pride over life

[88Comrade2000]

I feel sorry for the Russian Submarine crew. They will probably die, if they aren't dead already because of Russia's military pride.

Hey, in a world where two former enemies are friends now; we should help out when needed.

Who cares about pride. The family members of those sailors would won't all the help they can be afford. It may be too late now though.

What a shame.

[indyskinsfan]

My fiancee' and I were discussing this, since I had been in the european theater and military environment as either a soldier or civilian and she as a civilian. What we came up with was there were confirmed activities going on, that usually happen between the Russians spy subs and ours; a lot of manuvering and "mind games".

There were unconfirmed reports that the Russian officer in charge of the sub, ordered the firing of torpedoes, just before it sunk. Supposedly, these mechanisms were malfunctioning and may or may not have caused the problem.

WE THINK THIS IS WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON:

1. Russians are notorious for "dumping" nuclear waste and they still don't care who goes down with it.

2. They have a "shabby record" for nuclear accidents in their own fleet and on land, besides the infamous Cherynobol accident.

3. Their own heiarchy of leaders "suppressed" the immediate assistance from outside sources from other nations, since what is on it is not in agreement with the Geneva Convention on warfare, the NATO alliance and the United Nations agreements between friendly or non-nuclear powers.

There's intelligence reports on that sub that could da** them right out of favor with nearly all nations, other than Cuba and Iraq. Now that the information has been garbled electronically, the Russians have agreed to assistance, in a "cold" calculating way - the men are very likely - dead. interviews of other Russian sailors, showed an unwilling arogant government in these types of matters.

There was no response to the last communication, that I heard on the news before I left for work, last night.

4. The "site" is very strategic in controlling points of strikes from other nations, including the United States. How far was were these guys going, before they were spotted and monitored by satellite and radar and what was "really" their mission, that their own government wanted them dead, if the mission failed. Also, since the heiarchy controlled their movement, they also have the power to cover it up.

Man, maybe we should get NavyDave in this, and get his thoughts, what do you think?

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[ by indyskinsfan on August 17, 2000.]

[indyskinsfan]

Here's an article on the incident from the USAToday.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. Navy submarine monitoring a major naval exercise in the Barents Sea detected the sound of an explosion believed to be related to the sinking of the Russian submarine Kursk, two U.S. government officials said Tuesday.

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The Russian government says the accident was Sunday. U.S. officials say the sound was detected Saturday, and they were not able to explain the time discrepancy.

Russian Navy chief Adm. Vladimir Kuroyedov said in a statement Tuesday that there appeared to have been an explosion in the torpedo compartment in the nose of the submarine, sending it crashing to the sea bottom.

A Russian rescue effort was under way in hopes of saving some or all of the crew of 116 men aboard.

U.S. government officials, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. submarine detected an explosion in the area where the Oscar-class Russian nuclear sub went down. They said it was not the sound of a missile being fired, but they could not define the origin of the explosion.

It was a ''working assumption'' that the explosion - heard Saturday morning local time - was related to the sub's sinking, one official said.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley declined to say what, if anything, U.S. vessels may have heard in the Barents Sea.

Quigley said a Navy surveillance surface ship, the USNS Loyal, was ''a couple of hundred'' miles away from the site of the accident when it happened. He said he was not aware that the Loyal, which is equipped with sophisticated underwater listening devices, provided any information about the Russian submarine.

Quigley would not discuss a U.S. submarine presence in the area.

''We don't discuss submarine operations other than to say that our submarines operate throughout the waters of the world,'' he said, adding that the Pentagon has no independent information about the circumstances of the Russian sub accident or the fate of its crew.

''We are relying on the Russians as the best source of information about what happened to their own submarine,'' he said. ''We're certainly anxious to hear more and are very concerned for the safety of the crew. But we have no independent means of ascertaining. We don't know what was the cause of the accident.''

Quigley said there was no evidence that any U.S. vessel was involved in the accident.

U.S. submarines routinely shadow Russian submarines on deployment, although their cat-and-mouse game of attempting to avoid detection is played less often now than during the Cold War, when Russian subs were more active in the world's oceans.

Defense Secretary William Cohen notified Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev on Tuesday that the Pentagon was willing to help with the rescue effort. Quigley said the Russians had not replied. President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, made a similar offer Monday and was turned down, Quigley said.

''They felt that they had enough assets on hand, Russian assets on hand, to carry out the task at hand,'' the spokesman said.

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<FONT COLOR="Yellow">Have my doubts about the official version, since it will never include the classified information.</FONT c>

<FONT COLOR="Yellow">indyskinsfan</FONT c>