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The Giants actually looking like a functional team this year is kind of annoying.

I’m not sure whether to post this here on in the Gameday thread. Maybe it’s been noted already, but the Eagles final touchdown at the end of the first half shouldn’t have counted. There were 18 seconds on the clock prior to the third down play. From the moment Kelce snapped the ball on that play until he snapped the ball on fourth down, more than 19 seconds should have come off the clock. I timed it at around 19.2 seconds. The tv clock remained frozen at 18 the entire time. Of course that doesn’t mean the clock on the field was behaving similarly, so it’s possible the actual stadium clock that the players look at still showed time when the ball was snapped. But it really shouldn’t have.

2 minutes ago, zCommander said:

 

If you look at cost vs. production. It doesn't right now. Maybe somehow RR can get the OL playing better. Which I am not seeing right now. How many games does Wentz needs to win to be considered an upgrade? I know it is not a realistic metric but that what the fans will be looking for.

 

I don’t think an upgrade can be measured solely in wins. It’s more a combination of things, like yards per game, points scored, turnovers. Things like that.

6 hours ago, IrepDC said:

Michael Mayer TE from Notre Dame is the #1 TE on my board. Hes putting on a show in North Carolina right now. It will be interesting where his draft value ends up.

Probably the best game of his career. This should be the “must see” game for him when anyone does their pre draft evaluation of him.

Trubisky doesn’t outright stink. But he’s not particularly good either.

11 hours ago, skinsfan93 said:

Buddy I have lived in Philly for the last 30 years. 

The idea that Cousins usually struggles against the Eagles does not hold up particularly well when you look through the history. Prior to last night’s game, he had nine starts against the Eagles. He was a combined 229 of 341 (67.2%) for 2756 yards, 21 TDs and 6 INTs. That calculates to a passer rating of 104.9. Like I said, he has killed us over the years. Among Eagles fans, it’s actually a known thing that we lament. 

PS. I’m surprised you knew that some of my family members often call me Buddy even though that isn’t my real name. I don’t especially care for it, but I have come to accept it since it is spoken with love, as you have also clearly done in this instance. It’s all good. 

16 minutes ago, skinsfan93 said:

It’s a NFC east game and most stay close. Not saying we’re gonna win but hopefully we can be competitive throughout. Sure they looked good against the Vikes but Cousins usually struggles against the Eagles and will make mistakes when pressured and OConnell is a first time coach. 

 

This will be a good gauge of our skilled players as the Eagles have a pretty good secondary with Bradberry and Slay. Hopefully Turner opens up the offense from the start and not wait till the second half. 
 

 

Cousins usually struggles against the Eagles? I’m going to excuse that comment because I’m guessing you don’t follow the Eagles. But the fact is that he’s owned us for years. Last night was the first time the Eagles ever played well against him. Yeah, I don’t have the stats in front of me, but trust me on this.

37 minutes ago, SkinsFTW said:

Frank Reich might be getting a little toasty. The Colts are 0-1-1 vs the Texans and Jags. Now they get to face the Chiefs, Titans, and Broncos.

Good thing for the Colts that they got rid of the source (Carson Wentz) of all their problems. Should be clear sailing from here on now that they have a real quarterback.

When they hurried up without calling a timeout, I remember thinking that was smart. Ideally you would like to have three timeouts in your pocket if your fourth down attempt fails. That way you can still get the ball back with a chance to win the game at the end. But when they ran the play clock down it became apparent that wasn’t their strategy at all. So once they called the timeout, it eliminated the chance they could force a punt if they failed to convert. Then it becomes a math game.

And the odds of him making that kick were less than converting followed by several more chances to gain more yardage followed by a field goal from a reasonable distance. I saw it said that it was considered around a 20% chance he’d make that. Frankly, I don’t think it was that high. Probably closer to 10% considering it’s outdoors at night. I think the odds of converting the fourth down were roughly 50%. You figure from there it’s almost certain that they’d improve the distance needed by five to fifteen yards. At that point it’s probably a 60% field goal attempt. When you combine those odds, I’d say that Denver would have had about a 25% chance of ultimately winning the game if they had gone for it.

2 hours ago, justice98 said:

Not much of a first week for the alumni.  Kirk Cousins and Deandre Carter seem like the only two guys of note this week.  Dustin Hopkins made all his kicks, I guess.

Hopkins missed a field goal.

I've been following this thread for about a month after refusing to enter it once Carson Wentz was acquired. It just pained me too much to see him playing for Washington. I've been a huge Wentz supporter and some might say apologist since the day the Eagles drafted him.

This is truly an awkward time for me. It's hard for me to actively root against the Commanders while at the same time hoping that Wentz proves all of his detractors wrong. There's a fine balance I'm going to have to navigate going forward. In the meantime, I want to weigh in on something I read the other day. That is that Sunday's game was "typical" of Wentz. His throwing two interceptions. As though that happens a lot. It doesn't.

I went back through his game-by-game logs. In his 85 career starts (excluding the playoff game against the Seahawks where he was knocked out, literally, after only three passes), Wentz threw two or more interceptions a grand total of fifteen times. That's about 18% of the time. In other words, about the same as throwing a die and having it land on a six. Roughly once every month and a half. Maybe two or three times a year. On the other hand, he's thrown zero interceptions 45 times. That's three times as often he's putting up zero interceptions as opposed to two interceptions. That means that more than half of his starts his not getting picked off at all.

It truly sickens me that this narrative exists in the first place and that it somehow has gotten legs. Because he's pretty much the exact opposite of being someone who throws a lot of interceptions.

That doesn't mean I refuse to acknowledge his flaws. The two I pointed out (tends to throw passes high at times because his footwork can get wonky/tends to get passes batted at the line way more than you'd expect from a tall quarterback) were in full evidence on Sunday. Okay, fine, every quarterback has things they don't do perfectly. But that doesn't mean that he's not a good quarterback. Because he is. Frankly I think he's more than simply "good".

The odds of making a 64 yard field goal was considerably less than converting a fourth and five (or whatever it was) and then advancing the ball to subsequently make a shorter field goal attempt.

It was mind boggling stupid what the Broncos did. And then to call two timeouts after the missed kick was downright embarrassing.

It's a good thing that Denver losing didn't knock me out of my survival pool the first week. Oh wait.

4 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Wentz is a fun QB to watch. Hopefully we let him air it out more.

As an Eagles fan, I wanted to throw up when we traded him. It made me even more nauseous when he was traded to a division rival a year later. I think y’all are gonna enjoy him.

I forgot to add that Pete Carroll could easily be coaching his last season. He may not be fired, but he could easily be forced to retire like Coughlin was with the Giants. 

On 9/4/2022 at 12:43 AM, 88Comrade2000 said:

Coaching Hot Seat 

Going into 22 season, there’s only 1 coach on the hot seat- Mike McCarthy.

 

I do think Brandon Staley could get the boot if Chargers don’t make the playoffs? Why, because Sean Payton is out there.

 

At least right now; the coaching position is stable.

I don’t think McCarthy is the only one. I think Kingsbury could be in trouble if the Cardinals go 8-9 or worse. A bad year for the Browns could spell the end for Stefanski. Rule could easily be vulnerable if the Panthers remain below .500. Would Reich survive another season where the Colts finish out of the playoffs?

16 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

The Chargers have a better fan base than the Bills? 

20 minutes ago, Mrshadow008 said:

One quick thought on Carson too. I got to talk to him for a quick second while he was signing my poster. He was very quiet and seemed kinda nervous almost like a social anxiety. I say that because my wife struggles with it and it can rub people the wrong way at times because it comes across as rude and stand-offish though once she opens up people love her. She’s fought very hard to force herself to be more open around new people etc. Not saying he does deal with anything like that or that it coulda caused his problems in the past just that having been around someone every day  that struggles with it his body language and how soft spoken he was was strikingly similar to wife in situations around people she didn’t know or around a lot of people 

I once briefly met former great defensive coach Bud Carson (Steelers, Browns, Eagles) in a social situation and he was the same way. Super shy. I wondered how a guy like that could actually be successful. I guess he settled down and became comfortable when he could immerse himself in a football world. But socially he was one of the most awkward people I'd ever met.

4 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

I have never seen a backup QB who was clearly a backup QB live rent free in so many heads. Truly remarkable.

I'm guessing you're not familiar with Eagles fans and Nick Foles.

3 hours ago, Est.1974 said:

Talk that LV 2021 OL first rounder Alex Leatherwood may be on the bubble to get dumped or traded. Worth a low cost look as depth/development?

Remember how smug Mike Mayock was after that pick was made, making fun of all the draft fans who considered him a major reach in the middle of the first round?

1 hour ago, Thinking Skins said:

Philly always stacks the off-season. Remember when they got Ashton Jeffrey, a 6-3 1400 yard WR, then he goes too Philly and was a bum. It's kinda comical

Alshon Jeffery had two good years with the Eagles before becoming a bum, due to injury. He was their bona fide number one receiver the year they won it all, and he had big plays in the championship game against the Vikings, as well as in first half of the Super Bowl itself. The Patriots had to change what they were doing in the second half, and then Nelson Agholor and Zach Ertz tore them up.

Jeffery was a very good acquisition for the Eagles. There have been plenty who weren't. I'm not arguing that point.

Y'know what I hate about the argument about beating a team "with a winning record"? It's ambiguous. Do you mean they beat a team that finished the season with a winning record? Or do you mean they beat a team that had a winning record at the time the game was played?

Either way you look at it, the Eagles did in fact beat a team with a winning record. They beat the Saints, who finished 9-8. And they beat the Broncos who were 5-4 at the time.

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

The turnover prone and injury prone labels are the funniest parts about Wentz. He’s neither.

 

Now… he plays banged up and I think he loves people knowing about it. And when he does turn the ball over they are very Cousins like in timing (meaning not great spots)… but he’s neither injury prone or turnover prone. 
 

There is a lot to criticize Wentz for… but those ain’t it.

I gotta come to Wentz's defense on part of this. And that is that his turnovers are unusually poorly timed. I never saw this with the Eagles. In fact, disregarding 2020 when the entire offense was injured -- way more than Washington fans probably realize -- it felt like most of his interceptions came in the second half of games where the Eagles were behind by multiple scores. I remember a game at Seattle and a game at New Orleans when the Eagles were getting killed and he chucked up some late passes that got picked. I don't consider that poorly timed. In fact I think it's the exact opposite. If you're going to throw picks, hell, why not do it when the game is sorta/kinda out of reach anyway? It's kinda like surrendering an empty net goal in hockey. You don't want to see it, but you had to try something to get back in the game.

As for that seemingly ridiculous interception in the endzone against the Titans last year that cost the Colts the game, well, he was about to tackled for a safety that was going to lose the game anyway. (It would have put Tennessee ahead and the Colts would have had to free kick the ball away with under two minutes left.) So instead of being tackled and losing the game right there, he decides to throw the ball away. It's actually a smart move. Unfortunately for him it wasn't executed well and it got picked off. And the critics had a field day, overlooking the actual situation at hand.

On the other hand, I will acknowledge that while Wentz is historically not an interception thrower, he does cough the ball up in the pocket more than most quarterbacks. That's been a "thing" for him ever since he came into the league. I suspect this will remain an issue for him for the duration of his career.

2 hours ago, Conn said:

right he’s like 29. It’s cool he’s made some plays in camp but he’s not exactly a developmental guy. I think because he’s a no name people assume he’s young, or even a fresh UDFA. He isn’t, he’s been in the league since 2016 lol

He flashed a bit in camp for the Eagles about four or five years ago and some fans got excited. But he didn’t even make the team and has bounced around the league ever since then. I believe the Eagles even had him on their practice squad a couple of times in that span. He might be better than your typical camp guy, but that’s probably because he has so much more experience. If a guy like that is making your 53, your receiving corps is probably not as good as you thought.

3 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

Tress Way is excited about the WR's? Punters have such funny job roles. For the sake of the team, what the punter is rooting for...is that he's never able to do his job because the offense is that good.

Well, most of them are holders too, so they can do part of their job when their team scores a touchdown. 

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

Dudes been making threads like this for months and nobody calls it out. It's gonna end up lawless and craxy around here like the eagles board if it continues.

Which Eagles board are you talking about?