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...and my email just arrived. When you send that many emails they have to go out in waves or they get blocked as spam. He was specific with his wording about 2018. I believe he said for the "upcoming season". No promises for future seasons. Still, when you go through the checkout, physical delivery in July is an option. Also, the payment plan is now SIX payments.

I can forgive the email thing. But I am scratching my head about the $25. In the past it was to cover the cost of the fedex. Now perhaps to cover development costs? There's a similar markup for stubhub seats, so perhaps they can get away with it. And as a percentage it's nothing. It's not like I was sold at $4500 but $4525 makes me say "OH HELL NO!". So I'm thinking it's just a way to nickel and dime a little more margin and protect it from the revenue sharing model. But I will consider it in my decision. Having special Season Ticket Holder lines to get in and get concessions sounds awful nice. The reduced price on concessions sounds better than last year, but I bet it's the same.

Even if it's an "honest" 2:1 that's still about $225 per ticket per game for the "good" club seats. That only brings them closer to open market pricing.

It's hard for me to think Dan Snyder doesn't care about the fans because I believe he is himself a fan. And not just some run of the mill guy that says he likes the team, but like a total crazy man kind of fan. The man is a billionaire. If he put all his money in a run of the mill checking account he'd likely make more money in a year than everyone posting on this thread combined in their entire lifetimes. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, with pretty much anyone he wants. Yet he still rolls out of bed for the Redskins. I don't think he bats an eye at ticket pricing or sales strategies. That's boring. He's got VP's of ticket sales and a high priced marketing departments for that. I don't think he sues ticket lease holders. He's got lawyers for that. He enjoys food, but does he cook? My hunch is, he's got a chef for that. But when his team wins a big game you better believe he's jumpin' around. I guess he could pay me to do that, but some things you have to do yourself am I right? Anything that isn't fun or palatable, he doesn't get involved. Because... why would he? If I'm right, and he's in this for the love the team, then yes I believe he does. That doesn't mean the VP of sales who makes his living by selling tickets has the same pure motivations. He's got to feed his family. I'm pretty sure if that means selling tickets to Eagles fans, he's going to do it. So the VP needs his incentives aligned to Mr. Snyder's goals - that is to say, he needs incentives to give the team every edge possible over maximum short term revenues. But is Mr. Snyder even setting those incentives? I'm pretty sure he's pretty far removed from that. It's too boring. So you've got to reach a level or even two down from Mr. Snyder. At least publicly, Lafamina seemed to be the guy he/we wanted. He reported directly to Mr. Snyder, NOT BRUCE, and was supposed to have control over this type of stuff. He was taking a long term view that valued viability of the season ticket product over short term revenue. I can't really say why he's gone but his departure concerns me about if they'll have the stomach and foresight to continue his approach.

That's my concern too. If the secondary market returns to how it was in 2017 they'll lose all their season ticket holders. Their best hope will be a neutral field for the most relevant games. If a team will actively sell their tickets to opposing fans who will eagerly undermine their on field efforts, the team doesn't care about their on field efforts. I don't see how anyone could care about a team that doesn't care about their own fans or itself.

Maybe they weren't selling them on any site. I didn't try to tally them all up. Can you think of a reason why they'd have them open, un-tarped, and not try to sell them? We do see the average was about 60k (not sure if it's ticket sold or actual attendance) which leaves roughly 20k tickets open each game. That's roughly 1/4 open. There's only that one section that never had open seats. My choice section was more like 1/15 and some of those upper sections were more like 1/1. Still, there really wasn't any concern about getting any kind of seat you wanted. That combined with our price tracking supports Coach Janky Spanky's point. He can get the seats he wants to every game he wants to attend. Because he's not paying for pre-season and the games where we're mathematically eliminated, he's coming out ahead even after the ticketing fees. So indeed, why would he pay a premium to get the package? I'm 100% with him on this point. There should be a bulk discount. His/our extreme patronage should carry an incentive or reward. Maybe a penalty too. Maybe the incentive to buy the package, like it used to be, should be that's the only way you can get them. But as a paying customer, I'm cool with them dropping the price and restricting resale. After all, I buy them because I want to go.

On average there were something like 20k seats (1/4) available on any given Sunday. Most of those were upstairs but there were plenty of seats for sale in excellent locations in all but section 242. In fairness, I NEVER checked the Loge or Suites. And maybe those had something to do with Mr. Lafamina's departure. Whatever the case, it's a real shame because he cared about the long term viability of the season ticket product and I, for one, appreciated his efforts.

There's nothing saying you can't look for an advantage from the ticket office in addition to looking for an edge from the front office and the coaching staff. The entire organization should do whatever they can to help the team win. The dynamics of the tickets are indeed perverse. Someone who buys/attends every game should have a better rate and preferential treatment vs. an opposing team fan. They should fix it. The steps they took this past season made a huge difference. The secondary market isn't pennies on the dollar has it has been in recent years. It wasn't enough and they should continue to make a concerted effort towards protecting home field advantage.

Reduced pricing and increased restrictions on resale (like the Knights did). Perhaps there'd be more fans attending if the price were right (and other things, but that's a big one).

You should move downstairs Everyone in the lower bowl should be season ticket holders that attend pretty much every game. The ticket office needs to price them and have restrictions to make that happen. Even if it's not the path to the highest short term revenue, it'll lead to a better experience and a path to growing the fan base. It would protect the long term viability of their product (in-person football). The payoff for the short term (and long term) is the 3-6 point impact it'd have on every home game. If the goal of the organization is to win, this is an obvious move they simply must make. If winning is your goal, those seats are better empty than with an opposing team fan in them.

1. I've got evidence supporting that did in fact work in all but the Eagles game. It's not the best evidence, but it's an excellent indicator. 2. They didn't really. We covered this in the other thread. Market value of the lower bowl is actually higher than the club level. That's gotta stop right? They should do it something like the the NHL's Knights. Sell the tickets to you and I at a discount, we agree not to re-sell them. If there's a resale, they stop selling us tickets. That protects their product in the middle rows. The upstairs could be used to generate goodwill and interest among the younger generations, military, first responders, etc.

No doubt those seats were pretty empty. However, the last few years those empty seats would have been full... of opposing team's fans. And that's much worse. So from that sense, there was a big difference. I'd be completely down with removing the upper bowl or giving them away to elementary school kids. Paying customers at a reduced rate in the lower bowl that are passionate about the team... that's something worth paying for. Reserve the club for premium prices and maybe visiting fans who are ready to pay a premium price.

I believe I'll renew. They did a lot this year to recapture home field advantage. My hope is, they continue the effort. The Eagles game was wholly unacceptable from a season ticket holder's perspective. But one game is WAY better than in recent years. If they revert to selling to ticket brokers and the market goes back to the $0.10 on the dollar, they won't see me in 2020. Here's the thing, if they lose me as a season ticket holder it means I'm only buying tickets to playoff games and/or the super bowl. The biggest selling points to buying tickets is the euphoria of the crowd. If I can't get that on any given Sunday, I'm not paying for it. The next biggest selling point is having an impact on the game. If there aren't 60k+ cheering fans, the fans can't have an impact and I feel like I'm pissing in the ocean - impact = 0. Being the lone guy yelling his face off makes you feel like an idiot instead of a good fan.

How/why do you think it'd be different?

Troll.

Not really. I bought my first one because of FOMO and social pressure. Houses are not as liquid or as sound as people would lead you to believe. Don't hate. Buy something because you like it and want it and can afford it.

You should have bought more bitcoin too.

This is a lesson learned from experience. I DO own a house. But if I had it all to do over again, no chance.

Yeah man... selling them is a losing proposition. I look at it very similar to buying a house. Don't get a huge mortgage because you think it's a great short term investment. Buy a house because you love it and plan on using it forever. Any appreciation is irrelevant because you'll be dead when it's realized. Buy season tickets because you love it and plan on going to every game.

No repick. Season tickets are not a one year investment. You've had season tickets since the 70's. If you get rid of those lowers this year, there is no guarantee you'll be able to get those seats if we ever do catch lightning in a bottle and you decide to be interested again. But holding them and selling them year to year is terrible financial decision and a net negative to the team if they end up in the hands of opposing teams. The best choice is to buy them and use them. The next best would be to buy them and sell them a Redskins fan that will go to every game. Or give them to Redskins fans. The worst thing you can do is let them fall into the hands of opposing team fans... at any price.

Add up superbowl wins for your 15 vs. my 17 over a 10 year span?

Gentlemen, those are the odds Vegas will extend to you. The mathematical odds are in fact 1:32. If someone wants to extend a bet where the mathematical odds are in my favor, I'll accept. If you believe the odds are NOT 1:32, you should be happy to give me better than 16 teams out of 32. I'm especially interested in this sort of thing over a series of years, not just one year.

You want me to bet $500 straight up on a coin flip? How about you pick 2 teams, none of which are the Redskins, and I'll get the field? I'd also be down with you picking 10 teams, leaving me 22 teams, and counting up Super bowl wins over the coming decade. FYI - odds are presently 6:1 and 10:1 for the Pats and Steelers respectively. So if you bet $250 on each, you'd net $1250 or $2250 pre-vig. Meanwhile, Bears, Browns, Jets are 150:1. The Patriots are not 25 times more likely to win the super bowl than any of those 3 teams. Nor are they 12.5 times more likely to win than the Redskins or twice as likely to win as the Eagles, Packers or Vikings - all 12:1.

But you only think that because the Patriots (black) keep coming up. Maybe it's broken. But it doesn't matter if black has come up 9 times in a row. Odds of the 10th time being black are 18/38 just like the Redskins odds this year are 1/32. You could have 100 blacks in a row. I just wouldn't bet on that happening at spin #1. Still, you guys are missing my point somewhat. Even if we did win the Super Bowl this year, it doesn't make me feel confident that they'll win again in 2020. Odds in 2020 are once again 1/32. Basing your fandom or purchasing habits based on the ability of a team to defy the odds means you're not really interested in fandom or purchasing. If a winning ticket is the only ticket worth buying, you're only buying recap DVDs from Sports Illustrated in Super Bowl years. Maybe you'd buy a Super Bowl ticket because at least your odds are 1/2 vs. 1/32 for the season ticket package. A season ticket purchaser is signing up for the journey in the hopes of seeing the UNLIKELY outcome. The unlikely outcome is the exciting and valuable outcome simply because it's unlikely. Some people want to say they were there to see it. To say it the other way, there's a reason why you don't get offered a payout for betting on the field in roulette. And if you could, that'd be boring anyway.

If you're watching a roulette wheel, and black has come up 10 straight times, do you feel your odds are better betting on black because of the history, or red because it's due?