Dirk Diggler Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Tom and Others Marvin Lewis was D Coordinator for Baltimore from 96-01, not 99-01. His first 3 years they were atrocious. Partly due to the complicated scheme, but mostly due to a terrible secondary and marginal D line talent. From 98-2000 they added Duane Starks, Chris McCallister, Rod Woodson, Mike McCrary, and Tony Siragusa. They drafted Lewis in 96, and Boulware and Sharper in 97 so those three studs were just coming into their own by 98. By 98 you had an amazing front seven but a suspect secondary. After they added McCallister in the 99 draft it completed the defense. They were #2 overall that year, #2 in 2000, and #2 last year. Just wanted to get all the facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Darryl and Darrell had better get their noses in a playbook then, no one is paying them to critique the system, if they don't know it yet they are not doing their jobs. Its not like Marvin Lewis is a complete lunatic, he may be overrated, but you can't ignore a Super Bowl ring bought and paid for by his D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focker1636 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Little Danny Snyder won't give Lewis 5 years to make his schemes work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by focker1636 Little Danny Snyder won't give Lewis 5 years to make his schemes work. 5 years? Who would? I think if you don't have a good D by the end of the first year, you either bring in more talent or fire the D Coordinator. I've never seen a D Coordinator look real bad his first year and then turn the D around, and if there was one I'm forgetting, I'm sure it was a question of talent and while we may need some help on the DLine, there is talent on this D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaffeen Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Damn Diggler, I stand corrected.....Sorry Tom.......I just did an hour's worth of research and nobody on the freakin' net can get their facts straight. go check this link out, it's at NFL.com and *they* have it wrong ......http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/WAS.html some reputable sites quote ML as coaching from 99-01.......96-98 are like the "lost years" or something. After reading Diggler's post, I did some more research. I actually found a 1996 Ravens team photo with Marv in there next to Ted Marchibroda. Dig's da' man. I apologize for misleading anyone, I was mislead myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by bulldog hopefully this is the last transition for awhile. But it won't be. We're renting Lewis for one year. He'll likely be a head coach next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theposse Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 I would rather the defense suck right now and be great later in the year and next year than just decent right now and pretty good later in the year. It was never likely that in Spurrier's and Lewis' first years we were going to win the Super Bowl anyway. We didn't bring in Spurrier or Lewis to doubt them after 2 weeks of their first year. I know it's been a long decade of waiting, but jesus, let's give the new coaches more than a couple of weeks before turning on them. I also don't understand why the same people say Lewis sucks, but also say he's definitely gone after this year to be head coach elsewhere. If the D sucks like you're saying all year, why would he be hired? He wasn't in the past 2 years after his D won Baltimore the Super Bowl. I think if you wanted to be most likely to make the playoffs this year, but not win the Super Bowl, we should have stayed with Marty. Spurrier and Lewis required the team to go through a whole new adjustment period, so the 'skins may not make the playoffs, or may not go all the way. But I think there's a much better chance that when we get good, we will get REALLY good and be the kind of team that puts people away. With Marty I think the best we could hope for would be to be like the Bears and be in every game, but also allow any other decent team to be in every game, and be unlikely to win it all because you can't count on winning every game in the 4th quarter, especially if you can't pass. I'll tell you who's looking pretty good right now is Ray Rhodes and the Denver D. But guess what- it's his 2nd year there! And their D wasn't that great last year. Some learning and stability is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by redman But it won't be. We're renting Lewis for one year. He'll likely be a head coach next year. Where??? Would you hire this guy after performances like Monday's? If he can't run a defense, how is he supposed to run a whole team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Did the Ravens ever complain about Lewis' defense being so complicated? How about the Steelers?? Maybe they did and we just didn't notice, but c'mon, this is football guys, not a foreign language. How come we heard nothing during camp?? It seems like all of a sudden the D is complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Originally posted by Larry Brown #43 Thanks for the info Tom, but DAMN that's bad news. Those were just the kind of numbers I was afraid of. By the time our guys figure out this defense they'll have either moved on to other teams or will be past their prime. :gus: Or Snyder would've fire Lewis long before the defense even had a chance to "get it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Redskin Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 The problem with that Tom(giants) is that we can't predict how long some of our key players are going to stay put here. The Ravens defensive players didn't get fat paychecks until after several years of learning the defense and becoming pro-bowl players. Unfortunately, we already have pro-bowl players (even though they didn't play like it monday), and some of those players have already received fat paychecks.:shootinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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