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I’m surprised they didn’t take a WR yet, but only because I heard they were trying to trade back into Round 1 to get one.   
 

I wonder if AD Mitchell got snatched from us….

also, maybe the possibility of Aiyuk might make them less interested in a WR?…

36 minutes ago, CapsSkins said:

 

Wow. Including Caleb Williams?

I always thought it was a bit odd that the Bears didn’t even kick the tires around Daniels…. I could have seen him being in contention for the #1 pick.  And before you say I don’t know what I’m talking about, I’m a grad student at USC so I’ve had a close look at Caleb these past two years.  Definitely has some stuff he needs to work on.

3 hours ago, Skintime said:

No kidding, we have had 30+ years of fools gold. Why not a few more

Kirk Cousins was fools gold.  Carson Wentz was fools good.  Sam Howell was fools gold.  They were all comps for Drake Maye, whom I would consider to have been the ultimate fools good.

 
JD will not be fools good.  You can mark my words. 

Would be great if the Raiders totally miss out on any of the top 5 QBs.  That’s what they get for trying to steal our guy.

2 minutes ago, ClaytoAli said:

@FlyBigBeard ain’t happy 😂

He’ll be fine once JD starts dicing up the Cowboys during the regular season 

JD5 let’s goooooooo!  Best draft ever.

1 minute ago, FlyBigBeard said:

Unfortunately I can see this as well. He will surely get hurt and miss games every year. Strike 1... On the older side ... Strike 2 .... He was really only accurate on deep balls this year and look who his surrounding cast was elite wide receivers. Without them he is below average...Strike 3...I see this ending badly. Another RG3 but smaller..it will be fun when he is running around making splash plays til it's not and he is hurt on the sidelines. I hope I'm wrong and he is not the pick or that I'm wrong and he is a All Pro year after year. Goodness I hope we don't look dumb like the Panthers did last year and pass on a guy who brings a team straight to the playoffs 😬 and get a little guy who can't play in the NFL 😮‍💨 ....and watch Sam light it up in Seattle 😭 as a life long fan it's just the Redskins... Commanders 🤢 way. 

Your last sentence brings up a point I was about to make about Maye fanhood.  I suspect a strong predictor of whether or not someone favors Maye over Daniels is whether or not they believe Sam Howell was a serviceable option at QB or not.

I consider Howell to be straight up garbage, and that even with a better O line, he would have been terrible.  Of course, it’s not something that can be proven one way or the other.  However, I suspect that how you feel about Howell can be a pretty accurate predictor of where you fall in the Maye versus Daniels debate.

Am I right or wrong here?  Anyone who thinks Howell was trash also think that Maye’s a better pick than Daniels?

2 hours ago, redskinss said:

 

By all means show me why that is the case.

 

The only evidence I've seen is a poll on here that leans heavily towards maye, certainly not a large enough sample size to be scientific but I'm open to being convinced the opposite is true, where is your evidence?

 

The only polls I've seen involve nfl front office personnel and coaches.

 

You correctly noted that the poll taken was one “on here” so that is something I would take with a grain of salt.  
 

Instead, I’m looking at articles and comments and Twitter feeds and Instagram posts.  For example, look at the comments to the recent WaPo article debating the relative merits of Daniels and Maye.  I know maybe that doesn’t count as hard evidence and you are correct that a lot of polls may be of coaches and football professionals so by definition not “fans” per se.  
 

But if one wants to assert that Maye is a more popular choice than Daniels among the fanbase at large (again, not Extremeskins), I would find that very very hard to believe.

50 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

Where do you get the impression that extremeskins is an outlier and the majority of the fanbase wants daniels?

Even if that were true which I have no reason to believe it is your premise about the front office wanting to get ahead of a p.r. problem is absurd, as a matter of fact the only evidence we have of this front office suggests the opposite. 

The overwhelming favorite for head coach was Ben johnson and Dan quinn was undoubtedly an initial letdown and they leaked absolutely nothing.

 

The way people are convincing themselves that whoever they want is going to be the pick is getting more and more laughable and this is one of the funniest ones I've seen yet.

 

 

If you think the majority of the fanbase prefers Maye, you’re delusional.  
 

The Quinn situation was totally different - they have complete control over who they pick at #2 whereas their choice of coach was not something entirely up to them, as Ben Johnson and other candidates took themselves out of the running or were hired by other teams.  

If they were decided on Maye, I think they would have made it clear by now.  The reason: among casual fans, and yes, the majority of the fanbase, though of course not at Extremeskins, picking Maye would be viewed as a disappointment.  I believe this new FO and ownership group is very savvy about PR and optics.  If Maye really was the pick, they would want to “get in front of it” as soon as possible and start getting their fans, especially their casual fans, to be acclimated to and “ok” with the choice sooner rather than later.  

4 hours ago, RWJ said:

If he's taken it will be at #2.    

They'll run the clock all the way down and select Drake Maye.

Which would be like getting a lump of coal for Xmas for most fans of the team.  
 

Outside of Extremeskins, most people think Daniels is a clear choice for the #2 spot.

If the trade offer to Chicago is true, I’d say that’s also more evidence Daniels will be the pick.  
 

He’s much more similar to Caleb than Maye is in terms of playing style, and it shows the FO wants to make a “splash.”   They could boast they got this year’s Heisman winner, while Chicago got last year’s.

3 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

Not me.  I think we do it too, but it's a **** up and I'm going into this eyes open.  If we do this and Jayden is skinny Justin Fields and Drake Maye becomes Josh Allen part 2 in New England, Adam Peters's career is over.

yeah, how will his career look if he passes on Jayden in favor of Maye and Maye becomes Sam Howell 2.0 or the second coming of Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen, while Daniels is the NFC’s version of Lamar Jackson and wins multiple super bowls with the Giants?

1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said:

  
Over the past 11 months he absolutely has been the consensus number 2 pick. It’s not debatable. 

you’ve been living inside the extremeskins bubble for far too long.  Google Jayden Daniels and Commanders and you’ll see the vast majority of hits of any kind (from all kinds of sources) have had him at #2 to the Commanders since at least the Mariota signing and just recently it’s only gotten stronger and stronger.   There are some that list Maye as the likely #2 but those are probably less than 15% and are clear outliers and are seemingly dwindling with each passing day.

3 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

Winning the Heisman and numbers in college don't correlate to NFL success.

 

yes, but my point is that Maye didn’t even have those stellar college numbers to point to, so why don’t we have even more skepticism towards him, rather than less…?

Seems like he’s being given way too much benefit of the doubt, whereas conversely, for a QB who actually did put up those good numbers, there’s a tendency to dismiss them out of hand.

1 hour ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

and this is the same kind of logical fallacy that has people pining for Sam Howell…. Trying to prove a positive point with a negative…

”well, he didn’t have X so he could have been good if he did have X”….  That’s the most that can be proven: that the person COULD have been good.   Yet people mistakenly convert that COULD to an IS.  The reality is that even if he had a solid O Line and strong supporting cast, he also might not have had success.  We just do not know.

And yet they claim the evidence of Maye succeeding in the pros is somehow greater than the evidence supporting those who actually did succeed (even if it was with what some might say is a better O line and better receivers and supporting cast).
 

A lot of Commanders fans did it with Howell and now seem like they are doing it with Maye.   

In other words, if Maye had the same O line and receivers as Daniels, would he have put up the same numbers and won the Heisman?  We simply do not know.  It is by nature impossible to know.

But yet we want to say that non-knowledge is stronger evidence of his likelihood to succeed than the fact that Daniels actually DID succeed with the O line and supporting cast that he did have.  

Doesn’t make sense speaking purely from the point of view of logic.

6 hours ago, SkinsFTW said:

 

I'm almost to the point where I hope the Gnats pick Daniels. His high water mark for me is a mini Lamar, maybe being a dude who gets you to the first round when he's not on IR but can't get it together in the playoffs. Might even win a playoff game or 2 on a legendary team like last years Ravens if he's can play a full year in 3-4 seasons from now.  But there's no comp for him being a SB winner so I don't see it. I see Fields lite or RG3 with a weaker arm. Someone mentioned he was just sacked 22 times last year, well Fields was only sacked 21 times the year before he was drafted. Then like 135 times in less than 3 full years playing.

 

Maye might not even be that good but his ceiling is more like Allen, maybe even Favre or Elway because he does seem to be competitive like that. And Elway might be a Top 5 GOAT so that could be a stretch but not out of the question.

In a nutshell, you’re crazy.

If the Giants get Daniels, he will torment us for the next decade.  Daniel Jones already made a laughingstock out of our team for most of the times he’s played us, and I shudder to think of how we’ll fare against the Giants if Jayden Daniels ends up being their QB of the future.

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Agree, I have made similar points.  Maye having a crap O line with subpar weapons is a good prep for the NFL.

 

but you know what’s also good prep for the NFL?  
 

Actual games played.  In this case, Daniels has nearly 3x as many as Maye.  And has actually seemed to improve over those span of games rather than regressing.

9 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Taking the exception as the rule is usually not a good proposition.

 

The chances that we'll suddenly turn into a SB contender in year 1 are miniscule. If our FO (again, key word...IF) believes that the best option is to pick Maye and let him sit a while before starting but that once he fixes his issues he has a great shot at being an elite QB for the next 10-15 years, and that Daniels doesn't have the same long term upside, then you always go for the long term play.

 

I don't think Maye needs to sit. Or if someone thinks Maye has enough issues to sit then the same could definitely be said for Daniels. I think they could both definitely start right away. But I'm also not the coach or GM of the Commanders.

Daniels has nearly five years of experience and over 50 games played under his belt.  Maye has only two seasons and less than 20 games.  That itself already points to Daniels being more ready to play and less likely to need to sit than Maye.

but I’m sure you’ll find a way to discount this pretty objective piece of evidence which favors Daniels and perhaps somehow spin it in Maye’s favor.  

3 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

You do realize that you're basically alone on an island with this, right? I've never seen or read anything other than both Maye and Daniels being extremely hard workers. Even most of Maye's most vocal opponents don't claim he's not a hard worker.

you're missing my point.  I never said that Maye doesn't' have a strong work ethic. Of course, every single QB at this level has to have worked hard to have gotten to where they are. 

I'm saying that Daniels has been touted in various places as having an insane work ethic.    It's the ones that are obsessive bordering on pathological that really take it to another level.   The ones who are there at 4am in the morning.  Brady was apparently one of those.  I've heard the same said about Daniels so yes, I do believe that while both Maye and Daniels are hard workers, it is Daniels that has the more obsessive work ethic.  Now of course this could all be BS but I have seen/heard that comment made about Daniels.  I have never seen it made about Maye.

43 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

This is either super lazy or super biased. Everything I've ever read about Maye says he's an extremely hard worker, film junkie, very smart. He and Daniels are basically equal on that front, from any sources you can find.

Not at all.  I've heard from multiple sources that Daniels literally lives in the study room to an extent that might be seen as excessive.  Never ever heard that about Maye.

3 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

I really want to do that for Daniels. I’m  a UCLA guy and hate all things USC but if we had somehow ended up with Caleb I would be all in with him. I am 100% on board with Maye and even if they get crazy and we end up with JJ or Penix or Nix I would be cheering those guys.
 

Daniels is going to take work for me. I really dislike the guy. I just see him as a guaranteed injury and bust waiting to happen and I don’t like his attitude or his mom throwing teammates under the bus. But I will give Peters and DQ the benefit of the doubt and suck it up reluctantly eventually before the season starts. 

Quite the opposite for me.  I find him likable for a simple reason: apparently he has a work ethic (and a hunger for film study) that rivals Brady….    That’s the kind of QB I want to build my team around.   Maye strikes me as more of the frat boy type who would prefer going to UNC basketball games than staying up late studying film in the film room.

37 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said:

Yeah it's funny. If the team picking high already had a QB then sure you can trade. But you have 3 teams at the top all needing a QB in a great QB draft. Why the heck does anyone think they can trade up because they need one. Good luck, just like you can't trade back without a willing party, can't trade up just cause you want to. 

Exactly.   If that were the case, Caleb to DC would be a done deal by now.

1 hour ago, El Mexican said:

 

I know, right?

 

The most important draft in decades. Expectation is tremendous.

 

I get everyone wants JD to be the next Lamar. The FO is prob thinking the same thing.

And yet the stench of RGIII still hangs heavy in this organization.

 

Take McCarthy and be done with it. Safer pick.

 

the stench of RG3 is not nearly as putrid as the stench of Wentz and Howell 

RG3 didn’t know how to throw and didn’t know how to protect himself but he was still better than a lot of prospects that have come by since his time.

if we’re able to get an RG3 who can actually read defenses and stay on his feet, then it’s a different ball game.

Also RG3 cost the team multiple first rounders.  That was part of why the deal for him sucked.  

1 hour ago, mistertim said:

 

Not if the only person they have to throw to him is Danny Pennies.

I’d be more worried about them with Jayden Daniels as their QB than with Nabers as their WR.