turtle2328

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  1. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    ...and my email just arrived. When you send that many emails they have to go out in waves or they get blocked as spam. He was specific with his wording about 2018. I believe he said for the "upcoming season". No promises for future seasons. Still, when you go through the checkout, physical delivery in July is an option. Also, the payment plan is now SIX payments.
  2. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    I can forgive the email thing. But I am scratching my head about the $25. In the past it was to cover the cost of the fedex. Now perhaps to cover development costs? There's a similar markup for stubhub seats, so perhaps they can get away with it. And as a percentage it's nothing. It's not like I was sold at $4500 but $4525 makes me say "OH HELL NO!". So I'm thinking it's just a way to nickel and dime a little more margin and protect it from the revenue sharing model. But I will consider it in my decision. Having special Season Ticket Holder lines to get in and get concessions sounds awful nice. The reduced price on concessions sounds better than last year, but I bet it's the same.
  3. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    Even if it's an "honest" 2:1 that's still about $225 per ticket per game for the "good" club seats. That only brings them closer to open market pricing.
  4. turtle2328

    Tracking Ticket Prices 2018 Season

    You have to sign up to pay, like a pledge, but not actually pay until they clinch the home playoff game. I'm not exactly sure why they do it that way. For a season ticket holder it should be the default option. You should have to opt out.
  5. turtle2328

    Tracking Ticket Prices 2018 Season

    I'm posting this because I was curious and I bet others are curious too. These are playoff tickets I'd buy as of 1/11/19. Good seats, not just getting in the stadium. Indy @ KC - $210 (KC is renowned for it's home field advantage) Dallas @ Rams - $599 (Everything is silly expensive out there?) Chargers @ Patriots - $338 Eagles @ Saints - $598 (I'm surprised at this)
  6. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    It's hard for me to think Dan Snyder doesn't care about the fans because I believe he is himself a fan. And not just some run of the mill guy that says he likes the team, but like a total crazy man kind of fan. The man is a billionaire. If he put all his money in a run of the mill checking account he'd likely make more money in a year than everyone posting on this thread combined in their entire lifetimes. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, with pretty much anyone he wants. Yet he still rolls out of bed for the Redskins. I don't think he bats an eye at ticket pricing or sales strategies. That's boring. He's got VP's of ticket sales and a high priced marketing departments for that. I don't think he sues ticket lease holders. He's got lawyers for that. He enjoys food, but does he cook? My hunch is, he's got a chef for that. But when his team wins a big game you better believe he's jumpin' around. I guess he could pay me to do that, but some things you have to do yourself am I right? Anything that isn't fun or palatable, he doesn't get involved. Because... why would he? If I'm right, and he's in this for the love the team, then yes I believe he does. That doesn't mean the VP of sales who makes his living by selling tickets has the same pure motivations. He's got to feed his family. I'm pretty sure if that means selling tickets to Eagles fans, he's going to do it. So the VP needs his incentives aligned to Mr. Snyder's goals - that is to say, he needs incentives to give the team every edge possible over maximum short term revenues. But is Mr. Snyder even setting those incentives? I'm pretty sure he's pretty far removed from that. It's too boring. So you've got to reach a level or even two down from Mr. Snyder. At least publicly, Lafamina seemed to be the guy he/we wanted. He reported directly to Mr. Snyder, NOT BRUCE, and was supposed to have control over this type of stuff. He was taking a long term view that valued viability of the season ticket product over short term revenue. I can't really say why he's gone but his departure concerns me about if they'll have the stomach and foresight to continue his approach.
  7. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    That's my concern too. If the secondary market returns to how it was in 2017 they'll lose all their season ticket holders. Their best hope will be a neutral field for the most relevant games. If a team will actively sell their tickets to opposing fans who will eagerly undermine their on field efforts, the team doesn't care about their on field efforts. I don't see how anyone could care about a team that doesn't care about their own fans or itself.
  8. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    Maybe they weren't selling them on any site. I didn't try to tally them all up. Can you think of a reason why they'd have them open, un-tarped, and not try to sell them? We do see the average was about 60k (not sure if it's ticket sold or actual attendance) which leaves roughly 20k tickets open each game. That's roughly 1/4 open. There's only that one section that never had open seats. My choice section was more like 1/15 and some of those upper sections were more like 1/1. Still, there really wasn't any concern about getting any kind of seat you wanted. That combined with our price tracking supports Coach Janky Spanky's point. He can get the seats he wants to every game he wants to attend. Because he's not paying for pre-season and the games where we're mathematically eliminated, he's coming out ahead even after the ticketing fees. So indeed, why would he pay a premium to get the package? I'm 100% with him on this point. There should be a bulk discount. His/our extreme patronage should carry an incentive or reward. Maybe a penalty too. Maybe the incentive to buy the package, like it used to be, should be that's the only way you can get them. But as a paying customer, I'm cool with them dropping the price and restricting resale. After all, I buy them because I want to go.
  9. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    On average there were something like 20k seats (1/4) available on any given Sunday. Most of those were upstairs but there were plenty of seats for sale in excellent locations in all but section 242. In fairness, I NEVER checked the Loge or Suites. And maybe those had something to do with Mr. Lafamina's departure. Whatever the case, it's a real shame because he cared about the long term viability of the season ticket product and I, for one, appreciated his efforts.
  10. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    There's nothing saying you can't look for an advantage from the ticket office in addition to looking for an edge from the front office and the coaching staff. The entire organization should do whatever they can to help the team win. The dynamics of the tickets are indeed perverse. Someone who buys/attends every game should have a better rate and preferential treatment vs. an opposing team fan. They should fix it. The steps they took this past season made a huge difference. The secondary market isn't pennies on the dollar has it has been in recent years. It wasn't enough and they should continue to make a concerted effort towards protecting home field advantage.
  11. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    Reduced pricing and increased restrictions on resale (like the Knights did). Perhaps there'd be more fans attending if the price were right (and other things, but that's a big one).
  12. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    You should move downstairs Everyone in the lower bowl should be season ticket holders that attend pretty much every game. The ticket office needs to price them and have restrictions to make that happen. Even if it's not the path to the highest short term revenue, it'll lead to a better experience and a path to growing the fan base. It would protect the long term viability of their product (in-person football). The payoff for the short term (and long term) is the 3-6 point impact it'd have on every home game. If the goal of the organization is to win, this is an obvious move they simply must make. If winning is your goal, those seats are better empty than with an opposing team fan in them.
  13. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    1. I've got evidence supporting that did in fact work in all but the Eagles game. It's not the best evidence, but it's an excellent indicator. 2. They didn't really. We covered this in the other thread. Market value of the lower bowl is actually higher than the club level. That's gotta stop right? They should do it something like the the NHL's Knights. Sell the tickets to you and I at a discount, we agree not to re-sell them. If there's a resale, they stop selling us tickets. That protects their product in the middle rows. The upstairs could be used to generate goodwill and interest among the younger generations, military, first responders, etc.
  14. turtle2328

    Taking Action To Make Redskins Park Listen

    1. +1 2. Do you have any sources? I'd love to read them.
  15. turtle2328

    Season Ticket Renewals

    No doubt those seats were pretty empty. However, the last few years those empty seats would have been full... of opposing team's fans. And that's much worse. So from that sense, there was a big difference. I'd be completely down with removing the upper bowl or giving them away to elementary school kids. Paying customers at a reduced rate in the lower bowl that are passionate about the team... that's something worth paying for. Reserve the club for premium prices and maybe visiting fans who are ready to pay a premium price.