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Interesting thread

If this is "awful" sign me up. Also both teams sat a lot of starters in that bowl game, since it was pointless, and a lot of players entered the Transfer portal. ALSO-Also that story about him wanting equity was fake news (And not even allowed by the NFL either way). I really think we're getting into paralysis, by analysis territory/Prospect Fatigue. Not looking at the whole complete picture (Especially in the context of his perfomances vs the Top 25). Whether he has the mettle to be the defacto Team CEO that'll be decided in interviews. My opinion, if have the chance to draft Williams, you run to the podium. Unfortunately I don't think we will (Unless he REALLY doesn't want to be in Chicago).

It's not all his fault about how the Bears screwed his development, but he has some backbreaking fundamentally bad flaws. Even at Ohio State where he was surrounded by studs. All of his Oline got drafted, and he had Allstar WRs. Still ate a lot of bad sacks, and also had a really high time to throw. He's demonstrated very little ability to get rid of the ball on time. He holds onto it which screws with the Timing of the offense. Really bad field vision as well, regularly misses receivers running open, can't pull the trigger on NFL open windows, bad anticipatory thrower. These are fundamental kind of flaws that you can't just coach out. I'd be interested only if we brought him in and made up some kind of position for him ALA Taysom Hill. End the charade of trying to make him work as a QB. Just line him up everywhere, get him a full head of steam, and let him run like hell. You can probably throw some trick passing plays in there too. He's probably got too much pride to accept that kind of arrangement, but I think he could make a lot more money that way. Otherwise he's on a fast track to the Bridge/Backup QB pipeline.

Not really much context given the variance in weapons, OLine, Coaching, Scheme, etc... but something to think about. I'd like to see what I assume are correlating stats (Pressure rate, Time to Pressure, WR separation, etc...).

Not really much context given the variance in weapons, OLine, Coaching, Scheme, etc... but something to think about. I'd like to see what I assume are correlating stats (Pressure rate, Time to Pressure, WR separation, etc...).

Each draft is different, and this year IMO teams know where these guys stand from a talent perspective. Each guy has put a lot on film. From an on the field, throwing perspective I don't think there's much to show. It'll be mostly dependent on them not blowing the interviews, and the medicals coming back good. I don't really see Daniels and Richardson as the same kind of situation either. I think Daniels solidly cemented himself as a 1st round type of QB talent, with the production to go along with it. MAYBE more of 1-year wonder type if you're really getting to the nitty gritty (Although it doesn't look like he was ever THAT bad during his collegiate career). Richardson was known to teams, but he was a lot more of that classic late process riser that you describe, descended from the Josh Allen orc tribe of QB'ing, IE; Raw athletic specimen that was probably overdrafted due to QB inflation tax, that some team talked themselves into believing they could teach him how to play QB (Still TBD on that one). While I don't think the Bears will draft Daniels at #1, I'd actually give it better odds than you actually granted. I don't think there's as much guess work involved with Daniels, he's a more polished product than Richardson was, and has put a lot more on film. You don't really have to talk yourself into that one making sense as much if you're in the Top 5.

I think any GM is taking in the whole body of work, not just a stretch of games, not even just 1 season. To keep it simple on the consensus I think anyone with two functioning eyes would have to be more impressed with Williams than not. Also I'm pretty sure that graphic was debunked (I might search for the actual stats on Twitter when I have the time).

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Read a twitter insider report (Who was also right about some other news regarding the Bears) saying internally their president Kevin Warren and their team is really high on Williams (Fields also supposedly got a really bad internal review from their analytics department FWIW). I see #4 as the more likely to happen. From a pure talent standpoint, I think all the teams know about what these guys can do. I don't think underwear Olympics will drop anyone's stock. I guess Williams could interview really badly, but from all indications people at USC & Oklahoma talk about him glowingly.

A 2nd rounder is a bit rich for Fields. He wasn't the only problem in Chicago, but he was 'a' problem. His operation, and processing is just waaaaay too slow. His D2 backup had a sack% of like 3%. Behind mostly the same offensive line Fields' was at like 12%. You simply can't win with a guy that eats sacks at that rate. He also likes to hold onto the ball which throws off the timing of the offense. You gottta make a financial decision on him shortly on top of all of that. If you like Daniels I'd just take him at 2. I suppose it's possible we could play the Cardinals and Chargers off of each other, to get a few extra picks, but they'd REALLY have to like MHJ. And that still doesn't guarantee that the Patriots just don't take Daniels at 3. Or maybe if we were to trade with the Chargers the Cardinals start playing games like they have a crazy offer for a QB to move down and pass on MHJ. I get the sentiment, but we don't wanna get left holding the bag.

Interesting write up on Fields from a Bears fan perspective. The TLDR of it; Seems like if they were to keep Fields it would be more of an emotional, cultural decision. The math really isn't adding up as far as the statistics and financials are concerned. Also some interesting little facts in there about QB draft history. https://www.dabearsblog.com/2024/the-bears-should-move-on-from-justin-fields#more-36183 I think any trade talk will be up in smoke by March or April. If they pass on drafting a QB at #1 again their GM more & more hitches himself to the belief that Fields can be the one that takes them over the top, even though it seems like the only thing they know about Fields entering Year 4 is that he's really fast, and happens to play QB.

"Damn good" seems a bit of a stretch, but maybe that's subjective. He has been better, but overall still a rollercoaster. VS Falcons - 268 passing yards 1 PTD (Another was debatably dropped), 45 rushing yards 1RTD, 1 Fumble (When game was out of hand) VS Arizona - 170 passing yards 1 PTD, 1 INT, 97 rushing yards 1 RTD @B-rowns - 166 passing yards 1 PTD, 2 INT. 30 rushing yards, 2 Fumbles VS Detroit - 223 passing yards 1 PTD, 58 rushing yards, 1 RTD (Chicago controlled the pace against Detroit for most of the game) @ M-innesota - 217 passing yards, 59 rushing yards, 2 nearly fatal fumbles (Their defense gifted them like 3 or 4 INTs in good position against Dobbs, Offense managed 0 TDs)