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As long as we don't do the white-on-white combo again. I doubt it will give us the luck it gave us in '05. I wouldn't mind seeing the burgundy jerseys a bit more though. It would be horrendous though if they came up with a burgundy-on-burgundy combo.

I tried to be nice in my reply post to you, but since you're trying to insult my intelligence, I guess I'm just gonna have to tear you a new one... Yeah, you know more about wrestling. Bashing Flair and Dusty the way you have just shows your real ignorance on the wrestling business, and you're just bashing them based on your own biases to the present era. To be honest with ya, I first started watching wrestling in the late 80s (most of which I didn't really remember), but haven't really gotten into it until the 90s. I probably even have a lot of the same favorite matches that you do (I do also like the RVD-Jerry Lynn matches). However, I kept my mind open and actually watched a good amount of what happened in the past. And from doing that, I came with the unbiased opinion was that the 80s era was better OVERALL. I'm pretty sure you didn't even take the time to watch the wrestling back then and just blindly bashed it, because if you did, you wouldn't be bashing it the way you do. As far as it being more entertaining, you're stating that as it is fact. I do agree that it may SEEM more entertaining today, but as far as it actually being more entertaining, you can't really make a true judgement of that. Why? Well, you have to remember, the wrestlers in the past did not have the production values and camera angles that they have today that makes the talent and shows look better than it actually is. Ricky Steamboat even said himself in the WWE website that wrestlers today are so lucky because the production values make them so much better than they are, and if they had that same luxury, who knows what they could've done. So yeah, disproved you again there sir. And it is a moot point that companies like WCW isn't around anymore. But, it is also moot for you to mention that, since that wasn't what you were trying to argue. You were trying to argue why Flair and Rhodes was so much worse back then than the stars are now. And by you admitting that you never said wrestling was better now than it is back then, you just showed your self-contradiction. Besides, if you want to get a good gist of how good a match really is, as far as match psychology, crowd reaction (ie: ENTERTAINMENT), feud history, action, and yes, even DIFFICULTY OF MOVES, take a look at WON's star ratings (being the omniscient wrestling guru that you are, you should know what that is). Count how many 5-star matches that Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes had by themselves, and compare that number to the number of 5-star matches all your favorite stars of the 90's and 2000s had COMBINED. ...and you claim to know more. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I read a good amount of your posts in this thread (probably not all, but I may have the gist of it) and I have to say that you are probably just a new age wrestling fan that refuses to appreciate and respect anything that wrestling has done in the past, and think that promos and high spots equal quality sports entertainment. First off, it's wrong for you to bash Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes. Have you actually watched any of their old promos or matches? From reading your posts, I judge that you haven't. What they did for wrestling in the 1980s was revolutionary! And as entertaining as the Rock and Stone Cold was in the mic, I (and many other wrestling fans who followed the business for a long time) would probably take Dusty Rhodes over them, because he didn't have to be "controversial" to get the attention of the fans. As far as Ric Flair is concerned, IMO, anybody who bashes him has little to no appreciation in the business. He was in a plane crash in the 80s, he broke his back, and his career was said to be over by many. Yet, he went to go on and put on the career that he had, and is still wrestling TODAY! IMO, Ric Flair in his prime was one of the most complete wrestlers the industry has ever seen, who had the skills in the ring and in the mic. True, Rock and Austin were great in the mic, but Flair in his hey-day was better. Plus, you have to remember that Rock and Austin was never really known for their wrestling ability (a lot of people refuse to admit they also have the "five moves of doom" move set that Cena is known for today). And as much as you'd like to think the Attitude Era was the golden era of wrestling, it's not! Yes, that was the period that had the high ratings and made the most $, but it was in the 80's where wrestling became mainstream and unregionalized, and if that didn't happen in the 80's, a lot of the stuff you'd be talking about today wouldn't even be possible. I will give it to you though when you said that wrestling has somewhat "evolved" since then. But, spotty hardcore wrestling with no meaning still does not beat a high quality wrestling match that tells a story with great ring psychology, which was a huge quality that many of the matches of the 80s had. Mick Foley and Undertaker was a memorable match, but the 2 high spots overshadowed the match itself, and it doesn't make a good complete wrestling match. And before you overrate a lot of the HIC matches, check out a lot of the early WarGames matches from NWA. Today's Elimination Chamber is just pretty much a ripoff of the WarGames. Big Bossman and Al Snow was in a HIC match, would you say that match is better than any of the WarGames matches? In conclusion, before you bash the wrestlers of the past, you should actually take the time to educate yourself about them and actually watch their matches back then. My recommendations, check out WWE 24/7 to watch some old matches, check out WCCW, NWA, and AWA. Because from reading a lot of your posts, it just seems like you're just so biased with the wrestling now, that you're just so quick to bash on the wrestlers of the past. Don't get me wrong, I loved a lot of the stuff in the 90s and today, but IMO, you can't really have a true appreciation for the wrestling business today unless you appreciate what happened in the 80's (as well as what happens in Japan).

Ripping off someone's gimmick just to try to get a wrestler over is probably one of the worst things a wrestling booker can do, IMO. Whoever gave the green light on this should be canned. I'd be willing to let "Black Machismo" pass, since Jay Lethal is actually very talented, but Shark Boy ripping off Stone Cold is just horrible. This just goes to show how inferior TNA is as an organization, not just compared to the WWE, but in general. It's a shame too, because TNA's roster has SO MUCH talent. On a side note, that "Coach" avatar you got is hilarious!!:laugh:

I'm hoping they'd also use the Elimination Chamber on the Smackdown-ECW side as well, to determine Edge's Wrestlemania opponent. They might as well, since that cage is already gonna be there anyway.

In terms of "in-ring product"/the "athleticism" aspect of wrestling, WWE (and the whole wrestling industry in general) is probably a whole lot better now, than it was in the "Attitude era". If you take a look at any credible wrestling sites like "The Observer", more matches in this era was more highly rated than the ones in the previous era. We can't forget, that a main reason why so many people tuned in around that time, was because the promos of the Rock and Austin were actually selling the merch, putting butts in the seats, and getting the ratings, rather than the actual wrestling itself. Not to mention, there were a whole lot of casual fans back then, and wrestling fans in the internet community are so much "smarter" now, which will lead to a decline in the industry in general.

This could be a hell of a match that can tell a hell of a story. Definitely looking forward to it.

Rumors have it that this might help set up a JBL-Y2J match at 'Mania, with my guess being the JBL making a wrestling appearance @ the Rumble and continuing a storyline with Y2J from there. Regardless, if a Y2J-JBL match happens, JBL better get in shape. He is a good performer because he's entertaining in the mic, and he was really over when he was the champ, but he does NOT look like he should be in a wrestling ring.

Wow cool! I didn't know there was a wrestling thread here. It's weird I just ran into this. But just some quick thoughts, I like WWE Raw this past week. It's probably one of the best I've seen in a while. They pulled out a lot in order to get all those people back in the reunion show. It's too bad though The Rock and Bret Hart couldn't make an appearance. And even though he is injured, I'm surprised I didn't see John Cena there (whether liked or not, he has been the face of the WWE for the past 3 years). My thoughts on TNA... they stink, the end! It's a shame though that all their great talent in their roster can't pull more than a 1.2 rating. Their booking doesn't seem to be any good. Plus, in order for the wrestling business to get back some of it's lustre, WWE needs a serious competitor. Ring of Honor seems to be a great up-and-coming indy promotion though. Their last two PPVs were really great shows.