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2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

John Shoop. Uh oh lol

2 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

Why are you using extreme examples? How about Jeremy Allen White? Who looked totally different just before he started working out and training for IronClaw

I'm using two huge guys. Let me be more clear, they don't test actors for use of PEDs, therefore you can be assured that most of the significant transformations (mostly mass, I don't think anyone is taking much to perform longer as an actor) are due to that. It's an open secret.  That said, if you're fat or skinny-fat you can certainly do better.  Oh here's one that is absolutely not natural, Kumail Nanjani.

The key part is that I don't care, they're just actors. You can put weight on in college, you're still growing. You can, of course, get in better shape as an NFLer, I just don't think it makes sense to expect a guy like Daniels to put on weight now, at age 23+, at least not enough weight (and naturally) to improve his game and agility.

48 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

It's not that difficult . I work with actors who do weight traing constantly depending on the role.

 

 

Hollywood don't test like the NFL, there's your answer. You really think a middle-aged Dwayne Johnson looks more sculpted now than when he was at his peak form in wrestling? Or that the dude who plays Reacher just really dedicated himself to the role?

11 hours ago, redskin301 said:

I was screaming at the tv when they passed on olave 

It's bizarre. I watched him closely in the game against michigan that year and even as a rival,  Hartline is recruiting his rear off for that position.  What stood out about Olave-- he moved so fluidly at the position it's almost impossible for a guy who moves and catches so elegantly at the wideout position to not be a success in the NFL.

You know who also moved very fluidly as a wideout? Jerry Rice.

But what do I know.  Olave was a guaranteed #2 hit at wideout. Just an easy pick. 

7 hours ago, IrepDC said:

 

You keep bumping this thread. What is a DE's job? 

To not suck.

11 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah I admit I'll take an L on this. I wanted to keep him, heck going into the season I advocated for exercising his 5th year.

 

Good thing I don't run things I guess. LOL.

I checked out for a few years and I was still right on Young once I watched a few games. You guys need to start listening to me. 

I called Tom Brady as a floor of very good system QB (remember those?!) but with a higher ceiling because of how he performed in the really big moments at Michigan.  Just saying. My only question about him was the deep out and he improved his throwing base in the early stage of his career (wasn't as concerned about the deep ball he didn't seem to have an issue with that.)

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It's titled "Deez."

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I wouldn't hate a trade down if they love someone else like McCarthy.  That would be my guy if i had to pick a 4th QB in this draft.  Speaking of a guy with wheels, McCarthy is really fast too but didn't use his legs a ton in college.  Wonder if that changes in the NFL because when he takes off he can motor.  Kiper was saying in that same podcast he doesn't see McCarthy as a first rounder.

 

 

McCarthy used them enough. As I watched the Championship game, I said he was going to have to run to get comfortable again. Apparently backed up near the end zone, he had already recognized Cover 2 (maybe Tampa 2) and exploited it for a huge gain to get them out of trouble. I see a guy like Josh Allen and while I don't think you want JJ running like that or trying to truck people, he can definitely use his legs while he gets comfortable. I found that he often didn't run but instead ran outside on play action of some kind or another and did well on those plays on short and intermediate throws (between layers of the defense.) Having heard him break down what he saw that caused him to throw to Roman Wilson vs. OSU, or that he should run to get out of trouble in the title game, I think he's much more adept than his career has shown (in the film room.)

I want guys who mix fantastic physical skills with demonstrated results in winning and the sort of temperament that lends itself to leading and winning as a quarterback.  Arguably, a lot of guys have great tools and people salivate over but they haven't shown they are winners.  Others may be winners or good leaders like Colt McCoy was, but lack the tools to consistently deliver. McCarthy not only has both but grew up in an organization that develops players and team chemistry (at least for now, if Harbaugh leaves who knows what effect that has).

2 hours ago, ThatNFLChick said:

Also everyone is making fun of the JJ McCarthy talk but Benjamin Albright has repeatedly said that teams are much higher on him than people think

 

 

Don't forget me.  I've been trying to educate people on ES because as someone who actually watched him, know his achievements at all levels of competition, and I just don't see it from these other guys. At least we know that Caleb has the physical tools. I just prefer a guy who demonstrated time and again he will do what's necessary for the team, was a 5 star recruit, only lost once as a starter, and has shown that he has the physical tools to thrive in a more modern NFL attack.

Some guys just win because they're pretty good college players who are surrounded by super elite talent. The Wolverines develop talent and have a winning and team-oriented culture now. 

Here's what you do: 1. Grab JJ McCarthy (skip Maye, not because i know he's going to bust but I don't know what he is or is not), 2. get yourself something to drop down (or perhaps do a swap after everyone's selected). Let him sit like he did at Michigan but maybe get him some occasional reps. Then look to start in year 2.

Getting Alabama guys made sense for awhile (mainly because of talent but also winning culture) but I think the gold standard of organizational culture even before winning the championship was Michigan and we're possibly going to have a HC who helped build that.

7 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

It's no coincidence that the people who call into 106.7 are also the same people who want to see Bieniemy as the Head Coach. In this case, correlation and causation are the same.

I don't know enough to understand what this means but I heard someone call one of the Sirius sports shows saying they wanted EB to be head coach or they're going to be mad.

What in the world are these people smoking? 

Why did you specifically call out Allen and Jones as runners? Seems odd and your description of Allen seems especially weird since he's been running since HS.

22 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

I feel the same way, but its still worth noting, dude was a 4 star, I think 5th or 6th rated QB in his recruiting class, produced. I don't expect him to be legit, but that's still impressive resume so far, but yeah, I want no part of it, especially with a 1st to 2nd round grade. late 2nd to 3rd, if i didn't have a high 1st, sure, but I do, so no. 

People who pan McCarthy don't understand the sacrifices he made to play in a system like that. He has a very good pro arm and often makes pro throws dropping a ball in narrow windows or over defenders. He was injured in his throwing base since Penn State. That affected the rest of the regular season in terms of performance and the playbook.

He won a state title,  a national title with IMG, was actually a 5 star recruit.  And then he overcame some bad plays last year in a shootout to make it close. Then returned and went 15-0. Lost one game as a starter and repeatedly made big plays to win games or bail the team out.  See multiple in the CFP alone.

He has to progress but he has the mental makeup and physical tools to win in the NFL. It would be a mistake to dismiss him as a journeyman in a league where Brock Purdy is a starter on a top 3 team.

I want winners! And I want people who want to win! 

We picked a guy from a strong organizational culture in terms of executive leadership and talent acquisition. The Ravens have been a standout organization for a long time now and the DCs who did their apprenticeship at Michigan seem uniquely talented and get results just about immediately. And they're from the Ravens.  

I think the QB, offensive head coach pairing is overrated. 

People acting like McDonald is a new name or didn't have a top defense in college too and turn around the fortunes of Michigan. 

You saw what another Ravens tree coach did to Penix, Jr., the award winning offensive line and 3 nfl wideouts in the national championship?

And you guys don't want continuity there on that side of the ball? Yeah please avoid the system that limits or even strangles the top qbs and offensive systems in college and pro game. 

McDonald is a great defensive coordinator. This isn't his first rodeo against a talented Stroud. 

People forget he and Minter were the difference makers in beating Ohio State for Michigan.  McDonald is who we want for coach unless Ben Johnson is just that much better a head administrator.

3 hours ago, Chump Bailey said:

Top 20 TE’s

 

1. Brock Bowers Georgia *Ridiculous athlete
2. Ja’Tavion Sanders Texas
3. Cade Stover Michigan

I assure you that while Cade, in retrospect, probably wishes it was Michigan, he is indeed a Buckeye. Good player, though. 

As a counter to Warhead not caring about the first two points:

1. Ohio State, which was an excellent team this year, rolled out a backup freshman QB vs. Mizzou and couldn't muster any offense. Yes, they were missing McCord and MHJ but Ohio State always has a great deal of talent. Furthermore, the CFP committee doesn't agree with this frame. They kept FSU out because the FSU offense looked mediocre with a backup and terrible with the 3rd string. The fact that USC's backup goes in and looks like Drew Brees is...suggestive.

2. How you play against top teams matters. That's why many top QB prospects are top prospects, their play against good teams not Western Vermont.  As an additional piece, Peyton Manning could not beat Florida and choked in big games in college (not all, just that's why he didn't win the Heisman, frankly.) In the pros, he seemed to carry the exact same problem with him. He was good in "pressure" moments but not the "highest pressure" moments. 

I used to do small research projects relating to what conferences produced at certain skill positions most reliably but that's all changed and now that PAC schools are going to the Big Ten and ACC, no idea how that interacts or molds these programs into something different.  Other than one legendary family's connection to the southeast, it could have been argued at one point that the SEC did not produce very good QB prospects. And that was when they all played relatively pro-style offenses. 

It would be interesting to see a similar analysis of the last 5-10 years (any more and I think you run into issues with how offensive innovation burst onto the NFL but was then countered and now you see all sorts of non-pro style concepts in regular use in the NFL.)  For instance, the PAC teams don't play defense very well from a statistical standpoint.  But does that enable their QBs (aside from USC) to develop their passing skills more? What is the recent record for QBs. Yes, Aaron Rodgers went to Cal, but that was so long ago, I don't know that I'd put stock in it unless it represented continuity with the present.  

45 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

And the Lions whiffed on a number of high pick WRs before they tried again and drafted Calvin Johnson.  You can't be scared based on the past, especially when it's a totally new group.

It's wild that Charles Rogers is deceased. I believe there is another former Lion wideout,  less acclaimed, who had severe mental health issues and is also gone way too soon. 

Just now, peanut0862 said:

Did we request an interview with Steve Wilks? There was a post a few pages back of an interview with Peters and he raved about Wilks. So maybe he could be a contender

The security guy for Jerry Springer who went on to have his own talk show? Big,  charismatic? Sure. But I don't think he's head coach material. 

20 hours ago, illone said:

 

 

Ghost! Whats up my dude.  We gotta fire up a good ole Qb debate like the Brunell vs Ramsey days.

 

🤠

Yo bro. My first major thread on that was a correct diagnosis of the Brunell problem in 2004. Lost like...tears in rain.  

Looking back, the Campbell debates (Was right on that too) were a less joyful reiteration of the Brunell debates. 

I'm so old,  I remember when ASF did an intensive projection of Greg McElroy being the next Tom Brady. Lol

14 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

Everybody knows that Ramsey would have won that playoff game.

That's true actually. 

Randy

In college sacks count against rushing totals.

6 minutes ago, NickyJ said:

Yeah, I don't think so either. Which is why I think he'd have to choose between being Belichick's OC in LA or Vrabel's OC in New England. iirc, he hasn't been an OC for anyone but Belichick and Brady, so I think taking him as an OC is a risk in itself that other HCs would be wary of.

Ok I totally misread your post, my bad. 

Josh McDaniels? Lol he's not getting another HC job. 

4 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

The reporter should have been smart enough to understand that Bill Walsh coached in an era where you could keep your players, a pre free agency era. Roster turnover is 10x what it was in the eighties, so while I still think it's possible for messaging to get stale, the turnover on rosters is so infinitely higher from what it once was, that such messaging is largely not an issue anymore. Just look at draftee retention rates even with first rounders past the first contract? Its ridiculous. 

That's largely why I think the league is weaker than it used to be. Continuity matters and while it can work against an organization that is in a bad place, of course, the great teams are really great.