Sellersfan

TH is reminding me of Doug Flutie. Incredibly average but just keeps persevering and winning. Fans and coaches will covet the prototypical QB (6’5”, rocket arm, college pedigree) and Heinike will spend his career constantly finding ways to win and battling for respect. 

7 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I agree. The paradox is that Chase's play wouldn't have happened without Chase, but because we have Chase we don't have a QB to take advantage of the play Chase made. 

I think that thought could be expanded to offense and defense as a whole. Neither side performs in a vacuum.
 

I don’t think we are tapping the potential of Sweat/Young because they rarely play with a lead where they can “pin their ears back” and full out blitz. You need an offence with sustained possession and the ability to put up points to allow the D to wreak havoc.

Yep. Frustrated for sure!

Tired of looking towards draft prospects and team needs mid-October.

Saddened to think a defensive minded coach can build the right environment for a young QB to turn a franchise around.

Resign myself to a team built for defense, a strong run game and a “Dilfer-esque” QB managing the game.

5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Darnold is damaged goods. No team that wants/needs a QB right now will take him. He needs to be a reclamation project on a quality team that can build him back up like the Steelers or something.

Agree 100%! 
 

Darnold’s confidence could be shot, and he is shell shocked like David Carr or Matt Leinart.

53 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think you’re missing the context.

 

Allen doesn’t really make anyone say, “yes! Our franchise guy! He is going to turn us around!”

 

What people ARE saying is, “yes. Kyle Allen is a capable spot starter/stop gap in the NFL and would be great to have as a backup long term.”

 

Short of a franchise risking move with a big trade and given context of our draft positioning, our plan may not be able to go from F -> A. It may be from F-> C -> A

This, to me, is reasoning for keeping Allen/Smith/Heineken instead of trading for a guy like Darnold. We’ve seen them and know they are “okay”. We dump them, trade for Darnold and he’s more of the same it’s just wasted assets.

Would Allen/Turner be a fair comparison be Kyle Shanahan/Rex Grossman? Guy won’t carry the team as a starter, but he understands and can run the offense which should help all the QB’s in the room.

1 hour ago, RWJ said:

I love the guy!  If we were fortunate to get him in the 2nd after drafting LOT Leatherwood with our 1st, I'd be very happy! 

Unfortunately I think Mac Jones is going in round 1. I just hope we can stay at 19 and he falls to us. I worry about Det/Denver/SF/NE grabbing him after Lawrence,Wilson,Fields,and Lance are gone.

5 hours ago, KDawg said:

In that lens I agree. But I think it’s dangerous to say that it wasn’t a failure. It was. But not because the draft pick didn’t pan out. Because the guy no one apparently wanted was selected by the owner.

I will give you that it was a massive failure to allow the owner to pick the QB based on the guy going to the same school as the owners son. However, Haskins fooled many draft “pundits” and most mock drafts had him as a first round pick, with some having him top 10. Everyone done messed up grading him. Jay had a lot of short comings but he could evaluate QB talent.

Has anyone figured out how much of a cap hit an expensive vet QB is going to cost us?

If we were to go with a Stafford, we are definitely letting Alex go, plus paying for Haskins hit. That has to represent a serious chunk of change for the QB position ($40-$50M?).

Likewise, trading Stafford is going to be a $19-$24M hit to the cap for Detroit. Next year it drops to under $10M. Would it not be best for Detroit to hold Stafford 1 more year? New GM and HC can come in and see what they have on the roster. Do they really want to start with a new QB too? They are in a perfect spot to get a Zach Wilson or Trey Lance and let him sit behind Stafford for a year, and then the full re-build starts.

I am far from an expert on the salary cap implications so please correct me if I'm not seeing this correctly.

17 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

Something I wonder is whether there's a seasonal aspect to the calf. AKA, you can expect him to hold up fine in the first 3/4 of the season but once it gets cold he'll probably get flare-ups in the last 4 games in December.

Maybe, but the game he went out was in sunny Arizona around 70F.