Califan007 The Constipated

1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

He is what he is and hes not in our long term plans. You play him to get a look at other guys, but not because of him. If Howell is ready to run the second team, you play him more.

 

Hes not going to improve, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value as a camp arm, a back up and it doesn't mean you cut him.

If you plan on emphasizing to him to always be prepared because you never know when you may be needed, you play him.

If there are any new wrinkles to the scheme, even minor ones, you play him.

If you think "he is what he is" there's no reason to keep him on the roster.

Fans think that. I'm pretty sure Rivera and Turner do not.

And again, this is about the suggestion of not playing him at all...

And in addition:

If you plan on him being the #2 QB, you play him.

If you're dead-on set in believing all Howell needs to easily surpass Heinicke is more playing time, you cut Heinicke.

If you want Howell to earn that #2 QB spot instead of having it handed to him, you play both.

2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

What does anybody gain from him playing?

 

If you want him to improve, you play him to give him the chance to do so.

If you think it's impossible for him to improve, you cut him.

If you're not sure he can improve, you play him to find out.

The only valid reason for not playing Heinicke in the preseason is if you think he's too important and are afraid he'll get injured.

Did everyone just collectively forget what preseason is for?...The idea that there's no reason to play Heinicke in the preseason is idiotic.

On 8/1/2022 at 12:23 PM, purbeast said:

That is not what she says in that video at all.

What did she say?

In case it wasn't posted...

If Wentz's poor showing during camp so far really is due to all the pressure of basically wanting to prove his detractors wrong, the Eagles are gonna feast on his mistakes.

6 minutes ago, goskins10 said:

 

I kinds of like 27 - 7 myself. I mean at 62% comp providing 27 TDs and only 7 ints, you would take that wouldn't you? I think yes. 

As long as it leads to wins, yes...because if not, I really don't give a **** lol. I'm among the seemingly few here who truly appreciated Smith and Heinicke, their physical limitations and all. Thankfully Wentz has only had one year where his team's record with him behind center was filled with losses. Whatever his stat line is, it needs to also include at least 9-10 wins. 

1 hour ago, goskins10 said:

Just for fun -  NFL ave pass att/gm is 35. 
 

68% comp rate = 24 comp 

62% comp rate = 22 comp. 
 

but yea it’s nearly impossible to throw an ave of 2 more completions a game.  
 

if they can reach him take more of his check downs he will be close to 70%.  

It apparently is for Wentz...he rarely has games with an over 65% completion rate.

My assumption is that his other coaches tried to reach him to take more check downs as well.

Looking at that video (I haven't really looked at them anywhere else together), who's taller: Howell or Heinicke? They both look short next to Wentz lol...

10 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I dont think people appreciate how hard it is to even get a QB at Cousins' level, let alone hope you get your hands on a unicorn like Mahomes or Brady.  

 

At best, the Vikes would have to hope to save some money to build up the rest of the team and hope they find a cheaper QB that can perform at 75% the level of Cousins.

The bigger point imo is that you don't want your GM making comments like that about the team's starting QB. I'm assuming "burning it down" either means starting over at the QB position or going all-out at the position like the Rams did with Stafford (and ironically like the Vikings did with Kirk lol). Either way, not a good soundbite.

3 hours ago, Thinking Skins said:

I didn't see the video, but I saw some Twitter catches by Terry and Johan and on the balls there were things like the WRs jumping and sometimes making awkward bends to get the ball. And I asked about it and got different responses but fundamentally it wasn't the perfect placement. These were catches though so I didn't mind as much. 

 

I was making a joke about one of his passes lol...

It's at the 0:14 mark if it doesn't start there automatically:

44 minutes ago, TheShredder said:

Where's Allen Iverson when you need him!

Dudes going to make some plays...We've all seen it.

What’s the saying?…”How you practice is how you play.”

On 7/29/2022 at 3:34 PM, TradeTheBeal! said:

King.

 

 

I am quickly tiring of the QB myth building lol...

Fitz and his beard, Heinicke and his sister's couch, Minshew and his prison bus...

4 hours ago, wit33 said:

 

Wentz is not an accurate QB (neither is Mahomes or Allen, though much better QBs than Wentz) let the dude gunsling, be a playmaker, and throw left handed passes

 

No, do NOT let him do that part in bold lol...

For the record, I think observing an hour of an 11-hour deposition is enough for someone to give their general perspective. Unless she just happened to come in during the only hour in which Snyder seemed truthful, I’d say it’s fair to assume it was a decent representation of how he more-or-less appeared throughout the questioning.

47 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Listened just now to Fortier from the WP and Standig.  their take:

 

A.  First two days weren't good.

B.  The next two days started off really good but he didn't end either of those days good

C.  His criticis who bash him for accuracy look to be on the money from what they are seeing.  But you also see some killer plays from him that you aren't used to seeing in the past from the Qbs who have been here

D.  Be ready for ups and downs likely during the season -- a QB who isn't consistent but can make some killer plays  

E.  He holds the ball in their view too long and wonder if that leads to sacks during the season.

 

lol, hopefully the national media deosn't get wind of this stuff, they already want to kill him.  

 

But again, i try to live in reality versus what I want to be true so I am not doubting the reports that Wentz isn't that accurate, that's been the rap really from the start of minicamp on.  But two optimistic thoughts based on all of that.

 

A.  Let Wentz work out hopefully the kinks early.

 

B.  Seems like the rap on him so far is he's better in the quick game and going deep versus some other stuff.  So major in the stuff he looks good at.   

 

 

My only real hope with Wentz’s inaccuracy is that 1) it doesn’t start to get to his head, which might have fueled some of the decision-making issues I’ve always felt he had, and 2) it doesn’t lead to turnovers. His low INT totals seem to indicate that it hasn’t so far. 

That being said, I said earlier in the thread that as much as I’d like to think otherwise, I don’t see this year being the year Wentz proves his detractors wrong. Soooooo much more goes into being a good QB that helps their team win besides how well you throw a pass. That’s why the two QBs with the best w/l records over the last 4 years were a 47 year old QB hopping around on one leg and a Walmart greeter-turned-QB with a noodle arm throwing wounded ducks to receivers. There was a lot that both had to do right to end up with the records they did.
 

I will also say, though, that if Wentz guides this team to a 10+ win season this year, give Scott Turner an immediate raise lol…because if he can scheme up an offense that can throw up a 22-16 record with Wentz, Heinicke, and Smith with one leg dangling from his body, then that’s someone you do NOT want to lose.

17 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

The ghost of anthony mix?

You have just won the thread lol…

17 hours ago, Redskins Diehard said:

I'm guessing you wouldn't feel that way if this Norton person, who actually happens to be an elected member of Congress and not some staffer, said something you wanted to hear 

Nah, Conn is legit in his consistency…he might say it with a different tone lol, but he would still bring it up.

16 hours ago, Thinking Skins said:

On the accuracy issue, my question is are the balls still catchable? Because it's different to have catchable but not optimal placement vs just bad throws that aren't catchable. 

After watching that video, its “catchable but not optimal placement” only if we have an invisible 14 foot tall WR on the roster lol…

In case it wasn’t posted…