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On 11/7/2019 at 10:25 AM, Hoover-ball said:

I have done it since they sent me an email stating that the Gold benefit is free food and cheaper beer at two spots in the club level. How else would you get that benefit if the card didnt let you into the club area. 

I have never had a problem. But i am also nice to people and that goes a long way so not sure it is official policy or I just make it work.

I'm going to try this for the Giants game.  What's to stop me or anyone else from walking out into a section and grabbing an empty seat?  It's also beneficial for the games with lots of rain or other weather.  

On 11/6/2019 at 10:45 AM, nonniey said:

Yep definitely part of the problem. Not a real fan at all.

And considering most of the league revenue is driven through TV contracts, you are part of the problem watching from home as well.  

Also, as an Orioles fan, I've found this whole concept of tanking to be fascinating, so I've read into the Astros and other teams that have done it.  At least in MLB when you have a stadium at substantially less capacity, the profit is great and they actually make more money.  Part of that goes into payroll for the product on the field- which obviously changes in the NFL with a salary cap and needing to spend a certain amount- but it also goes into the fact that they close parts of the stadiums and can close things earlier- essentially employing less people for less time.  

Funny that everyone says that the season ticket holders are part of the problem, but if more people showed up, they might be making less profits, and you are helping line their pockets even more by watching from home. 

21 hours ago, josh35b said:

My season tickets are in section 121 but I only have 2 seats(2 tickets plus parking ~ $3,500). I take the whole family to one game a year so I sold my 2 seats and bought 4 club level tickets off stubhub for Sunday's game. So I'd be curious to know, is this something new? Is this something only in the club level? I really hope they expand on this and make it available other areas as well. It's a really nice idea and doesn't cost them much at all. I would not have bought any food items on Sunday. I would have bought one beer instead of three.

It's only in the club level.  They also do hotdogs, sodas and a few other snacks for those in the Dream Seats (who also have club level access with their tickets.) 

4 hours ago, hail2skins said:

49ers are apparently hiking season ticket prices next season (first increase since the new stadium opened), but are going to make a lot of the non-speciality concession items free for STH.  Meanwhile, the Skins will be offering their STH tickets a dollar off a bag of peanuts.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/fries-with-those-season-tickets-49ers-try-a-new-business-model

They do that for the dream seats already, but I think that a substantial discount on non-speciality items, or even for free, would be a heck of a benefit, especially since you only have a very limited number of games.  That is one way to spur STH investment though, since concession prices can get out of control if you are coming with a family.  

I just got the same one.  

14 hours ago, Gellnasty said:

I will say, I started this season in the Green Lot and now after being upgraded to orange I paid my final invoice today.... I now have purple parking. This is amazing. Less walking but more traffic! I can't wait and I am not being sarcastic. I have been waiting for purple parking for years! 

I can't even get green parking.  Purple used to be reserved for dream seats and the other high ups.  

On 6/28/2019 at 8:32 AM, Howie411 said:

Got a call from the Redskins Ticket office yesterday asking me if I wanted more seats.  Supposedly the 2 seats "BEHIND Me" are available.  Guy said they wanted to ask their season ticket holders if they wanted seats before offering them to the public.      I just laughed.

I got a text earlier in the week regarding the same thing.  I'd actually have a use for a third on some days, but not enough to purchase outright.  

2 hours ago, MarkB452 said:

My take on the Redskins Gold program:

 

Honestly, while I want some value out of my season ticket program regardless, football is the furthest off my priority list.  Most of that stuff I just don't care about because it's an 8 game season.  That value means a whole lot more to me if I commit to partial/full plans for the Capitals or Orioles (this is my 6th year with Orioles tickets, and they just now came out of the stone age with their STH package.) . 

2 hours ago, psu2008 said:

For the few of us that still have ST, the 2019 invoices are up on our Redskins account. STH are now part of a rebranding they are calling "Redskins Gold." SMH

the Orioles did something similar this year.  I'm headed to check the website now, but I don't think they are going to add nearly the amount of value to the package that the Orioles did. 

4 hours ago, hail2skins said:

Was listening to Czaban's podcast today and he mentioned that someone had (on the sly) sent him a rendering of what the Redskins are looking at now for a new stadium, which they would prefer to be at the RFK site. Czabe described it as a Cap Center-type lookalike, and that the roof would apparently be nonretractable. I could not find a structure that Czabe describes on the video they have on the RFK Campus website. Czabe also mentioned the presence of a moat with bridges.....he might be confusing it with potential pedestrian bridges across the Anacostia, which are shown on the RFK Campus website.

 

Anyway, who knows if Czabe's source has any inside knowledge, but if the plan would be to build a totally enclosed, non-retractable roof stadium, I think my interest in going to games would wane considerably.  I wouldn't even be that crazy about going to a stadium with a retractable roof, since teams seem to use any excuse to close such roofs. I prefer the open-air environment at football and baseball games. 

 

  

While I agree with you on the stadium, you know Snyder wants to host the Super Bowl, the CFB National Championship and other events like Wrestlemania and concerts where they won't consider him due to not having a domed stadium.  I predicted that long ago as the one thing he wants above all else.  He likes money too much. 

And now to why I logged in today, I received my 2nd call from the ticket office this off-season, both times they've left voicemails letting me know I can call them with any questions and wanting to confirm my contact information.  They are expecting another mass exodus of STH's, not that I blame them, and I feel for some of the folks in the ticket office who are working it because it's a job, and getting reamed out by fans they have to call who don't want tickets anymore.  

Early thoughts on any of you guys renewing or not?  I am on the fence like I was after the GMSM debacle.  Even more on the fence if they keep this current program where I can buy tickets to specific games. 

On 8/17/2018 at 12:34 AM, hail2skins said:

Decided to buy a club level ticket for $20 and go to the game tonight. When I got upstairs I went to the table to get literature I told them that I had been a club level STH for 10 years in the past and the gentleman said "oh, so can we expect you back?" I said probably through Stubhub and he said that secondary market prices are going to skyrocket and that changes are coming that is going to tighten up the secondary market to make it harder for non-Redskins fans to get tickets and that he'd hate for me to not be there for the Dallas game. I said "We'll see."  The listing had sideline clubs for 7500, goalline clubs for 5750, corner clubs for 4500, and dream seats for 7300. Price negotiable depending on length of contract.

 

Half hour before game time, got a case of the munchies and headed over to the Johnny Rockets stand for a chocolate milkshake. Nope, choco milkshake not available.  Thanks Skins!  Of course, they'd be more than happy to take my money for the $100 buffet. Looks like STH will get a $1-2 discount on food items, but not on any sort of drinks.

 

Last preseason game I went to was in 2015 when the Lions ate RG3 for dinner. Recollections of that game are hazy, but I remember there were significantly more people at that game than there were tonight. Others might have different opinions, but I think tonight's crowd was shockingly low. Yes, I know, just a preseason game, but still. 

 

 

$7300 per ticket for dream seats?  When I have lower levels right by the visitor tunnel and essentially have those seats?  Thats crazy talk. 

9 hours ago, hail2skins said:

Put this in the GDT, but cracked me up seeing him on the broadcast touting the open end plaza in one of the end zones. If only they had thought of that when the stadium opened in 1997...…...oh wait!  Next thing you know, they are going to say, wouldn't it be cool if they had an area where kids could kick field goals, throw passes, run through obstacles...…………...

I'm surprised with the NFL's push on the Play60 or whatever they call it, that they haven't required a place like that in all stadiums.  I used to frequent that area with my uncle before he passed, when did they remove it?

14 hours ago, chess said:

 

if PSL's happen alot of folks including myself are prolly gonna drop.....

Agreed, I'm not doing it, nor am I going to migrate to VA if that's what they decide to do.  However, the trend in all sports is going smaller because of the stagnating markets and the increased in-home experience, so I imagine that they are assuming some sort of drop-off with just shrinking the size of the stadium.  No way is it going to be anywhere close to Jerry World- I would expect it be near the 65,000 or so capacity of the new 49ers stadium. 

2 hours ago, josh35b said:

Get ready for this. So I am a 15 year season ticket holder. My current seats are in section 121. I have yet to receive my tickets in the mail. I called today to ask when they will be sent. I was informed that because I already sold some games online and transferred the tickets that they weren't allowed to print them. So I said what about the 6 games I didn't sell? They said they would be happy to print them and send them overnight. I said but these won't be the colorful season ticket stock. She said correct. Then I said well what about the nice package with the free goodies? She apologized but said I wouldn't be getting that either. She said I can print my parking passes starting tomorrow and she will overnight me the 6 games on regular box office stock. I told her the reason I pay a premium for season tickets is I enjoy getting that package in late July with all my tickets and I like keeping the stubs as souvenirs. I told her I might as well just save money and buy them on stubhub. I told her that they should have told us this upfront and I would have held off selling the games I can't make. She just apologized again but said there wasn't anything that could be done. I'm done. This is definitely the last year for me. I paid well over $3,000 for tickets and parking and get nothing better than Joe Schmo who bought tickets from stubhub and saved 30% or so probably. This is after they removed my additional standing room seats from my account without them telling me. Had to come on ES to find out they aren't selling SROs to season ticket holders anymore.

 

The biggest thing is I wouldn't have found out about this if I hadn't called them. I feel at the very least they should have shipped me an empty box with the goodies thanking me for my purchase. Bonus would be to include the $500 parking passes and 6 games worth over $1800 that I haven't sold.

 

I really thought I would be a season ticket holder for life. I understand I could save money buying off stubhub. But it was never about that. Well if this is how I am treated then it will just be about the money from now on.

That's terrible, and indicative of the customer service experience across the board there.  When a STH of 15 years can't get the gifts sent to him that the rest of us got......not to mention those who didn't renew received as gifts- it's a horrible look and all you can think about is that they don't care about you now that they have your money.  The Joe Theismann ads are creepy, and they just sent me an email about great seats still being available.  While I like to think LaFemina can turn around the business side of things, it's ultimately going to be a sustained, winning football CULTURE (not just team) that brings the fans back.  You need to build it up like the Patriots, Steelers, Packers and Seahawks have done, competitive year in and out via the draft, no funny business with the team, etc.  

On 8/8/2018 at 11:11 AM, tshile said:

 

And just bad football an bad football decisions.

 

I'm only renewing because someone I know purchased the entire season, including preseason, from me. They wanted them. So they can have them.

 

The Griffin saga really sucked the hope out of me. Pending significant change for this organization, i think that may be permanent.

 

The handling of GM SM and then Cousins, has caused me to just not care. I don't even know who we drafted. Don't know the schedule. Couldn't tell when the first preseason game is much less who we're playing. The only real attachment I have to this team at the moment is talking politics on the forum.

 

I grew up going to games. I think watching football on TV is a joke and caters to people who can't handle live sports. I love going to football games. 

 

This organization has ruined it for me. I held on to the bitter end. I realize there are those that will hold on longer, but most people I know have already bailed. I was among the Greater Fools. I don't regret it, but damn if it doesn't suck.

 

Everyone who has given up their tickets will have their own reasons. Those are mine.

Wow.....when I first got my tickets two seasons ago, you were one of the most active posters in this thread.  

I totally understand where you are coming from though.  And I would be out too, if only for the fact that I am trying to hold out as long as possible until they do the inevitable move to VA.  I live south of Annapolis, it takes me literally 25 minutes to get to Fed Ex, and not even double that to get home if I leave with everyone else right at the end.  This year and last year, I will have four games where I've got to already get up at 7 am after working a Navy football game (the store I run for work has a huge relationship with navy, so I work all day Saturday for their home games and get home at midnight) so I'm not trying to add another couple hours to that commute, plus a PSL fee.  I'll be done at that point, right now I'll just continue to go and honor my uncle's memory with my tickets.  

I too love going to games.  I love my Orioles tickets- I have the 29 game package, and end up going to more.  I've been to a few Nats games this year, and I'm hopeful to get to PNC before the year is out as well.  I had Caps tickets a few years ago too, but had too many work conflicts over the winter.  Might I suggest Navy football games for you?  They should have some good seats available, and the tailgating crowd there is second to none.  Great experience, and if I worked for a different company, I would easily have season tickets there.  

On 8/8/2018 at 6:39 PM, hail2skins said:

Entertaining reading the comments with the WaPo article Samy linked.  One dude spent $110,000 on club seats over a 12-year timeframe. That's just brutal.

 

The stadium is certainly in a challenging location, and for sure folks had some issues with it when it opened, such as the upper level seats pushed way up there due to the club and suite levels that didn't exist at RFK.  But the Skins were not that far removed from the glory days and there was probably enough demand that even the $100-250 per game prices for the club level at that time could be had.  And no doubt, the losing is the biggest culprit in the declining demand, as well as the better home experience. But I still feel Dan has contributed to this problem in other ways like the installation of the dream seats, which pretty much made the lower level sidelines undesirable. That and taking forever to install a decent jumbotron.  

The stadium is in a great location minus the metro access.  There are any number of ways to get there and is situated right near a couple major highways and roads in the state.  That is the one thing I can not buy into.  Maybe the exodus from games, because I've only ever gone in one way because of where I live (by the tailgate lot and the used car dealership that keeps changing hands.). 

10 hours ago, Coach Janky Spanky said:

 

454.  But many sections, both UL and LL, are the same way.  There are about a dozen sections in which over 100+ seats are available.  And that's primary market, not re-sale.  Almost entire rows of seats remain unsold in the LL.       

That's where my uncle and a lot of old school RFK's sat for years, I have fond memories of those seats.  

45 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Lot of the opposing fan concentration I see tends to be on the visitors side of the lower level. I've always suspected that those seats are owned by larger entities that make them available to employees and are gobbled up by folks who are fans of the team the Skins are playing. Either that or they are held by individual STHs who don't go anymore due to the seats being undesirable since 2004, when Snyder installed the dream seats.

 

I'm a club seat snob and it cracks me up to see the Skins offering club seats for single game purchase starting at $430 (fees included) when you can go onto Stubhub and get club seats at least for the Colts game starting at $140 (fees included). I guess the Skins kind of have to do that to make the few folks that still have club level contracts not feel so bad, but still...………………..

You keep those seats to sell.  With my Orioles tickets, I'm two sections over from the visitors dugout, and when you had the division games and the big rivalry with the Nats, those tickets sell for almost double what you pay.  Triple if it's a Yankees or Red Sox weekend game.  Those STH's in the middle on the visitor side are getting premium value from Eagles, Giants and Cowboys fans every year, maybe even enough to pay for each ticket just with those three games.  

Like a lot of others, I'm in shock that there are so many tickets available.  I knew that there would be plenty, but this is quite a few.  The Redskins only have themselves to blame at the top for this, though.  

4 hours ago, Howie411 said:

Also haven't seen anyone mention it but they went to dynamic pricing this year fully.   Last year Pre-season had a cheap face value and all the other games had a higher value (but they were the same price)

 

This year most of the prices are different (will use my upper deck sidelines as an example).

 

Pre-season - $44 (both games)

 

Colts - $86

Packers $111

Panthers $86

Cowboys $159

Falcons $86

Texans $86

Giants $111

Eagles $111

 

About time, though I honestly think the Panthers tickets could sell for more considering they are so close and some of their fans used to be our fans.  

EDIT: the software merged this part of the post below:

Figured I would post here, as well as in the Classified section.....the past two seasons I bought parking passes from a user on this site who had Dream Seats, and he did not renew his contract for this year, so I am left looking for parking for the year.  I was spoiled last year with Purple D lot tickets, and would love to go back that way, but I would entertain any parking passes on that side of the stadium.  It is easier to get to my seats, easier to get to the stadium and easiest to leave the stadium.  Anyone have any passes to offer or any leads, feel free to PM me.  

16 hours ago, CTennant said:

 

Maybe I am a pessimist, but I see disaster coming.  When this was an option, I called and asked if they would have printers at the gates to give stubs to people saying where their seats are.  They said that they were still considering it.  Still considering it???  Think about all of the times that someone (WITH A PRINTED TICKET IN HAND) has mistakenly gone to the wrong seats?  I have never witnessed when this was not an honest mistake, but still.  If there is no stub, how often do you think this will happen now?  Having stub printers seemed like a no brainer to me.  But even if they have stub printers, what other corners have been cut?  I see this being the future when everything is digital and there is no paper.  But you have to do this correctly.  

 

-ct (trying not to be the old man shaking his fist at clouds...)

Different teams do it differently.  The last Capitals game I went to last season printed the paper stub like you said.  The Orioles have gone to more digital options this year and do not print anything.  The Orioles tickets are loading through the MLB Ballpark app, and you have to pull up your tickets through the app to get to it, and it's updated by the minute if you buy/sell/trade etc.  They could be using a platform like that. 

1 hour ago, Skinsfan1311 said:

 

Probably a long time. People were having a hard time getting face value for them. Not sure how much business sense it makes for a broker to buy them.

On the visitor side, depending on where you are at and our other opponents, it would make sense.  This year would be a good year for brokers, because you have the Cowboys/Giants/Eagles like always, plus get the Packers and another close team for travel in Carolina.   

1 hour ago, just654 said:

well that didnt take long just got "We Hail together" email to find all the seats. There is sections with over 100 seats open. WoW!!

Yup, and I wonder how long before brokers snatch them up. 

This is a result from the new guy LaFemina.  I'll take it.  The Redskins do a great job with the rewards program, but they still have room to go in other aspects of the gameday experience. 

On 6/9/2018 at 8:28 AM, hail2skins said:

This is curious to me. For instance, for the $7400 seats, are they actually taking off $3000 off the price to make the cost of the ticket $4400 per season, or are they taking $4400 off the price to make the cost of the ticket $3000 per season?

 

If its the former, then that would be in line with past offers. If its the latter, then that would be a substantial discount over past offers. If there is a way to upload what the Skins have actually sent, I'd love to see it.

 

I believe the Redskins asking price for the dream seats have been about the same as the midfield club seats have gone for. 

 

 

Sorry I wasn't clear.  The pricing discount is what you would be purchasing the ticket for.  

On 6/5/2018 at 11:40 AM, MarkB452 said:

...got a letter in the mail yesterday stating that "That there are a limited number of lower level seats available for you to relocate, upgrade, or add on to your account".

I have been a STH since 1999.

I got the same thing.

I also signed up for the club level ticket news or whatever just to track their deals, and I just had two questions for anyone in this thread:  

1.) Has this deep of a discount always been in effect for club seats?  I totally can see that being the case with how steep the discount is

2.) How does this compare to the "dream seats" in terms of price per ticket 

Premium Club Pricing Listed Endzone: $4,400

Premium Club Pricing Discount: $1,999 (55% discount)

Premium Club Pricing Listed Sideline: $5,650

Premium Club Pricing Discount: $2,4999 (56% discount) 

Premium Club Pricing Listed Midfield: $7,400

Premium Club Pricing Discount: $2,999 (59% discount) 

I really do wonder what the renewal rate looks like this season.  I guess ways to find out are for the first batch of upgrades to see what is truly available (even though they can be dishonest on that and hold seats back) and also see how many parking passes are available, if that's an option.  

I can't blame anyone turning them back in after this off-season and recent history......I almost did, but aisle seats are almost irreplaceable.  Also, my sneaking suspicion is that Bruce Allen will be in power until he brokers a taxpayer funded stadium in Virginia, so I am going to enjoy the NFL experience while I can, because I have no desire to drive into Virginia for 1 pm football games on a Sunday if we move in that direction. 

On 4/15/2018 at 2:08 AM, HouseBowlrz said:

 

... as will two tickets in section 113 on the aisle with plenty of room to extend the left knee/leg.

 

I was grappling with renewing until the announcement a month ago that the contract which I have been supporting for 20 years (come May), a service that has been active for 28 years, will be turned off mid-May as a result of the customer choosing not to exercise the next one-year option of the contract.

 

As I am still seeking new work within the organization (as well as outside) with the uncertainty of having a paycheck in five weeks, I cannot justify the expense of season tickets at this time.

 

 

... and an endless supply of COCA COLA products in my refrigerator.  (A hard lesson in Spring 2017 to discover Pepsi products make me sick to my stomach; the press release last summer clearly indicated unsweetened iced tea would be in the fountains but that never materialized.)

 

Back in the RFK days, being a season ticket holder had its glamour: smaller stadium, quality teams.

 

Nowadays, the proliferation of the secondary market at a larger venue in concert with a dysfunctional organization means it's hard to get face value for games.  Someone told me that he has been able to get Club tickets at the last minute for less than what I pay in lower level.

 

So, aside from the Redskins Rewards program, what incentive is there to retain them?  Fourteen years is a great run but the increased infusion of politics into the NFL has killed what waning interest I had.

 

Once I get my employment situation in order, I will probably become a semi-regular at Nationals Park: short walk from metro and I can get Diet COKE there.

Best of luck figuring out the work situation.  Definitely not worth the burden of season tickets at this time.  

Aside from Mountain Dew, I could care less about Pepsi products.  It's all decisions made to make more money.  Coke is outpacing Pepsi on all fronts, so they are offering great deals to the stadiums to switch products.  The Naval Academy did the same thing back in 2016.  So the Redskins cut costs on the licensing end, and probably still sold the same amount despite my opinion of it being an inferior product.  

I would highly recommend baseball season tickets over football if you have a choice, and the Nats do a better job than most of making affordable packages as well as doing great giveaways/promotions.  However, concession prices are about as much as Fed Ex, without the option to tailgate, so there is that to take into account.  I have Orioles season tickets for 29 games, and love getting to the park for BP when the gates open, and stay until the game is over.  If my uncle didn't leave me a sizable amount of money that my mother and I both agreed that he would want me to spend on tickets because of all the times we went, I would only have my Orioles tickets right now.