Ghost of

8 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

True. We weren’t able to ruin Lavar nearly as quickly as we ruined Chase.

How do you ruin a superior DE taken at #2 and called can't miss? Maybe attitude? But even then, a guy at #2 who really wants to be great will find a way and leave this team to go to another one and make 100 million bucks.  No way this is on WFT. 

2 hours ago, NickyJ said:

Gus, and I'm shocked that it's close. He destroyed his career celebrating a TD. There's ironic stuff, like the Lambeau Lump and the Haskins selfie, but those are short-term mistakes.

Didn't he play until 2008 with multiple teams, I'm not sure I'd say "career" was ended by it.

15 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Kyle Shanahan update.

 

33W-40L

like father like son

On 10/24/2021 at 11:08 AM, Voice_of_Reason said:

You forgot Ramsey, who also had a big arm.

 

Ramsey is the one which I really always wonder about.  He was victim of being coached by Sourrier, who didn’t want him (he wanted his ex-gators) and suffered from post traumatic spurrier induced get your QB killed syndrome.  And then Gibbs came in and wanted a veteran.  I have no idea what would have happened if Ramsey had been drafted by a competent coaching staff who was committed to him and developed him.  

"this kid is incredible" gushed an announcer after he was zinging it around the field and leading a comeback.  Ramsey seemed to have a partial magic touch and should have been the starter in the playoffs in 2005 when Brunell was obviously hurt (in the game where Ramsey came in and led the team to a win, and then he won against SF the next game) or at least by the Seattle game.  Brunell was throwing around beach balls by then and Gibbs blew what small chance we had of advancing on a bum-knee QB who simply wasn't the same after he got hurt vs the Giants.

The average draft fan obsessively poring over film gushing about what a "beast" a prospect is and stats vs. the Chad highlight enjoyer who just says "I just don't see it."

15 hours ago, Redskins Reparations said:

Archuleta played so bad I automatically assumed it was a Snyder signing. Might as well put Deion on the list…someone who probably should have tried using the horse collar.

 

I remember Roy Williams destroying Rod Gardner at the end of a Monday Night game that should have been a penalty but was never called. This was during the stretch when they beat us something like 12 straight? 
 

In hindsight we should have tried to sign Brian Dawkins when he left Philly for Denver. Remember when he suplexed James Thrash?

I do remember that suplex.  I think Archuleta was one of those workout warriors, maybe even some hidden PED use but even for Rams he was an in the box safety and I just think that type of safety was not long for the game even back then.  I bet there are still some but the system probably covers for them a bit more.  That and Arch may have had his run and collected his bonus and was "out."

Deion single-handedly won us the Saint Louis game and it wasn't like he got burned every game so I don't know I can consider him on Mt. Rushmore.

2 hours ago, Redskins Reparations said:

1) Haynesworth

2) Archuleta

3) Collins

4) George

My understanding was that Archuleta was on Gregg Williams.

hey, remember Roy Williams, the Dallas safety whose career took a hit when he couldn't horsecollar anyone anymore?  Just thinking about safeties who can't cover a lick.

On 10/8/2021 at 10:21 AM, Koolblue13 said:

Someone mentioned Reggie White not long ago and it sent me down an ex defensive great video wormhole and Guys like Kevin Greene, Dent, Butkis, Deon, etc. There is just so many guys who have been just insanely great. Time will tell where AD falls in the conversation, but all time? Do you think he's better than Sapp and Randle at DT? 

That was me

5 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

After today, this is how I feel now, real talk

 

 

Now there seems no reason why I should carry on
In this league that once was my league
I can't find a home
It's lonely and it's quiet
And the away team fans are cheering
Think it's time I took the Metro
And ceased my senseless sneering

For soon I'll find the yellow moon
Along with my great heroes
Where the legends dance over RFK field
Without a scoreboard of zeroes

And the red sun sinks, at last
sets on burgundy and gold
And peace to this young Redskin fan
Comes without a glimmer of..hooooope.

China still holding onto sparty hope that "this time, surely something will stop the GOAT NFL player from being from Michigan! I believe there's a regulation against this."

Pack didn't you used to be a teenager on our boards?  How old are now, son?

8 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

You are framing it in terms of rational investment of time. The real comparison is a life long heroin addict. They aren’t getting clean. The addiction might kill them eventually but it’s a permanent dependency for nearly all. Especially the ones who still frequent a message board of the team.
 

Best you can hope for is such an egregious dramatic event created by the team that it kills you quickly because of the years of drinking and stress eating that the team caused you to do and it finally puts you out of your misery. That’s the best case scenario. All the others are incrementally worse. 

For me it's more the relationship to the board.  The team just gives us something to talk about. Like a family member who has always been a disappointment. 

My son is the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. Everything is good and I feel...freer by not being so invested.  I'm anxious about my family and our well-being, who has time to get wrapped up in outcomes you can't control? Hell, I have more fun playing computer games these days.  Sports is still fun, but it's best not to treat it like the fate of your people is at stake.  I had it wrong all those years (though I also wouldn't trade away my childhood love of sports.) 

People may think of sports (as in playing) as a young man's game, but so is being a fan.

Nope, feelin' fine.  One day you'll be here too.  

1 hour ago, Boss_Hogg said:

Bruce Allen used his work computer to send pornos to Jon Gruden. And the NY Times claims there are over 650K emails to review. C'mon, there has to be something damning about the Danny in there right?

We used to have a thread of attractive women (though clothed, mostly) in the Tailgate.  Before the Dark Times...

1 hour ago, SkipJackSkin said:

 

"this guy walks through the raindrops"

On 10/10/2021 at 6:11 PM, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said:

It’s been a long time since I’ve made a thread here. I mean I probably was in college. I’m 28 now. Been coming to this site since I was 16. I love it. I love you guys. I love this franchise. I tried to quit but I can’t. 
 

I think we’ve all noticed that things are different (not on the field of course) within the fanbase. There’s not nearly as many people posting here as there were in 2009. I’m sure if you live locally you’ve noticed that the team has zero buzz. The best example I can give is back in 2019 when Haskins was drafted. A new young QB from Ohio State? City must be abuzz right? I don’t think he was ever in the top 5 most popular athletes in the city. That’s just unheard of in the NFL and in a historic franchise. Clearly , 30 years of suck has broken the fanbase. So this stuff isn’t new. 
 

Fast forward today and it’s just jarring. My uncles and grandfather have all given up their tickets and it wasn’t due to finances. The experience is just so pathetic now. 
 

 

I’ll leave with this tweet from Steve Czaban. It truly feels like the end times and I’m not sure how hyperbolic that really is. 
 

That tweet really gets at it. For me, I had stopped watching every sport years ago, I just find that my objections about what sports does, how it distracts, who plays it, coaches it---these aren't really individuals I would want my son to emulate other than physical courage (now that I have one.) The crass commercialism, dilution of the experience, Thursday night games, the politicization of my favorite sport, the constant need that even I would feel to be an apologist for this or that retrograde moron because they were paid millions of dollars to put on my particular corporate product's jersey (or hat like Gruden), and ironically, watching this team under Gruden was the last straw. I have never felt my interest in the team to be so futile, I really think years from now we will see how Gruden was the last coach of the Redskins and a franchise-killer. 

I simply had better things to do. Now that I have a family, my weekends are spent doing chores or going on walks or talking to family. It's fun to watch some highlights or hear a score but that's about it. I have tried to re-engage and I can sort of do it every so often but now I finally relate to those oldheads years ago, the ones who used to talk about not watching Sundays anymore (and this is back when we had some reason to feel our delusions made sense about a redemption of the Washington football brand.)  Now, true, I'm not the best example because I feel this way about all sports, not just professional but college too. But it all started with the first few weeks I slept through Washington games and didn't care that much that I missed them. This is about more than Snyder or even losing. Something special has been lost. Going with my grandfather who was proud of his season tickets, seeing Chief Zee, hearing the band, feeling the stadium rock, the smell of hot dogs and peanuts, in the air at RFK, the last gasp of American innocence in the 80s and early 90s, the feeling that the football team wasn't merely an organ of a massive corporate trust, an enjoyable Super Bowl experience that catered to actual football fans, a sense of loyalty (even if forced through restrictions on free agency) and continuity, NFL Films on the weekends before games---it's gone.  Maybe one day it'll come back but I don't think I'll be young enough to really enjoy it.

To quote Dillon (Carl Weathers) from Predator: I woke up, why don't you?

Richard Dent had 17.5 sacks in 1984, then 17 in 1985, and had 8 out of 10 double digit sacks and was no slouch against the run...back when having that many sacks meant something from a 4-3 DE position.

So you don't need to be Reggie White. But you could try to match the production of the 203rd pick from the 8th round of the draft.

"he's a HOFer, that's not fair"

Um, you pick guys at #2 to go to the HoF, numbnuts. He's not even some mid-round guy who flashed for a few years. He's not Mann, he's not Kerrigan, he's not even Fred Stokes for those of you who remember Fred.

33 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

No more sexism or racism, just selling drugs now.

It's all in the game, yo.

btw, I am still picturing "head trainer" giving advice. 

"No, here, let me show you" looking like Andy Dick's character in Old School

Urban Meyer is an example of a guy who really is a great college coach and, more importantly, a fantastic "recruiter." His system is perfect for athletic QBs who don't have the pocket skills of a Tom Brady (even at Michigan.)  Pair that with superior talent in most cases and a likely lack of ethical core and you've got a great coach of young men.

On 9/29/2021 at 12:47 PM, Warhead36 said:

I still believe in his talent. Expecting him to be Reggie White who is the GOAT DE is a little crazy. I still think he can be Myles Garrett.

When you draft someone basically as a #1 overall, you do sort of expect White or Dent. I added Dent in for a reason. A HoFer who was excellent but not better than White but someone we'd be happy with. 

I find it funny that I barely watch any football anymore but had suspicions about Young when I watched some tape out of curiosity.  I didn't see what people were telling me about. I trusted that I was wrong and I was just rusty but...

7 hours ago, GOATFrerotte said:

 

Thanks man. Yea, I honestly am not rooting for Chase to fail, so it's just not satisfying to see him actually be bad. I just didn't get the hype, especially after seeing a #2 draft pick d end the year before playing at such a high level he wasn't even putting up good rookie numbers, he was one of the best d ends in all of football. So it was just a let down of expectations. I didn't expect him to be this rough though. He's not even close to the upper tier of pass rushers in the league. 

*meme* Look at what it takes for them (1.25 seasons) to mimic even a fraction of our power (pre-draft)!*/invincible*

Props to you, I was probably not as negative (in my own head, I honestly don't even know if I posted) but I didn't see it. I'd still have rather traded down to get a QB or just draft someone you can halfway believe in.  I didn't see it with this guy.  Not at #2.

9 hours ago, Morneblade said:

 

OROK. 2nd player taken overall. Face of the franchise. Got caught up in himself and his brand. Regressed 2nd year. Never seemed to figure things out mentally, and we now refer to him as "Bob", as he doing color commentary for college games.

 

Not saying that is how its going to end, but it has started very much the same

Bob at least had a major knee injury to blame for a regression and it getting in his head.

I thought it might be interesting to bump this and resurrect specific discussion on Young, since these megathreads seem to suit that purpose.

I was skeptical of the pick but I also don't pretend I am an expert, I still thought getting a QB until you seem to hit is key.  Young is...disappointing this year from what I understand. Any reason to think he turns into Reggie White (or Richard Dent even) in the next year?

On 9/18/2021 at 9:52 AM, Skinsinparadise said:

Just to piggyback off of a point @Jumbomade which is Kyle Shanahan and McVay were ripped in different threads when they were here for being over their heads and not good at their jobs in real time when they were here.  Both considered now by most as maybe two of the top 3 playcallers in the league and are lionized here now that they are gone but weren't appreciated that much when they were here.  Though from what i recall people ended up backing off McVay towards the end of his tenure but not so much Kyle.  And he said Scott Turner seems to have some respect elsewhere.

 

They may have been ripped in threads in a gameday or postgame situation where people are heated or whining about a loss or lack of performance but you can count me as one of those people who thought, if what people said about how brilliant McVay was (and that he was not just smart but a pretty good leader), that he should have been hired after we fired Gruden long before he actually was. I'd have been fine, also, if we hired Shanahan and let his dad move on to retirement.  I disagree that because some people were heated or were wrong that it means the "fanbase" was wrong in some general way when people like me were so disheartened by Gruden that they eventually stopped watching football altogether (well that's not entirely true, but it didn't help.)

1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

You don't think an obvious push off with 20 seconds to go in a 2 point game is a call "against them in the critical moments"?  

it wasn't really that bad.  The defensive player made contact with the offensive player before that.  And if a team gets away with multiple holding calls on key plays that is just as big as 20 seconds to go call because the entire game was changed.  Now, if you are comparing two individual calls, then yes, you have time to make up the bad call earlier. 

Yeah, SkinsGuy, I saw that but I did notice that Cardinals had 4 fumbles lost, yet no Skins are credited with Fumbles Recovered. I have a distinct memory that Milot was in on a forced fumble and/or fumble recovery, as well as over ten tackles and that half-sack.

I was a kid but I'm feeling a bit old that Milot is dead and I'm reflecting on a game from 1983. 

Great game (for the Skins.)

Memory is a fickle thing, but I remember the 1983 home game versus the Cardinals and how the screen (what were those old light bulb displays called again) would light up with whoever made the tackle or recovered the fumble.  As I recall, Milot's name was a constant on that board but since tackles are unofficial stats, I can't find any trace of that box score with tackles or anything else.  Skins won 45-7.