bsmsss Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 vinny is great at picking sure no brainer picks like arrington,samuels and ramsey--but out side of round 1 its ugly with him picking look at this list of who he picked after he choose the no brainers in his 3 drafts he has run as a skins gm handam-soon to be cut jacobs-????????/ dockerty-has potential betts?bust? cartwright-good 7th round pick- russell-? bust? reggie coleman greg scott-out of football bernard jackson-cut bauman-good nicle db lott-will be cut grau-out of football fliemester-will be cut--was cut twice in nfl career already mookie moore-out of football tommy nash-out of football jammie deese-out of football ethan howell-out of football jerry deloach-back up dt in houl llyod harrison-out of football eric whitfield-out of footba i fear vinny running our draft--once he gets out of round 1 he seems clueless--he worries me alot picking our players!!!!!:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Vinny won't be making all of the personell decisions this year. Gibbs will have a say in who makes the roster (so did Spurrier for that matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hamden is not "soon to be cut". He's assigned to europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogwash Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Russel has been hurt, right? Jacobs was hurt for the first part of the season Cartwright should be a starting fullback, he was as steal in the 7th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Gibbs and his staff will have a lot of say so about the players drafted. Some players on our team still haven't had the chance to succeed like Jacobs, Betts, and Lott. With a new coaching staff comes a better leadership. We had an inexperienced staff and the players didn't respect them. That's why are team was lousy the coaching was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Russell cannot be counted on. he's been hurt all the time. In fact drafting him that high was considered questionable as he was injury prone in college. And since gibb's is not likely to keep 6 recievers, he's a long shot. Figure Coles, Gardner, McCants and Jacobs have the inside track for the top 4 slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakkhim Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Cartwright has well lived up to the expectation that any 7th round pick could offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Rock will be a great special teamer! Not big enough for the power football Gibbs likes - just a spot change of pace kinda guy who doesn't have the speed for that sort of roll. If he makes the team it will be as a special teamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displaced Fan Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Nope. Gibbs has a vision and a plan. The coaches Vinny had to work with didn't. Just look a how he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truant Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hmm... those picks look pretty bad all bunched together like that. McCants was a 5th round pick. He's been a nice find. But Vinny and Co have struggled outside of round 1. I expect that to change. The last few years have been a little better. Clifton Smith is a find as an undrafted player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 McCants was Schottenhiemers pick. Sure, it's hit and miss, but not all the picks are Vinnys, Hamden for example, was a guy Spurrier wanted. The draft the past couple of years has had three guys picking. Vinny's job is to evaluate, he doesn't make the actual choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I am still trying to figure out some of these guys you posted about. I thought I was pretty well in tune with our roster, but some of those names, are either wrong, or I have a horibble memory. Anyways, here is every draft since 99. Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 2003 1 2 12 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida 2 3 17 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas 3 7 18 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana 2002 1 1 32 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane 2 2 24 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa 3 3 14 79 Rashad Bauman DB Oregon 4 3 22 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah 5 5 24 159 Andre Lott DB Tennessee 6 5 25 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State 7 6 20 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee 8 7 19 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA 9 7 23 234 Gregory Scott DE Hampton 10 7 46 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State 2001 1 1 15 15 Rod Gardner WR Clemson 2 2 14 45 Fred Smoot DB Mississippi State 3 4 14 109 Sage Rosenfels QB Iowa State 4 5 23 154 Darnerian McCants WR Delaware State 5 6 23 186 Mario Monds DT Cincinnati 2000 1 1 2 2 LaVar Arrington LB Penn State 2 1 3 3 Chris Samuels T Alabama 3 3 2 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State 4 4 35 129 Michael Moore G Troy State 5 5 26 155 Quincy Sanders DB UNLV 6 6 36 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford 7 7 10 216 Delbert Cowsette DT Maryland 8 7 44 250 Ethan Howell WR Oklahoma State 1999 1 1 7 7 Champ Bailey DB Georgia 2 2 6 37 Jon Jansen T Michigan 3 4 12 107 Nate Stimson LB Georgia Tech 4 5 32 165 Derek Smith T Virginia Tech 5 6 12 181 Jeff Hall K Tennessee 6 7 11 217 Tim Alexander WR Oregon State If you really want to compare Vinny to someone, compare him to Casserly. Vinny was far better, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Oh and once Gibbs watches Hamden, he will be our next Stan or Trent Green. Someone who can sit back and learn, while being the #3 QB. He is also going to NFL Europe, I think, and will at the very least be around till the end of training camp. He has a much better chance of sticking than Hassleback because of his arm strength and size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neophyte Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Originally posted by fansince62 Rock will be a great special teamer! Not big enough for the power football Gibbs likes - just a spot change of pace kinda guy who doesn't have the speed for that sort of roll. If he makes the team it will be as a special teamer. I read this a lot and don't understand it. Apparently no one realizes that Rock was the fastest player at the Combine two years ago. He just does not have the rep as a burner so everyone says he does not have the speed. Seems like I used to hear this about Davis too but not anymore. Rock is better than most think. I believe he was our best all around back this last year and deserves a shot at being the man this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanders 83 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Rock is certainly faster than most people make him out to be. We shall see about getting a shot to be the man though. I wonder what Gibbs is thinking about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 rock wasn't the fastest player at the combine. He ran in the 4.5's which was probably the fastest FB but certainly not the fastest time for all participants at the combine. And should fill a role similar to that of G. Riggs. Good backup and short yardage guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Mookie Moore is a Falcon, not out of football. Jeff Grau is a Dolphin, not out of football. Andre Lott won't be cut. Hamdan is going to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 neo....although rock was used in a certain way - up the middle or off tackle - he clearly doesn't have the break-away speed one usually associates with a third down back. he's not an open-field runner who makes folks miss and then accelerates away. he's not big enough to be an effective blocker - you see him leading the charge up the middle and stuffing players 50-100 lbs heavier? I don't. And we all know how effecgive all the RBs were pass blocking. nope....I just don't see it. conceding that rock was the only back who reliably produced in short yardage situations last season - I don't see him winning out over Betts. They won't keep both guys as running backs. Rock's best chance is as a STer. the dominant trend in the NFL these days is bigger, faster, taller. why it is that Vinny drafted several undersized folks over the last two years - people who may have been stellar athletes at the collegiate level - is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.