MikeB Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Anyone catch the note on the bottom of the Post's Harrington article? Mentions Barber visiting the G-Men! Here's a question, if he signs with them, is that a good swap for the Skins? Guess it depends on the dollars...<br /><br />Check the last paragraph...<br /><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32912-2002Mar3.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32912-2002Mar3.html</a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Here's the pertinent text, for the bandwidth deprived:<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...Redskins Note: Linebacker Shawn Barber is scheduled to visit the New York Giants on Tuesday in New York. Agent Brian Mackler said he has spoken to nine teams regarding Barber, but Barber still is considering re-signing with the Redskins </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 I think your logo takes more bandwidth than the WP article... <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MikeB:<br /><strong>I think your logo takes more bandwidth than the WP article... <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice shot. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Seriously though, it's not a problem is it?<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 03, 2002, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: BallCoachSpurrier ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 And free agent Shawn Barber speaking with other teams is surprising how . . . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aparrish Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Nine teams?!?! and no one is biting? Maybe that 5 million is just a tad too high there buddy... try half that... and that would be lucky... do you deserve more than JA? hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 No way... not a problem...<br /><br />I just couldn't resist <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted March 3, 2002 Author Share Posted March 3, 2002 redman,<br /><br />Just thought it might be a tad ironic if we get Armstead and the Giants land Barber, don't you think?<br /><br />Imagine if one is a bust and the other plays great for his team... you know we will be talking about this for years if it plays out that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Skindiana are you the same guy as IndySkin?? I thought you were because you have a tagline "the artist formerly known as IndySkin". However IndySkin still posts too.<br /><br />I'm confused won't you please put me out of my misery???<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 03, 2002, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: BallCoachSpurrier ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCS:BraveCaringSoul Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MikeB:<br /><strong>No way... not a problem...<br /><br />I just couldn't resist <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool. Didn't want to make it unnecesarily difficult for folks with dialup. Clever joke though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 If Barber stries to resign that would mean that Lavar is playing MLB because I dont see Armstead riding the pine and Pierce should be the first reserve to spell the LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 the fact remains unless a linebacker is of the stature of an Urlacher or Arrington, he is replaceable in today's era of free agency.<br /><br />As with safety, each year there is a glut of veteran linebackers that become available due to financial constraints.<br /><br />In the case of Barber, he obviously is no longer seeking the $5 million bonus because the New York Giants are not a team that traditionally pays large bonuses to more than a couple of players on their team.<br /><br />Certainly the Redskins' signing of Armstead surprised the Barber camp. I am sure they believed they had more leverage and time to work with the Redskins and play other teams off of the Skins' interest.<br /><br />That strategy has been rendered null and void.<br /><br />I don't see any way Barber returns here. Barber is a weakside linebacker and that spot is already filled by Armstead.<br /><br />Even if the Skins went to a 3-4, you need an outside linebacker bigger than 6-0 and 229 to play at that spot.<br /><br />Barber is a nice athlete and comes with some skills but he is never going to be a top flight linebacker in the NFL because he can't stop the run.<br /><br />Barber may indeed have a long NFL career being a cover linebacker and borderline starter/top backup, but he is going to have to accept the fact that big money is not necessarily coming his way. <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aparrish Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 BallCoach... I post here as SkIndiana and Indy skin at CPND. With Indyskinsfan here, I wanted to separate our names a bit more... hopefully that clears things up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 The Giants can't afford what Barber wants. If he's gonna get less money, he might as well stay in D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I don't think there's much to that rumor. I'd bet the WP is simply trying to drum up some offseason intrigue. LB swapping! Who get the better deal! Revenge games! All that nad more ... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />I wouldn't worry about it until he actually signs on the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Barber for Armstead is a good swap for the Skins if it comes off. Armstead is a proven performer and solidifies the front seven against the run on the outside. And he comes at basically the same price as Barber's tender for last season <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Barber considers himself a playmaker but last year proved he must not have been that crucial as the linebackers played quite well without his services.<br /><br />With Arrington and Armstead on the outside we really don't have room for Barber as a starter. If this were the old days before 1993, we would re-sign Barber and have him come off the bench a al Monte Coleman to play on third downs.<br /><br />But we don't have that luxury anymore.<br /><br />Shawn can play in the NFL but he is not a star, not a difference maker.<br /><br />I expect him to get a contract with a base of around $800K to $900K a year with a modest bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I could see why we'd be interested in Barber if his agent comes to his senses.<br /><br />Armstead had what was for him, a sub-par season last year. He had a damaged hamstring that he played through, but it likely hampered his effectiveness. Hammies can sometimes be chronic once you push them too far, that could be a concern with Armstead. So having Barber on the team would take some that worry away.<br /><br />Armstead, for all his ability, isn't the coverage linebacker that Barber is. I could see Lewis set up a scheme whereby Armstead plays run downs and Barber spells him on passing downs - and is used for coverage and blitzing. Look back at Monte Coleman's career for the model I'm thinking of. I thijk Barber could be pretty effective in that role<br /><br />The market may be even softer than it was last year, and there might not be anyplace to go where you can make the money that these guys want. So if you're not getting offers you can't refuse, other factors come to the fore. Playing time might be in issue for Barber with Armstead on board, but his closeness to Arrington, and chance to work with Lewis might negate that.<br /><br />By all accounts, Barber is an extremely hard worker, a serious student, a great locker room presence, and does have a lot of talent. Lewis is also the kind of coach that can get a lot out of his linebackers. So why not keep a talented linebacker if you can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 I just don't think it is realistic to expect Barber to return after the Armstead signing. <br /><br />They play the same spot and every athlete has his pride.<br /><br />Barber will go elsewhere even for less money rather than come back to the Redskins now.<br /><br />You can trust me on that one.<br /><br />The market is indeed soft but Barber will find a home somewhere specifically because he is 26 and has good athleticism.<br /><br />The casualty in all this is Barber's wallet. He isn't going to get much more than his tender from last year, if that.<br /><br />The injury ruined his free agent value that a solid season would have commanded.<br /><br />It is unfortunate he and his agent glossed over that fact of life and continued on as if Shawn had played all 16 games and made a major contribution here in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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