s0crates Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I'd be surprised if we could get any better than a third round pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzle Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I would trade the Giants to get Hasselbeck back as our backup, I thought he was decent. Not sure what we could get for Ramsey right now, cant imagine his value is very high. I thought I was the only one who liked Hasselbeck. Granted he's no superstar but I thought he showed something BTW just for the record :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 week six if we can get a decent pick or defensive linemen. otherwise keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 If nothing else, that was an interesting analogy with the guns and QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EberKain Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I think we keep him, we need a guy with some actual NFL playtime for backup. You really think the 35 year old Brunell will last all season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 s0crates wrote ....I'd be surprised if we could get any better than a third round pick for him.[Ramsey] What would we get if we offered Brunnell in trade? Bellylaughs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joncevensen Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 why would we trade ramsey? his escalators have never kicked in cuz he hasnt held on to the starting job long enough! so he is making minimuim wage for his credited years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASPM Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 His biggest problem is that he takes to long in the pocket and hes too jumpy, and because of that he throws many interceptions, and i dont think he was that bad in the spurrier offense, but last yr and the beginning of this yr has been a nightmare for me to watch him on the field, so i say we trade him for a player NOT a draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwater Ally Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 so i say we trade him for a player NOT a draft pick Player for player trades are very rare in the NFL these days. It would be a lot more difficult to pull off. What do you have against getting a draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Blocker Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 No way. If you trade him now, you are one hit away from starting a rookie for the rest of the season. Gibbs can't let that type of decision put the team in that kind of a situation. The squad would go from potential contenders to rebuilding with one hit. Plus, there are no quality vets available in free agency now that you could plug in as the backup and expect to win if they need to start. It is better to ride the wave of hard feelings now and make a decision in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 The best scenario for Ramsey and the Redskins is that, when Brunnell fails, Pat comes in and demonstrates that he is an NFL caliber starter. Then he's worth something in trade in the offseason. There is no scenario that I can imagine where he stays with this organization given our cap problems and the fact that Gibbs has handpicked Jason Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwater Ally Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 The same has been said about every quarterback who played for a losing team. Give a QB pass protection, well-designed pass plays, receivers who run precise routes and can get open, and a coach who calls a smart game. THEN if he's inconsistent, you know it's his fault. I think the same has been said about every Skins quarterback in recent memory. Throw 20 TD and they love you, throw one interception, and suddenly you're inconsistent. If I'm a general manager, looking for bargains in personnel...shopping for mismanaged talent from losing clubs...I've got Patrick Ramsey flagged. Exactly! Want to know why former Skins always become stars with other teams? Its because we shell out an arm and a leg for players like Brunell, while our homegrown talent gets marginalized and isn't allowed to develop (ie Ramsey never being given a full season to start with a good system and stable situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwater Ally Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 The best scenario for Ramsey and the Redskins is that, when Brunnell fails, Pat comes in and demonstrates that he is an NFL caliber starter. Then he's worth something in trade in the offseason. Thats what I hope happens. And at that point, I'd rather just trade Brunell, but because of the cap, we're stuck with him until he's 50. Thanks Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmic Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Yes I would, but not this year. We need some experience behind our starter amen finally a voice of reason :helmet: :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamingwolf Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 underwater ally registration date is 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
318 SKIN Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 why would we trade ramsey? his escalators have never kicked in cuz he hasnt held on to the starting job long enough! so he is making minimuim wage for his credited years. Sorry, but he did get a large portion of his incentives in 03 and a some in 04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcameronmk Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Release Ramsey and sign a fa. Let Cambell start. That'll teach him to talk diplomatic smack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I would trade the Giants to get Hasselbeck back as our backup, I thought he was decent. Not sure what we could get for Ramsey right now, cant imagine his value is very high. I don't know why everybody was so high on him in the firstplace. Didn't we lose to Dallas like 49-0 with him at the helm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmiJo Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I was hoping we would do a Ramsey/Boller straight-trade, but not sure how injured Boller really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinzelwashington Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 I think the same has been said about every Skins quarterback in recent memory. Throw 20 TD and they love you, throw one interception, and suddenly you're inconsistent.Exactly! Want to know why former Skins always become stars with other teams? Its because we shell out an arm and a leg for players like Brunell, while our homegrown talent gets marginalized and isn't allowed to develop (ie Ramsey never being given a full season to start with a good system and stable situation). how hard is it, to complete a pass with all the time ramsey gets in the pocket? and he still misses..hes in the nfl, hes suppose to be on point more than 52% of his passes... Or he's just not good under pressure. he wants competition, competitions is what he gets from brunell.. either you reduce the turnovers on gameday or you lose your job. period! gibbs indecisiveness has won 3 SB's, with 3 q/bs. dont you think gibbs knows what hes doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalBroccoli Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I don't think we should trade ramsey. And we haven't seen the last of him yet because when Brunell gets injured in like week 4 Ramsey will go in and start and play great because he will be auditioning for a new job and if he doesn't play good when he comes in then absolutely nobody will want him and he will be out of the league forever. If anyone picks him up after that he will be like 3rd string qb in like Arizona which is like witness protection program of the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefre1217 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 how hard is it, to complete a pass with all the time ramsey gets in the pocket? and he still misses..hes in the nfl, hes suppose to be on point more than 52% of his passes... Or he's just not good under pressure. he wants competition, competitions is what he gets from brunell.. either you reduce the turnovers on gameday or you lose your job. period! gibbs indecisiveness has won 3 SB's, with 3 q/bs. dont you think gibbs knows what hes doing... you over look one major point, it isnt 1991 anymore and Gibbs hasnt shown anything but Poor offensive scheme last year, poor playcalling, poor clock management, Poor decision to sign MB, poor decision to over compensate for CP (then later admitting Betts was better than he thought) frankly GIbbs has made alot more mistakes than successes since his return, if it werent for those 3 SB trophies, he;d be gone already. PR most cetainly does turn the ball over more, he also moves the ball more than MB could possibly dream of. When has JG ever let a QB stay in there an struggle while gaining experience? NEVER!! and that isnt likely to change when JC gets his chance. There is one major point everyone is overlooking. The things JG used to be the absolute best at (injury reserve stashing, motion, playcalling, etc) he cant do in todays NFL. heck he isnt even calling plays anymore, This coach isnt going to be able to take the Skins where we want to go unless someone figures out how to make it 1991 again! I know most here dont like what I just said and frankly I dont like it either, but it is unfortunetly how it is IMO. As for trading PR? I think if JG has any of the integrity he requires from his players, after how he treated PR, he owes him that atleast, let him move on with his career with some other coach, willing to actually give him the shot when it is promised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4L Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 If he doesn't want to be a Redskins, then there should be a trade.l If the Redskins don't want him, then there should be a trade. It's unfair to him, he has potential. He may never turn the corner but we will never know in this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4L Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 you over look one major point, it isnt 1991 anymore and Gibbs hasnt shown anything but Poor offensive scheme last year, poor playcalling, poor clock management, Poor decision to sign MB, poor decision to over compensate for CP (then later admitting Betts was better than he thought) frankly GIbbs has made alot more mistakes than successes since his return, if it werent for those 3 SB trophies, he;d be gone already. PR most cetainly does turn the ball over more, he also moves the ball more than MB could possibly dream of. When has JG ever let a QB stay in there an struggle while gaining experience? NEVER!! and that isnt likely to change when JC gets his chance. There is one major point everyone is overlooking. The things JG used to be the absolute best at (injury reserve stashing, motion, playcalling, etc) he cant do in todays NFL. heck he isnt even calling plays anymore, This coach isnt going to be able to take the Skins where we want to go unless someone figures out how to make it 1991 again! I know most here dont like what I just said and frankly I dont like it either, but it is unfortunetly how it is IMO.As for trading PR? I think if JG has any of the integrity he requires from his players, after how he treated PR, he owes him that atleast, let him move on with his career with some other coach, willing to actually give him the shot when it is promised! 1991? Our heyday was in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Hunter #21 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I would if we were gonna get something good in return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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