. Thermal expansion of seawater can be the product of regional phenomena, such as El Niño, the periodic warming of the eastern tropical Pacific. But some of these regional cycles so far show no direct link to long-term global climate change—despite, at times, independently exerting a powerful short-term influence on global climate.
And while Greenland, Antarctica and most of the world’s glaciers are melting, a distinction must be made between glacial discharge into the oceans, a more permanent type of ice loss, and changes in the precipitation and evaporation that is feeding those glaciers and ice sheets, which fluctuate on the scale of decades.
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53 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:
This has got to be in the running for most absurd debate in human history.
It's absurd because there is no debate. Climate denialists are no better than 9/11 conspiracy theorists. They just have more funding.
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NASA, NOAA to Announce 2016 Global Temperatures, Climate Conditions
QuoteClimate experts from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) will provide the annually-scheduled release of data on global temperatures and discuss the most important climate trends of 2016 during a media teleconference at 11 a.m. EST Wednesday, Jan. 18.
The teleconference panelists are:
- Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York
- Deke Arndt, chief of the global monitoring branch of NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information in Asheville, North Carolina
Media can participate in the teleconference by calling 888-323-5258 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 415-228-4837 (international) and use the passcode "climate."
Audio of the briefing, as well as supporting graphics, will stream live at:
NASA and NOAA are two keepers of the world's temperature data and independently produce a record of Earth's surface temperatures, as well as changes based on historical observations over oceans and land.
For more information about NASA's Earth science programs, visit:
I want to sue the republican party for willful denial of scientific evidence about climate change.
in The Tailgate
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The scientist bought by the big oil money are on the whole, not climate scientists. They are often not scientists at all.
When you can show me the equivalent of *this* for scientists who believe in the fact of man made global warming you will have a point. Until then you are just talking more bull****.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2007/feb/02/frontpagenews.climatechange
Meanwhile....
http://www.popsci.com/climate-change-infographic-our-warming-planet?con=TrueAnthem&dom=fb&src=SOC&utm_campaign&utm_content=59be881a04d30153b04c0199&utm_medium&utm_source