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Yeah he is REALLY funny. At first I thought he was a ****y jackass from his prefight talks for the Liddell fight, but once I saw him on UFC All Access and coaching on TUF, I saw that it was all jokes and he's hilarious.

3 guys on the card: Marcus Aurelio, Cole Miller, & Glieson Tibau...ATT!!!

What is all this talk of Forrest's "size"? He's only 2 inches taller than Rampage and doesn't look THAT physically impressive. Rampage looks more jacked to me. I just don't see Forrest being able to pick up and slam someone who has attempted to armbar or triangle him like Rampage can.

I want Rampage, who wants to sig bet me? I'm calling Rampage by 2nd round KO.

i don't think you can label the first Pulver fight a fluke because of how the 2nd fight played out. Pulver was a much different fighter the first time they fought. Pulver won that first fight because he was the better man that night, no fluke involved.

Ok well maybe fluke was the wrong word, but BJ got better, A LOT better and avenged his loss so I don't count it. Pulver's game has evolved too shown by his anaconda choke on Cub Swanson when everyone said all he had was a big straight left, but he's nowhere near Penn.

This is the only thread I've been posting on here since the end of the season so let's keep it going. I know, UFC's not til' next weekend and Affliction not until 2 weeks after that, so there's nothing to talk about right? WRONG.

Who is your favorite fighter and why? Let's keep it to one.

Mine's Penn. Part of it is that I'm originally from Hawaii but I also think it's cool how quickly he earned his BJJ black belt and dominated the Pan Ams. His flexibility on the ground, technique on the ground, and takedown defense when he wants to keep it off the ground are sick.

I also think it's cool that barring the Pulver loss, which I consider a fluke because of how easily he dominated in the rematch, he's only lost to opponents that are naturally larger than him = Lyoto Machida (205), Hughes (170), GSP (170). The Unanimous Decision win over Renzo Gracie is also impressive.

I believe that he is a phenom and he knows it, that's why he didn't take his conditioning seriously, figuring he'd get the KO or the tap before it went the distance. I think the back to back losses to GSP and Hughes were eye opening to him so he took some time off, got his mind right, hired a strength and conditioning coach for the first time in his career, and has looked unstoppable ever since. He's light years ahead of anyone at 155.

I fell asleep sometime after the Spencer Fischer fight and woke in time to cut thru the fog for McFedries' demolition of Beast East. :doh:

That was awesome. When I looked at them both before the fight I would have told you it was gonna go exactly the opposite of the way it turned out. That Beast East guy was scary lookin.

Was anyone else wondering why the hell CB Dolloway likes to lay in people's guards? If you want to ground and pound, fine, control the biceps, throw some shots, but then POSTURE UP!

Every submission from guard I can think of begins with you breaking your opponent's posture. CB does that for you.

HAHAHAHA...you guys missed my joke...I don't know the guy's name.

Eddie Gordo was a character in the video game Tekken, whose style of fighting was Capoiera

It's Eddie Gordo! Duh...

A fine display of Capoiera

Oh, roll, donut, bread...Geez...you got me...well played sir, haha

So do they teach you how to lay off the donuts and make weight at American Top Team? Or perhaps their version of "roll" includes more than just grappling?

Rolling is grappling and it's all you do in pure BJJ training which is how you get a BJJ black belt. BJJ and MMA are 2 different things. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Alves isn't one dimensional. he has black belt in bjj. he just prefers to KO people, as opposed to submitting them.

Thank you. All of the Alves bashing was annoying me. BJJ is American Top Team's bread & butter.

For those of you who don't know:

Everyone credits Helio Gracie as the father of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, he actually learned from his older brother, Carlos. Helio was really young when Konde Koma came from Japan to Brazil and taught Carlos. Carlos had a son named Carlson. Carlson's best student was Ricardo Liborio. Liborio co-founded Brazilian Top Team and went on to co-found American Top Team when he came to the states. I've rolled with him and I can tell you even in his 40's his still a beast. None of his pro fighters can pass his guard.

Also, having a black belt in BJJ is not like having a a black belt in Karate or Tae Kwon Do. You don't learn some moves, get a new belt, learn more moves, get another belt, etc.

You learn all of the moves up front, all of the positions, all of the submissions, etc. You "roll" (ground sparring, no striking) every class. When you can start hanging with and sometimes tap people one belt higher than you, you are promoted. It is not uncommon for someone to be a white belt 1-2 years before being promoted to blue belt and it is also not uncommon for someone to take approx. 10 years to earn a BJJ black belt.

Now if anyone else wants to trash Alves or any other member of ATT, I will come through your monitor, kick you in the leg, take you down, G n' P you 'til you give up your back, sink my hooks in, and RNC you.

That would be a HELL of a fight. I had that last Torres bout at "Faber vs. Penn" as candidate for fight of the year.

That wouldn't even be a contest. Faber's height and reach disadvantage is too big. Plus he went to Hilo to train with BJ for the Pulver fight and got out jits'd every time they rolled.

Who is that he's wrestling with?

Dana must have known about the Affliction card much longer than us regular people. If he knew he wanted to compete with it, why not start planning earlier?

You are wise and diplomatic, I retract my previous statement.

Actually, a lot of MMA fighters are breaking that mold. Hughes? Silva? Henderson? Franklin? GSP? These are just a few examples of men who take this sport seriously and train for it like a sport. I can tell you that a lot of the top guys don't look at this as brawling, they look at this as a sport and train like it's a sport; if you saw how much these guys train, I have a feeling you'd agree with them.

Leben and his ilk are jackasses. They are never going to be at the top b/c they are jackasses. They don't have the mentality to make it to the top of the sport, plain and simple.

Leben is an origingal Team Quest jackass. Now it's Ed Herman.

At least you admit to the "untrained eye." People who don't appreciate this sport don't understand the positioning that goes on during the "ground game" or the technique that the guys display while standing up. EliteXC probably wasn't the best first network display of the sport, but to deny that there is legit athleticism and training going on in this sport and that it is an outright brawl is a little absurd.

If you could stop picking apart my posts like I don't train Muay Thai, BJJ, & MMA, and am not an avid fan of the sport, that would be great. I know who Silva, Franklin, Hendo & GSP are. I wasn't talking about them. You're not telling me anything new.

i disagree somewhat. no sport has picture perfect atheletes. For every Chris Leben & Kimbo Slice theres an Anderson Silva or GSP who represent the sport the way it should be.

However, MMA is a special sport. Sure there is always someone making bad headlines that's in the NFL or MLB, but no one is questioning whether or not football and baseball are legitimate sports.

To the untrained eye, MMA looks just like an all out brawl. They don't know how much technique is involved in boxing, kickboxing, judo, wrestling, submission grappling, and brazilian jiu-jitsu.

I was hoping that EliteXC, the first live demonstration of MMA on network television would showcase some great technical exchanges of these disciplines, but I was disappointed overall. The big name in the main event has only been training MMA for 1 year!

Carano's fight was probably the best fight of the night. That title fight would have been the best one, if not for the BS eye poke stoppage. Also, by MMA rules Kimbo was no longer "intelligently defending himself" against the cage in round 2 and the fight should have been stopped as he recieved elbow after elbow to the head without blocking, no matter how soft the elbows looked.

Some people are saying that still having that incident fresh in his mind, that same ref (Dan Miragliotta) having recieved much criticism for that non-stoppage, that is why he prematurely ended the Vera fight.

Yes, Vera was mounted, but he was covering up, moving around, and hadn't been rocked by any real shots and that he would have survived the final 15 or so seconds til the end of the 1st round. We should have seen round 2.

MMA will never be accepted as a legitimate sport until it's athletes clean up their acts. With the antics of Chris Leben, the backyard brawling of Kimbo Slice, and the up and comers of The Ultimate Fighter getting drunk and tearing apart a nice house and sometimes fighting each other in the backyard EVERY season, the average American that is not already a fan of combat sports does not have a good impression of MMA.

Kevin Burns (a brazilian jiu-jitsu blue belt) got Submission of the Night bonus for subbing Roan Carneiro (a brazilian jiu jitsu black belt).

Carneiro has to be feeling like **** today for being subbed by a blue-belt who took the fight on short notice

The belts only matter in a pure BJJ "rolling" situation. Anything can happen when you're hitting each other in the face.

Alves needs to make weight blah blah blah

He said he hurt his ankle and couldn't run or push as hard as he would have like to to cut. You saw the ankle taped.

Why was Babalu kicked out of the UFC?

They are saying that Kimbo tapped during that part. Remember how he was in that standing Guillotine and then all the sudden was put of it when the camera came back?

They're also saying that the crowd saw the tap and voiced their disapproval at the end of the fight...Was anyone else wondering why they booed Kimbo? That explains it.