RedskininATL

Personally, I think pick 33 and 34 are both going to be WR to Buffalo and New England.  I think at 36 we have to go at best player available at DB in either Dejean or Mckinistry, or whichever WR is available between Ladd, Mitchell, or Coleman (not a fan).    Not sure who will still be there at 40 but no OT out there is worth that pick.   So I either go Edge there or WR if a good one is still on board or DB/WR whichever wasnt the pick at 36.     I would then trade into the later 2nd and get that OT at a more logical position vs reaching earlier.    You will have to give up two of those thirds to get there but it would be worth it.     

To the people who keep harping on how only offensive minded coaches have won Super Bowl the last 7 years.    This years coaches are both offensive minded coaches, yes, but their respective defenses are both ranked in the Top 10.   I don't mind the Dan Quinn hire at all as long as the right OC comes in here with him.   Having a solid defense can take you a long way, and will put you over the hump if the offense is even above average.   After enduring Snyder and his idiocy for 25 years, I am going to trust the process here.  It is the perfect storm for us to turn things around  (new coaches, super high draft pick, lots of picks and cap space).     Our defense this year was one of the worst, if not the worst, I've seen fielded in watching Washington football since Charley Taylor was making catches.   It needed to be fixed or it didnt matter what offensively minded coach you brought in.     The OC choice is key here.  Quinn makes the right one and this could turn around a lot faster than normal

As much as I would hate missing out on possible QB, I would still roll with Howell and pray these teams would make trades like this

2 minutes ago, method man said:

This perspective around elite talent is where I’ve landed as well. Most of the contending teams seem to have at least 4 blue chip players. A major reason a team like the Jags won’t breakthrough is because they have 0 blue chip players (maybe Etienne is an exception)

May not be having his best year... but Lawrence is blue chip.   Maybe 4-5 teams in the league who wouldn't take him over what they currently have.   

It astounds me that JDR still has a job this morning.    While I understand holding on to Rivera, who should be let go too, at least until maybe the bye week, there is no reason JDR should still have a job today.  You can't make Tommy Devito look like an all-pro.   You can't have guys that are open by 10 yards 5-10 times a game.   Its awful defensive football.  I've seen tweets and reports that "the defense is complicated and if we don't communicate properly, that happens.  It astounds me that this only seems to happen to us......and maybe the Chargers.    3rd and Long and we sit there and rush our 4 DL's....OL stops them and QB has 8 seconds to find an open WR against a DB group that can't communicate.    

Wouldn't like the idea of BB coming here.   Wouldn't want to give up the draft capital we just attained to flush it away on a head coach who will want way too much power in the personnel role, which he hasn't excelled in.    There needs to be a new GM brought in, and that GM gets to make the decision and hire the new coach.   Lets do this right for once.   Trading for BB screams of a Daniel Snyder move.  

It surprises me that people still have their holdups on Howell.  Playing in just his 11th NFL game doing what he is doing.   Philly, New England, and @Seattle isn't the easiest run of defenses to be performing against with a woeful  (better lately) offensive line.   He has been much better lately about getting the ball out of his hands and into the hands of Gibson and now Robinson too.   Sure he had a couple where he held a little too long yesterday but overall he has been fantastic.      JDR needs to go.  Not sure what his scheme is exactly anymore but if I see a Mayo covering a Jackson Smith-Njigba type WR on a crossing route more than one time in a game  (three that I can remember yesterday), I'm positive he has no clue what to do with his LB's     No blitzes at all.  QB's with 5-7 seconds to throw are going to feast week to week.   Jack, what you're doing isn't working.   Try something else. It can't be any worse.    Like a lot of others, I didn't expect this to be a playoff season, but I wasn't expecting Howell to look quite as good as he has either.    Losing respectably @ Seattle is always a better feeling than getting run out of your home stadium by the Bills and Bears.   But it's no thanks to Ron and JDR who won't change whats not working.   

Well maybe now JDR will change his scheme up and not rely completely on the front four "getting home" and send some better blitz packages, especially in key situations.  Watching Detroit last night and wishing we would do stuff like that instead of letting QBs sit back there and get 4-5 seconds to let their WR''s beat our DBs

This is how my mock draft went.....wanted to shore up the OL more

First time the team has been on in Atlanta this season.    Hoping it will be the last.   So painful to watch an offense that has talent on it not be able to figure out how to effectively use the talent in any way.   Defense, in particular the line, has picked it up over the last couple of weeks but this was probably the worst offense in the NFL we were playing.   I thought the CB's played well for the most part but its sad that when giving out stars @KDawg is going to have to consider our punter to be in the mix.

Maybe they weren’t enamored with any of this years QBs.   This allows us to draft LB or DB.  Even stud WR.     Of course.  It’s also just another year of kicking rocks down the road 

6 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

You do. But it's the 19th pick. Not a top 10. And there is no one else on the board with anywhere close to upside of Parsons if the board falls that way. 

Fair enough.  I would still trade down in that situation.  If he's there later I would take him then, and the draft pick I picked up makes the risk less significant.   

2 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Parsons. And I am not even thinking twice about it. No chance I am passing up that mix of size and athleticism at 19.

And you run the risk of him being out of the league in two years for some off the field issue.  (see Guice).   Not saying Parsons would be a stupid pick but for a team trying to change the culture he wouldn't be the ideal pick, in my opinion, talent or not.      I would lean on trading down and picking up draft capital for next year to move up and get our QB then

Sims to me had me holding my breath every time a punt went in the air.   Not only did he drop too many he also let too many hit the ground in bad places that ended up pinning us deep.   With Samuel I don't know if we have a need for him anymore.   We definitely wouldn't need him if we drafted Amari Rogers in 3rd.   Rogers was a pretty solid PR at Clemson and will fill the slot role at times perfectly.  

Still think we need to find a TE or LB here in FA.    I think Zaven becomes our eventual draft pick or we trade down later in the 1st and pick up more draft capital in this deep draft (or next years) to set us up to get long term QB next year better.

10 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

6 seasons of over 1000 yards and 65 TD's in 9 seasons......he's knockin on the door, probly needs 3 more very good seasons.

Yeah, I agree if he has those three seasons.   But Gary Clark, in only two more seasons, has 50 more receptions, 1500 or so more yards, and the same number of TD's while averaging almost a yard more per catch  (14.5 vs 15.5)  (while playing alongside Art Monk and Ricky Sanders most of the way)    Throw in the playoffs and G.C has another 35 or so more receptions and 6 more TD's.    And for some reason, G.C hasn't even sniffed the Hall of Fame.     But yes, if he has three more really good seasons I can agree with you.

3 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

AJ, Fitz and DHop....3 HOFers. 

Not sure I put AJ in the Hall of Fame.   Career stats don't merit it, especially in this pass happy era of football.    Never had more than 11 TD's in a season.   Less than 700 career catches.   He was really good for a five year span, but that's not HOF worthy in comparison to some others of his generation

Najee Harris in the 3rd is a C+     Is that a Najee Harris that plays at Plymouth State or something. 

37 minutes ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Go back and look at what he did for his draft picks for his entire tenure for the Lions and look at Lions won lost record why he was there.

2009 AND 2013 Produced at least 4 or 5 quality long term starters .    Outside of those years it was pretty bleak yes.   Some bad picks and questionable character picks too.   Ebron over Donald and OBJ (though they had CJ and Golden Tate on roster already) can be brought up too.     Hopefully he's learned something from that run with Detroit, being with some better organizations and will be better at the role with us.    It can't be any worse than what we've had (up until very recently)

1 hour ago, veteranskinsfan said:

Just heard on the radio that Martin Mayhew missed on picking Rams star Aaron Darnold in the draft.  Ugh....

But the Lions reporter said that he was ok as a General Manager.

12 GM's missed on taking Aaron Donald in that draft.   Hard to fault a guy on missing on a player 6 years later.  How many teams missed on picking Tom Brady for 6 rounds.   I'm not saying Mayhew's got the golden touch either but I don't rely on one missed player as the standard for determining whether or not he's good

He was as impressive as I've seen behind center for us in a long time.   Now we are pretty much QB-starved  watching the likes of some that have been under center for 20 plus years and this might be like the Eddie Murphy joke about a starving guy eating crackers and saying "they are the best crackers they've ever had, but he really was dialed in vs. Tampa Bay.   I would love to luck into a QB once like everyone else seems to (Romo, Warner, Prescott, Wilson) and not have to sell the farm to get one.   Hope he gets a little stronger and can keep playing like he did.  We were a much different team with him in there

1 hour ago, KDawg said:

Got a bunch more to do... But so far:

 

 

WR		College	Ht/Wt
1	DeVonta Smith	Alabama	6-1, 175
2	JaMarr Chase*	LSU	6-1, 200
3	Jaylen Waddle*	Alabama	5-10, 182
4	Chris Olave*	Ohio State	6-1, 185
5	Rashod Bateman	Minnesota	6-2, 210
6	Seth Williams*	Auburn	6-3, 224
7	Kadarius Toney	Florida	5-11, 190
8	Amon-Ra St. Brown*	USC	6-1, 195
9	Dyami Brown*	UNC	6-1, 195
10	Rondale Moore	Purdue	5-9, 180
11	Marquez Stevenson	Houston	6-0, 190
12	Tylan Wallace	Ok. State	6-0, 185
13	Sage Surratt*	Wake	6-3, 215
14	Tamorrion Terry	FSU	6-4, 230
15	Tre Walker	San Jose St	5-11, 180
16	Damonte Coxie*	Memphis	6-3, 197

 

 

I'll post the writeups when I finish. 

 

Here's who I have left (and I have to add some guys, too:

 

 

Anthony Schwartz*	Auburn	6-1, 179
Trevon Grimes	Florida	6-5, 214
Tutu Atwell*	Louisville	5-9, 153
Randall St. Felix*	USF	6-2, 211
Tarik Black	Texas*	6-3, 206
Terrace Marshall	LSU	6-3, 200
Marlon Williams	UCF	6-0, 215
Dazz Newsome	UNC	6-3, 197
Tyler Vaughns	USC	6-2, 190
Ihmir Smith-Marsette	Iowa	6-2, 175
Jaquarii Roberson	Wake	6-1, 182
Reggie Roberson	SMU	6-0, 200
Amari Rodgers	Clemson	5-9, 210
Elijah Moore	Ole Miss	5-9, 185
Nico Collins	Michigan	6-4, 222

KDawg.   Take a look at Cornell Powell from Clemson too for a later draft pick  (5-7)    Was 5th year Sr. who finally got to play more this year after sitting behind Ross and Higgins.   Watch the OSU game this year and what he was doing to Wade.   

If Lance falls to 19 I would jump all over that and try to get a Veteran arm in here for a year or two.   We've had good luck with guys "falling" to us over the last few years (Allen, Payne, Sweat {though we had to move on that one})  I think KDawg is right and Buechele could be a good pick up later in the draft.   I really hope one of the WR's falls to us at 19, or Harris at RB.  We need weapons badly, and a QB that can throw more than 5 yards down the field to them.

2 hours ago, KDawg said:

Depends on who Jacksonville’s HC is... I’m going to go on the assumption it’s Meyer.

 

1- Jags - Justin Fields

2- Jets- Trevor Lawrence

3- Miami- Jamar Chase

4- Atlanta- Penei Sewell

5- Cincy- DeVonta Smith (swap with Chase if he’s there)

6- Philly- Micah Parsons

7- Detroit- Zach Wilson

8- Carolina- Trey Lance

9- Denver- Rashawn Slater

10- Dallas- Gregory Rosseau

11- NYG- Jaylen Waddle

12- San Fran- Patrick Surtain

13- Chargers - Kyle Pitts

14- Minnesota- Christian Barmore

15- New England- Receiver to be named later

16- Arizona- Zaven Collins

17- Oakland- Wyatt Davis 

18- Miami- Najee Harris

Even with Meyer I don't think Jax would pass on Lawrence.   Meyer was never Fields' Coach at OSU.  He's only played for Ryan Day.     Lawrence, despite what happened the other night, is a better prospect overall.   Fields closed the gap a little with that game but Lawrence will be a better pro, imo.   

1 hour ago, Chris 44 said:

Don't Settle for mediocrity, keep your Ion the playoffs.

It so nice to finally start to Kerrigan.