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31 minutes ago, Conn said:

Okay, that’s fair. For me, because getting rid of Snyder and getting where we are today was such a miracle, by the rules of the Butterfly Effect I wouldn’t change a single thing about how things went down with Fred Smith and the name change. The old name can suck it, Smith getting screwed on the worth of his shares, he can suck it too…all in the context of getting rid of Snyder, it’s a price I would gladly pay even if it was 1% of the reason (and I think it was a lot more). I’d rather be without Snyder than with the old name, period. And seeing how it all turned out, I wouldn’t risk it happening any other way. 

That’s all fair as well. We just differ on our feelings about the old name. For me the new name can suck it, because it was handpicked by Snyder. The old name was going away anyway, but I wish that would’ve happened after Snyder was gone so we could’ve had a legitimate renaming process. Could not agree more with your last two sentences. Snyder being gone is the most important thing, so no regrets.

18 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

My dream scenario is that by November ish he's humming and we lose a bunch of close hard fought shootouts so we're optimistic about the future of our QB while also landing another high pick to add another blue chip talent.

Man, I’m all for tanking once we are eliminated from contention. But I gotta aim little higher than that for my “dream scenario”! 😁 

kidding aside, though, I agree that would be a good place to be at the end of this year

On 2/28/2024 at 3:48 PM, Conn said:

You’re forgetting that the reason Smith did that was as revenge for Snyder refusing to pay him his portion of the profits from the team during COVID. Snyder was literally robbing him and getting funny with the books. 
 

Also, the debt Snyder took on to purchase all the minority shares was the poison pill that ultimately doomed him and made him cash poor on a larger scale. The team making less money hurt him a lot more after he took on all that debt, and interest rates were only going up so new future debt wasn’t his friend anymore. Nothing ever forced him to sell, not congress and not the other owners—his finances were a problem. The owners let him sign his own death warrant with all that extra debt, they gave him a waiver to buy all those minority shares. In the end it choked him, and the money was no longer worth he and his wife not being able to step foot in their own stadium without hearing how horrible they were.

No, I know why he did it. He didn’t have to go after the team name though. We have courts to settle such disputes. And it didn’t work anyway, he ended up having to sell his shares for way under value. Sure it’s great that Snyder taking on the debt was one of the dominoes that eventually led to his demise, but Fred Smith was looking out for Fred Smith and the rest of us suffered for it. I don’t give him or FedEx any credit for Snyder being gone. 

3 minutes ago, Command The 414 said:

I heard last night that Wilson could probably be had for league minimum cause the Broncos are on the hook for a lot of $… in all seriousness and many on this board would flip the freak out but let’s say we draft Maye at 2… sign Wilson cheap and let Maye sit (ala Jordan Love, Mahomes, Rodgers) and get something for Sam Howell… you might actually be on too something here… and I could think of many worse things then this…

I honestly don’t think sitting a year is what made Mahomes and Rogers great. They would have been Hall of Famers either way, and both of those teams may have cost themselves a title by keeping them on the bench behind lesser players. Mahomes has become the new Brady, where using him as a comparison for anything is a waste of time. He’s just a unicorn that is not constrained by conventional thinking. Love maybe we can talk once he puts up more than half a good season. But he is an outlier example, as teams generally do not spend high picks like that on a QB when they already have a stud at the position. Looks good now, but remember at the time they could’ve used those picks to give a still great Rogers a couple more weapons which may have put them over the top in those years. 

13 hours ago, illone said:

 

 

I like the player just not sure if I want the $30mil/yr contract. He will want to set the market like watt and bosa. Eeek. 

Is he not that quality of player? I feel like he is. The player we thought we were getting when we drafted Chase. It’s expensive, but blue chip players do not come cheap. And we are seriously lacking in blue chip players right now. Plus, the guy is only 25 years old. If we are going to splurge on a stud player, this is the kind of guy we should target imo.

1 hour ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

No. You can draft a much cheaper option.

You’re not getting a difference maker like a Barkley or Josh Jacobs with a mid round pick, I don’t understand that comparison. I do agree with the current trend that you don’t pay up for a running back in today’s NFL, but at some point that gets baked into the cost and running backs will become a value again. Maybe we are not quite there, yet, but… If the market has gotten so bad for RBs that we can get a stud like those guys on a team friendly one or two year deal, then I think it’s worth considering. We’re in a position where we don’t need to be frugal about the cap right now, and we definitely have a shortage of blue chip players on the roster. Seems like a rookie QB would benefit from the presence of a veteran star running back in the huddle that he can turn around and hand the ball to.

For me, it’s Q2 with Doug Williams. I was in college at the time, and my buddies and I had a tradition of guzzling a beer when they scored a touchdown. Needless to say, I have very little memory of the second half of the game! 
 

of course Riggins is the obvious answer, but I didn’t quite have enough time invested as a fan at that point to truly appreciate it. 

21 minutes ago, Rolo Tomasie said:

Count me in the group of thinking Daniels opting out of weights and measures is kind of trifling but in the end not that big of a deal. If I'm the commanders and my scouts get a chance to measure and weigh him and watch him throw at his pro day, he's still firmly in the mix. He's too good of a football player to toss him off my list for that, and I guess that's his and his agent's calculus.

Not a big deal, but enough to bump him behind Maye for some of us who were 50/50 between the two. Daniels is probably thinking he should have just blown off the entire event. Might still have been a bad look but the focus wouldn’t be so much on the weigh in. Everything they do there can be done at his pro day anyway. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the top prospects skip it completely going forward.

1 minute ago, Conn said:

I don’t give a **** about Caleb Williams and his feelings, it’s more of a general thing in principle at an event like this. 
 

It should be a professional environment. These guys are trying to lock in and  secure their future. This is purely on the NFL’s greed, but it shouldn’t even be a ticketed event for fans. It should be a total bubble of football people and necessary media. Even the random fantasy football clowns they’re giving press badges to and allowing to ask questions of guys at the podium shouldn’t be there. It’s a circus. 

That’s fair. But they did let the fans in, and everybody knows… Fans boo sometimes

5 minutes ago, Conn said:

If fans who are allowed in (paid ticket or not) to essentially watch these guys partake in a job interview (one that makes the NFL lots of money, sure) disrupt the process in any way, they should be kicked out. Booing in that environment at a player right out of college who isn’t even a pro yet is completely inappropriate. 

I don’t think it’s disrupting the process at all, just hurting the feelings of a few reporters. If the guy who says he’s going to “rewrite history” can’t handle a few boo birds, well then I say good luck to him. But my guess is he doesn’t care about it one bit. I agree it’s classless behavior, but not something they should be kicked out over.

28 minutes ago, MrJL said:

 

driving recklessl is stupid but it's not the most reckless thing out there

No, but when character is supposed to be one of your calling cards as a player it’s certainly a bad look

2 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

Interesting. Is Chad Forbes reputable? I see the quotation marks, but it doesn’t say who he is quoting?

1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

I agree... I doubt he runs after trying to gain 20 lbs.

 

 

Yep, it’s not just whether he can put on the weight, but whether he can do it without losing his speed. Unless both are measured at the same time, I guess we’re not going to know, which makes it difficult to get on board with drafting him over Drake Maye.

5 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

Daniels got asked about that in press pool, said he wanted to draw as many eyes as possible to LSU pro day so the non-Daniels/Nabers/Thomas teammates there - players not invited to combine - would have the best chance possible to get attention of scouts/etc.

Pfffft. As if LSU‘s pro day is going to be ignored or something, if not for his long awaited weigh in. Not a huge red flag because we already knew he was underweight, but definitely is pushing me toward the Drake Maye side of the discussion at 2.

14 minutes ago, MrJL said:

 

the Davis situation is over.  It's mentioned on this thread.  Six months suspended sentence, suspended license and community service

That’s nice that he avoided jail time, but I’m still left with serious doubts about him as a person/player. When Ron made that dumb ass pick, he pitched us on Davis being raw but someone who could be molded into a great player due to the maturity and discipline that comes from growing up in a military family. A character guy if you will, but seems like it’s just the opposite. He’s a good enough stopgap for now while we focus on other positions, but he’ll need to be replaced as well sooner than later. I don’t see any chance of him ever living up to his first round draft status.

1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Tempting, of course, but I’d rather see them go after someone younger

5 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

The front office must have quite the plan.  I mean, you're tossing out offensive linemen and tight ends on a year you're probably drafting a QB at 2.

 

Wondering how hard we go in FA.  Shultz/OT/OG probably doable but gonna eat a good chunk of cap if you've got decent guys.

 

Can probably add an RT or IOL in the draft with future LT potential in the 2nd.

 

I don't think any of the TEs outside of Bowers pique my interest for 2024, they all probably need a year in the NFL oven first.

Gates sucks, Leno is ancient, and we’ve needed to upgrade from Logan for years. Hoping for a major upgrade at all three positions, but any warm body would be just about as good as those guys.

7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Notice how none of the kids mention Harris at all? Yeah, that whole story yesterday was so incredibly overblown. 

It was. But we’ve been burned before by owner meddling. Badly. So an overreaction on our part is to be expected. I thought Harris did a good job of diffusing things by putting it out there that he was only there to observe. 

18 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

 

Don't forget that was one of the catalysts that ultimately led up to bootleg Napoleon having to sale.

Not so sure about that. The net result of it was 1- the name change, and 2- Snyder ended up buying those minority shares at a discount rate. By most accounts, he had actually become more powerful at that point. If not for the Gruden email leak getting Congress back involved, we may still be stuck with him. I’ll grant that maybe it helped in the end, but Fred Smith’s intentions were completely selfish at the time.

Good riddance to FedEx. I hope they lost their ass on the deal. I’ll never forgive the company for igniting the name change fiasco.

8 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I wonder if ATL are going to give up the #8 pick for Fields ? 
 

CHI get the #8 pick

ATL get Fields and a future pick.

I think their second rounder would be enough to get it done 

37 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

There are three truths in the world:

 

1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

2. Sydney Sweeney is hot.

3. Never spend big money on a Running Back

 

To quote Thomas Jefferson, who put it so eloquently in the Declaration of Independence: "we hold these truths to be self-evident"

Apparently, San Fran (CMC) and Detroit (Montgomery) didn’t get the memo. And it’s not going to cost “big money“ otherwise I’d agree. Seems like a market inefficiency where you can get a lot of on field contribution for your dollar. If somebody is giving them big money, then yeah, move on. But for a reasonable price that we can easily afford without affecting our ability to improve other positions, it’s worth at least considering. 

7 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Our run game coordinator has already said that he's excited to work with BRob. We also have 2nd year CRod.

 

We don't need another RB like that. We need a speedy CoP back. 

He also said he likes versatile running backs. I agree, I don’t like one-dimensional “speed” backs. C-rod is only a project at this point, we have no idea if he can play. I do agree you can find good running backs late in the draft though, so either way is fine with me. Running backs are cheap, both in free agency and in the draft. I’d like to make sure we have two we can rely on. C-Rod and a late draft pick are not proven reliable options.

23 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Spending any sort of significant money on a RB goes against everything this FO believes in. It's not happening. Especially an older one with an injury history.

Normally I’d agree, but RBs are cheap now. These guys won’t break the bank in money or years, and we have all that cap room burning a hole in our pocket. A stud RB will make our line look better, and help protect our rookie QB. And a reliable veteran presence around so many young guys seems prudent. 
 

edit: I’d add that SF traded for CMC and Detroit signed Montgomery and spent a high first on Gibbs, so I’m not sure if your assessment of what our FO believes in regarding running backs value is necessarily accurate. 

16 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I wish he said it in third person.

LOL. This whole thing was a great reminder for us that speaking in third person is always a huge red flag. As was never having called plays and being turned down for coaching jobs multiple times. But the biggest red flag of all should have been that Andy Reid of all people was trying to pawn him off on us.