Just giving a heads up.

This old geezer may not be as sharp and as energetic as he once was, but he's still got something left. It just takes a bit longer for the oil to get up to the crank case these days.

Anyways, I've been working (on and off) on a comprehensive post-draft poll the past week.

I hope you guys and gals like it, and take it. Been putting a lot of thought into it.

I realized after day one of the draft and the reactions of some, that it was best to wait a while before I posted a new poll.

While the majority were fine, some people's feelings were really raw, for good reason, and I was very mindful of that.

I noticed that even a few of our very best posters/members were hurting bad.

The forum needed time, not some poll that might be interpreted as rudely twisting a knife that was already stuck deep in their belly.

I couldn't add to anyone's pain. We all heal in our own way, and in our own time.

Anyways, it's been a week for things to sink in and I think we'll get less emotional/angry responses now, than we would have a week ago.

Semper Veritas! Above all I seek the truth. 

My intention is to post the poll by Friday.

Which means, if anybody has any suggestions, including possible questions or areas of concern please post them here and put @CommanderInTheRye along with it so I won't  miss it.

I hope this turns out well.

Cheers!

EDIT:

I have a major question for anyone that can answer it:

Is there a way to end the polling at a certain time/date, and if so how do I do it?

53 minutes ago, Conn said:

 

When good old "Hot Take Freddy" is giving one of his patented world famous "hot takes", there's only two things a discerning man can do--

1. Listen closely.

2. Believe whatever you hear.

👍 

24 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

On topic

 

 

I think our overall game plan for year one of the Daniels era, is to focus on playing solid takeaway defense combined with a consistent running game on offense.

So that we won't be put in positions where we get behind quickly and are forced to rely on the passing game-- and our less than stellar o-line for protection.

They'll likely use Jayden's arm and running ability judiciously, so as to lessen the pressure on the young man, as he adjusts to the pro game.

Essentially, the exact opposite strategy of what our former dynamic duo, of Rivera and Bienemy, asked of Howell last season.

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JP Finlay previews Friday's upcoming rookie mini-camp.

Gg

11 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

A little to close for comfort to the 'Wolf's Lair' and would never fly

Hey, a man is still allowed to dream in this crazy mixed up world, aint he? 🤪

21 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Coming from someone who doesn't care about the name one way or another.  I still think it happens.

 

Keim who seems to have some inkling about what this ownership is thinking -- said before this off season he doesn't expect it to happen this off season but he seemed to suggest maybe afterwards.   Trying to recall what reporter said this but I think it was Keim who said more or less this ownership doesn't like to half-speed any task. 

 

If they do it they go full out.  Hence the comeback to the hit said by some that you can walk and chew gum at the same time.  From what I gathered they feel like they have enough balls in the air right now.  But I suspect they eventually will get to this too.

 

I do think though an underrated aspect of lack of merchandise sales is what jersey are people buying?  People rushing to get their Emmanuel Forbes and Ricky Stromberg after the draft?  Or Wylie after FA.

 

Bruce and Ron weren't just incompetent but also were very boring.    Nothing worse I think from a marketing standpoint to be both "meh" and boring.  I recall Odell Beckham saying after he left the Giants that he kept their brand-fans interested even when they were losing and there is value to that.  This team didn't have that Beckham during the losing.  

 

Daniels if he lights it up, I think might change this dynamic.  Will see.

 

 

I'm visualizing a dual same day announcement, as early as next off season--

Josh Harris pimp walks to the podium, wearing hi heeled gators, a sparkling pinkie diamond ring, blackout shades, and an Al Davis style custom fit leather jacket  and says, "I'm proud to announce that the RFK stadium sight, soon to be renamed "The Wolf's Den", will be the new home of the Washington Red Wolves!"

Keim says Jayden's new number is essentially a done deal. Will be announced officially at a later date.

Video says it's members only, but it showed up on my reccomends this morning and it works.

Maybe they're giving it away free to drum up interest.

I love Keim, but paying extra for a youtube vid, at this stage of my life, would eat into my Colt 45 money. 😆

Maybe some of you big time youngins with disposable income can do it...

Hh

Spoiler space for those bottom liners not interested in watching the vid-- he spills the beans within the first 2 minutes.

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JD5, it is!

New Hoffman interview of Keim on what was really going on privately behind the scenes at Commanders Park while they were publicly telling everyone that they hadn't made a decision which qb they wanted to draft...

When it comes to the o-line I'm starting to get desperate.

If I were calling the shots I'd be tempted to pull a Dr. Frankenstein and tell Igor to "Fetch me a fresh body!"

According to this new report we just might be working on a fresh body right now.

Take a deep breath and hold your nose before you read who it is though...

Washington Commanders Scout ‘Best Fit’ Ex-Chiefs Tackle Donovan Smith

 Brent Edward

18 minutes ago, oraphus said:

I understood your post just fine...and it wasn't aimed at only you.. but also other posters who tend to defend or explain away Rons mistakes. 

 

It sounds like you're putting most of the blame on Snyder.. and while i agree that working for Snyder was no cakewalk.. it was not an "impossible situation" you make it out to be, and Rivera made his own bed with his own decisions that had little Snyder influence.

I think the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that nobody could win with Snyder as the owner over the long haul, but who cares. lol

My last inflection on this argument will be to remind you that the entire reason for my posting anything at all on this subject was Rivera's self-serving statement, and my belief that it was the final act of a desperate man, well beyond reason, hope, or personal career redemption.

Regardless, this is a minor skirmish in an insignificant battle that's already been fought and won. 

Snyders gone, Rivera's gone, I suggest we conclude this cordially by saying-- good riddance to both of them! 

Onward and upward with a new cast of warriors. 

That's the battle we need to fight-- not some tempest in an old discarded  teapot.

Cheers!

43 minutes ago, oraphus said:

why is there this constant need to defend and make excuses for Rivera on this board like he is a bullied kid in the play yard? 

he didn't step in to a good situation with a crappy owner.. true, but everything else is his own doing!

1. Generally idiotic statements in the media and in the press, that frankly intelligent GMs just don't do

2. Criminal roster contraction and management

3. Atrocious drafting all around

4. Terrible hiring decisions of coaches and then giving them too much control

5. idiotically blind loyalty to players and coaches that didnt deserve it (cheeseman ring a bell?) 

 

He was SO bad as a GM/HC that that i can not find a single positive from his tenure here. This might be an unpopular opinion in this new whiny/ ****y world we now live in, but i also dont accept the "oh but he had cancer" excuse.

If battling cancer was effecting his ability to make proper decisions that much and he is truly the stand up guy that media makes him out to be .. then he should have retired for his own benefit and for the benefit of the team.

I also feel that the whole notion that Rivera is at least a "nice guy" overblown. Not that i really give a crap... Coaches arent paid to be nice guys, they are paid to win. The "nice guy" notion is probably propagated by the players that he keeps on the roster that have no business being there... and the GMs that rake Rivera over the barrel on trades, hang up the phone and then high five each other on how they once again took advantage of this buffoon.

But no, by all means... give him a participation trophy along with the ~30mil in salary that he got from the team and make excuses for poor old Ronnie

 

 

why is there this constant need to defend and make excuses for Rivera... <clip> yada yada repeat of stuff that everyone already knows...

I love the passion!

Just question your comprehension of my original posts intent. 🙂

That could well be my fault, in that I could have explained my position in a way that you might have understood it better. I'll briefly attempt to remedy that now.

I didn't intend, as you put it, to defend or make excuses for Rivera?

He's an adult. He knew the problems that other coaches and GM s had experienced here. No one put a gun to his head. He negotiated a lucrative contract and came here fully aware of the reputational risks involved.

What you have called defending or making excuses for Rivera is actually my effort to express the shame-- I feel-- for this once proud and well respected man, who in desperate need of personal validition, resorted to making this pathetic statement...

Those words are nothing less than a transparently self-serving effort to bring some minute semblance of validity to what is objectively-- his complete and total failure as coach, and general manager of this team.

And that he actually went ahead and said it, hoping that it would improve his situation, even though it only served to further debase what little honor he had left, is indeed a terrible shame, and something that continues to give me pause--- even though I sstill can't help but laugh when I read it.

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Wow!!

There is power in 5s today!

I'm heading out to play tge MegaMillion and Powerball!!

Also doing pick three-- straight 5s all the way baby!

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6 hours ago, spjunkies said:

Honestly, I doubt Tress even gives a damn about the number. Nothing wrong about collecting a few extra bucks if you can

Not so sure about that.

According to his pre draft scouting report bio...

"...born on May 5th at 5 am after mother endured 5 hours of labor. Father is one of five siblings and Tress, whose name incidentally has 5 letters,  is the 5th and youngest of five brothers who all played college sports. Has small tattoo of the number 5 above his heart and another large tattoo of the Roman numeral V which spans his entire back. The first time he punted in high school it went for 55 yards and was returned for 5 yards.. "

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Every time I see it I laugh at it, like we all do.

Then I start to think how sad, frustrated, and unfulfilled Rivera must feel inside to have publicly said it in the first place and while I don't exactly feel sorry for him, it does give me pause.

We all know he was basically a decent guy (but a poor coach) who was stuck in a nearly impossible situation.

He tried valiantly m, but ultimately ineptly, and like so many others before him, he eventually succumbed to Snyder's inertial damping field that became the ruin and final resting place of many sterling reputations and careers.

Shame really.

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I'm excited for when the training  camp cuts start up.

We will have second priority (only behind Carolina) from now, up until the 1st game of the season.

With APs sharp eye for talent, we should definitely improve our team with another 5 to 8 surprise cut type players.

I just hope 1 or 2 of them can at least provide solid o-line depth, even if they don't immediately start for us.

2 hours ago, CommDownMan said:

 

This is true, but also 100% of us on this board won that lottery.

 

A fact that has no bearing on your current debate, but I wanted to say it anyway.

100% of us on this board won that lottery.

Beautiful!

You get it! We ALL are winners!

Most of us live defeated lives of quiet desperation, eternally fearful of forces beyond our understanding when all the while every conceivable opportunity is right in front of us despite the illusion of present circumstance.

We are luminous beings of eternal light yet so few us choose to glow.

Every moment is a precious gift.

Why not just go for it and dazzle the world with your brilliance!

Sadly so many of you out there have lofty ideas, but somehow repeatedly you undisciplined folks get distracted and lose your way…

Now, where the heck did I put that last bumper of Colt 45?

There she is… come to papa (gulp).

Now what was I saying?

—hick—

Doesn't matter...glug.. glug...

Ahhhh... ice cold and goes down sooo smoooth...now that's what I call real living... -hick-

I can always get back to dazzling tomorrow…

Or the day after. (glugata glugata glugata…)

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15 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

It usually takes like a Demetrius underwood situation where the dude is just nuts.

I actually agree that his being cut is absolutely improbable, but improbable things are a certainty in this life-- each of us are living proof of that truth.

Think about it. A man produces approximately 500 billion sperm in his lifetime.

What are the chances that one of those sperms ended up producing any of us?

Yet here we  stand.

XXXX

That aside as a purely intellectual exercise here are my off the top of my head (or some might say out the bottom of my arse) guesses on the percentages for different outcomes:

1. 10%

Forbes is on the final roster and develops into a superstar exceptional cb. Known for making incredible game breaking interceptions-- just like he did on college

2. 20%

Forbes is on the final roster and develops into a decent, but not great player.

3. 30%

Forbes is on the final roster but he's just a guy. Nothing special, but an NFL replacement value, middle of the road, win some- lose some, very average corner.

4. 30%

Forbes plays poorly during training camp and  pre-season and we have multiple new corners who are much better. AP executes a fair trade and he goes on to another team.

5. 10%

It just doesn't work out for Forbes. We can't fix him and nobody wants to trade for him. A couple of rookie free agents are playing great so after debating Internally we make the tough call abd cut the kid outright. He gets picked up to another practice squad then bounces around awhile and finally goes on to his life's work outside football.

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1 hour ago, redskinss said:

 

Under those circumstances it is possible, I just believe the likelihood is extremely low.

 

Of all the first round picks over the last, let's say 30 years how many have been cut before the start of their second season?

 

I say that not as a rhetorical question but as a real question because I don't know the answer but I would imagine the number is exceptionally low.

 

 

Fair enough.

It's definitely highly unlikely that a 1st round pick is dismissed before his 2nd season.

But if it were to happen the perfect conditions would be a scenario where:

1. The GM and coach who originally drafted the player are no longer involved with the team.

2. The player drafted played poorly and never established himself during his first season.

3. The team acquired new talent that fits their system much better both in the draft and via free agency.

4. The player in question performs so poorly throughut mini-camp and pre-season that the new coaches feel he is a liability without upside (see original hypothetical).

5. No one wants to trade for the player (see hypothetical).

6. Cutting the player sends a powerful message to the team.

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On 5/5/2024 at 10:55 AM, philibusters said:

Emmanuel Forbes is too good to cut.   He was a three year player in college and a three year starter (meaning he started as a true freshman).  He played in the SEC the best conference in college football. He was second team all SEC as a true sophomore and first team all SEC as a junior.  He set the D1 record for most interception return for a TD.  The odds that a college player that good completely busts in the NFL is low.  He may not live up to his 1st round draft pick status but he is definitely roster worthy.  Even his very disappointing rookie season, he had a 51 PFF grade.  The same grade as fellow first rounder NY Giants corner Deonte Banks had last season and higher than Derek Stingley's (3rd overall pick in 2022 draft) rookie season grade in 2022  who had a 49 PFF grade in 2022.  You don't give up on that type of talent after a year.  Derek Stingley is a perfect example why.  After getting a 49 PFF grade as a rookie he bounced back with an 81 last year and played his part in the Houston Texans turnaround.  

I am not going to lie, if given a redo with that pick, if I was the GM I probably wouldn't draft Forbes, but even if he was picked too high, he is still super talented and it would be foolish to give up on him after one season.

You are answering a question without giving consideration to the conditions which I presented in my original post.

Let's go back to my original post for clarification purposes.

In the entire post there is one single word that I emboldened for emphasis, because without it,  my hypothetical argument could be misunderstood, and easily dismissed, as a more general, non-contingent argument.

Which is essentially what your post above has achieved.

That critical word is "if".

Here's the unedited paragraph as originally presented, with emphasis unchanged. 

"IF after multiple mini-camps, training camp, and pre-season games, Quinn, and his defensive staff, feel that Forbes is broken beyond repair, and he will never hack it in the NFL and AP tries to trade him, but gets no takers..."

Those are the conditions under which I arrive at my conclusion as follows...

"--they will keep a more promising player on the roster and cut him without remorse."

So, my direct question to you is would you still be of the belief that "Emmanuel Forbes is too good to cut"  even if the conditions layed forth in my original post were present? ie:

1. After all mini-camp evaluations are concluded

2. After training camp evaluations and pre-season games have concluded

3. The defensive staff concludes that Forbes is "broken beyond repair" and can't play effectively in their defense

4. Head coach Dan Quinn similarly concludes that Forbes is "broken beyond repair" and can't play effectively in his defense.

5. Adam Peters then attempts to trade this player, that can't play effectively in the team's defense, but no other team makes an offer for Forbes.

So, under the conditions in my original post would you still refuse to cut Forbes, because he was once a successful  college player, and is as you put it "too good to cut", or would you move forward with other players that the coaches believe can be more effective than Forbes, today, in the actual NFL?

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Magic is a man of his word. He promised Terry he would get together with him when they met at the new owners' introductory press conference and now they have...

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20 hours ago, MrJL said:

Forbes isn't gone unless traded.

 

Mathis is disappointing though

I wouldn’t count on that, and Forbes definitely better not.

IF after multiple mini-camps, training camp, and pre-season games, Quinn, and his defensive staff, feel that Forbes is broken beyond repair, and he will never hack it in the NFL and AP tries to trade him, but gets no takers-- they will keep a more promising player on the roster and cut him without remorse.

Message sent...

No free, on the job, remedial training rides for anyone, under this regime.

This aint Rivera, and his bumbling buffoon show, making decisions anymore.

There's  a new sheriff in town, and he's running a meritocracy.

Spots will be earned-- without deference given to when, or even whether, players were drafted.

On 5/2/2024 at 7:20 AM, Skinsinparadise said:

We had a terrible owner an awful human being, terrible GM albiet nice guy terrible coach albiet nice guy

 

This is a night and day new beginning on all fronts.

 

 

 

Rivera says he has NO REGRETS about drafting Chase Young over superstar QB Justin Herbert.

Makes sense.

Chase had outstanding position flex-- he could play DE or linebacker, (equally poorly).

Whereas Herbert was relegated to just being an outstanding pro bowl qb, who doesn’t even play special teams, let alone another position. Those guys are a dime a dozen. 

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12 hours ago, Bifflog said:

Everything I see says he has 30⅞" arms btw

Ha ha!

Hey let's not let the facts interfere with a spit take worthy creative post. lol

Good one @RandyHolt you got me good, but I enjoyed it all the same.

JP Finlay on Mitch Rales' (co-owner 2nd only to Harris) recent podcast where he discussed how they intend to rebuild the fan base after decades of neglect and mismanagement.

Rales, to me, is first and foremost, an outstanding human being who happens to also be a great businessman. Those two things don't often go hand in hand.

He's the perfect, behind the scenes, compliment to Josh Harris. A true mensch.

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50 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

He's 5'8" with 36" arms? That's wild.

My mind is boggled. That's almost impossible to imagine.

He can just about touch his toes while standing up straight, without having to bend his waist.

Maybe he's the next step in human evolution from homo sapiens to homo superior.

Wow!