Whiskeypeet

3 hours ago, clskinsfan said:

Thanks to everyone for posting info in the thread for me. My father in-law passed away a couple of days ago. So I have been pretty busy. Love finding a few minutes to take my mind off of life. It is appreciated. 

Condolences to you and the family, take care of yourself!

1 minute ago, slinky said:

Good thing he didn't go to Atlanta to join Penix

He left Washington for UCLA because they couldn't have a Yankoff backing up a Penix.

Falcons won the draft by picking Penix.  I'm right and all should acknowledge the reality.  With that, I will turn my attention to something I actually care about.

2 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Because you didnt add a damn thing that helps your team for 2 or 3 years. Thats why. 

So what.  That isn't what the draft is for.  The draft is about setting the damn team up for the future.  

3 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

I had forgotten that Kirk is 35, but still. He just signed a 4 year, 180 million dollar contract with 100 million guaranteed. If the goal is to win a Super Bowl while you have a QB, you don’t spend a top 10 pick on his backup. I don’t know anybody else that really thinks that drafting Penix was a good idea, but I guess that you do. 

 

It was a good idea because Kirk is 35 and....nevermind.  Why the hell am i fighting this fight?

4 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

Honest question. How is it a good pick when Penix wont even see the field until he is 27 years old? They could have added another weapon for Cousins. Or an edge. I like Penix. But imo that pick was horrid.

Im totally baffled by this question.  If Penix turns out to be a franchise QB at the age of 27, you think its a waste?  It is the defining position for a franchise, how in the world would having a 27 year old franchise defining player be considered a horrid choice?

5 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

It’s still a waste of a valuable rookie QB contract. That’s a huge part of the value of having a rookie QB. Having your QB on a cheap contract. It’s egregiously bad team building. 

Are we really at the point where we decide not to draft good QBs because of the contract?  Would we prefer not to have a good player at the most important position if we can't take advantage of the rookie deal?  I suspect that isn't what anyone would prefer.  

3 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

They said today they are willing to

let him sit 4-5 years.  You don’t waste a Top 10 first round pick like that.

 

Cousins is gauranteed 100 million for 2 years but in 2026 Atlanta needs to move on and start Pennix.  The Raiders though should offer Atlanta picks for Cousins.

He isn't sitting 4-5 years, we both know that.  Kirk won't play 5 more years, and the only reason Penix isn't playing by then will because he isn't any good.  Age won't the issue.

11 minutes ago, Command The 414 said:

You call a top 10 pick who wont see the field till 2027 at the earliest and who currently is 23 years old a good pick?  When you had a glaring need on D…. Agree to disagree on that 1  

All good, IMO the position is what matters most and securing it long term s/b every team's objective.  Think the Falcons did that here.

5 minutes ago, Command The 414 said:

Me too w/Peters… it takes time and nothing is perfect, I think despite what I think were a few reaches for positions of greater need at the time that over all AP did exactly what he set out to do….and despite not agreeing with several picks taken when they were taken, at least he didn’t do a Michael Penix at #8 pick like Atlanta did. That had to be the biggest reach at the time in a draft in a long time 

Doesn't matter to us, but don't agree about Penix.  That was a good pick IMO and they had the QBs rated appropriately.

Had we made the trade with Philadelphia, would have selected Kingsley & Paul with those picks.

Surprised Westover is still available at TE.  Good player for the Huskies, hope we take a look in UDFA.

6 hours ago, PeterMP said:

 

Then you trade back up into the 1st round to get an OT.  They had 2 2nd picks and they have picks next year.  Giving the rookie QB a reasonable chance to develop and not just get beat up if you plan on playing him as a rookie has to be considered.  Especially when your rookie QB is used to playing in games where the rest of his team is at least as good if not better than the other team.  Daniels this year is going to be playing at a talent deficit on the rest of the team that he's not used to and that alone is going to be a huge adjustment from him.

 

And not just OT.  It isn't like our guards are great or our skill positions.  The OL we did take to me seems to be a year away from being a really viable NFL starter because he needs to work on his technique.  He might be able to play tackle in the future, but he's not even a good pro ready guard now IMO.  There were more pro ready guards that would have been more likely to help you this year IMO.  Longer term Coleman might be the better/more valuable player but the upside to me isn't enough to offset the need to protect a rookie QB this year if you are going to play him.

 

McCaffery is an interesting pick, but he's pretty new to being a WR.  Most of his draft profiles talk about work he still needs to do to get better, and you can see it in the tape.  I also think he needs to get stronger which is going to take time.  Between still learning to play WR, needing to get stronger, and adjusting to the NFL, he's going to struggle this year more than some of the other WRs taken around him.  Maybe longer term he's better.  But there isn't enough upside there to offset the loss of giving Daniels a better player this year.

 

You've got 2 offensive player that I think weren't taken with the idea of helping a rookie QB this year, protecting him, and helping develop him, not moving up to get better players to help him this year, and taking defense with the top 2 picks.  I know you want to draft with the longer term in mind, but you also have to be draft with giving the rookie QB adequate tools protection.

 

In totality, the picks make more sense if you plan on punting this year and minimizing Daniels playing time.

I had a rage post yesterday with similar thoughts, draft feels like the FO is treating next year as a punt.  If that is indeed the case, I'm actually fine with it given the rebuild that is clearly necessary.  I do think the later second round picks could have been spent on OTs.  Kingsley, Rosengarten, and Paul went within 10 picks (or so) of both those picks, obviously the NFL felt those guys were worthy in that range.  Have to concede trust to the decision makers in our FO, perhaps they didn't feel that same or believed they were selecting superior prospects.

2 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

Watch KC take Kingsley.

Yep, there he goes.  Disaster for this FO. Not loving this off season at all unless it is a complete pass on trying to be competitive.   FA didn't make sense and passing on value dindn't either, fells like Ron is in charge.  Hate it. 

On 4/6/2024 at 7:43 PM, Whiskeypeet said:

We can disagree here, its good. I think Penix has a higher floor and ceiling.  But don't disagree with the injury risk, can't be dismissed. Notwithstanding, he's been healthy for 2 straight years and might have that behind him.  Nonetheless, the injuries happened so they must be considered. No way i would take him at 2.

Falcons redeemed!?!!?  

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Ya I disagree on Lucas. I don’t think he’s a stud by any means. But serviceable.

 

RT is a revolving door.

Weird take, Wiley is bad so that is certain, what has Lucas done to give you confidence on a season long anchor at LT?  This ins't about the draft, draft is about BPA, its about FA and where they didn't move the cheese. FA was blown just like with Ron, maybe it was out of their hands (i.e., facilities suck, DC sucks, whatever).  Nonetheless a bad situation and there went Paul. 

Edit:  I would take Kingsley.

3 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

But the people getting paid to do the same in Philly do like him that much. So, it's okay to assume that they are wrong?

 

The logic of the the whole "you have no right to an opinion" chorus.

THIS, why not take the obvious BPA.  I swear to god this whole thing feels like Ron is charge starting w/FA. Why couldn't we have given Jonah Williams a $15M contract for 2 years, hell $25M over 2.  I'm in pain.

2 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Yet again… I like the player. Not sure there’s an argument he’s the true BPA, but tight end is a need and he’s a good one

So are you not sure he isn't the BPA?  Or are you he sure he is not the BPA?  

42 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

My old analogy was a sex ed one lol, but I thought better of it. 

Please start over and redo this with the sex ed analogy.  

8 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Penix may have a higher floor (though part of that is having played for 6 years in college) but I think his ceiling is definitely lower too. Then you have the age issue (he's almost 24) as well as the massive injury history and the fact that he was behind the best OL in the nation and fell apart once he was against a team that was able to get consistent pressure on him in the championship game.

 

Trading back while having access to more talented prospects who are younger (especially Maye) and with more upside would be nonsensical. Pass.

We can disagree here, its good. I think Penix has a higher floor and ceiling.  But don't disagree with the injury risk, can't be dismissed. Notwithstanding, he's been healthy for 2 straight years and might have that behind him.  Nonetheless, the injuries happened so they must be considered. No way i would take him at 2.

7 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

So my Red Flag guys are clearly, Daniels, JJ and Nix, and my come aboard guys are Williams, Maye and Penix, but Penix, cleared or not, rarely finished seasons healthy, period, regardless of whether he's healthy now, his CV says his current health is against his trend lines historically, most of the Penix bust risk to me is all about health. If he's healthy, he will almost certainly be the 3rd best QB in the class, with a chance at being the 2nd best. If he's not healthy, he goes straight down the injury related bust basket which comes with an asterisk.

 Great post, and I agree with you about Maye, Prefer him myself.  But you are off base about Penix's injuries.  He is healthy now and has been the last 2 years.  His injuries all occurred while he was at Indiana and he hasn't had an issue since then. To say he has rarely finished a season healthy is just false.

12 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Penix at 11 would be my guess if that scenario played out. Not sure adding #23 and a 1st next year would move the needle much though. 

Well, if thats the limit of the package for trading down, I'd not do it and take Maye.  Really don't want any part of Daniels, although I can see his floor might not be poor.  Again, prefer Penix of the prospects but part of that is definitely the value that would be added from the trade down.  If the value in the trade isn't there, the move is questionable for me.

3 hours ago, FootballZombie said:

 

Even harder to see a trade down happen at pick 2 in a draft w/ 3 blue chip prospects.

Pick #3 is the pressure point to get into the party.

 

I agree that is exceedingly unlikely we move off the spot and I got chances of us getting JJ in the Caleb range.

 

 

I just need the Pats to hold their water and take the 3rd guy so the Giants don't get the oppo to. I'm pretty sure New England will but a Godfather deal is a Godfather deal.

Agreed, the trade down is unlikely.  Personally, I'd love it if it were a move down to get in place for Penix.  I think he will be the best of the bunch. My feeling is that his injury risks are outweighed by the fact he is already a processor and talented pocket passer.  They all have bust risk, his in my opinion is less.  I'd do it because I think he's the best prospect and the team would get the draft haul.  To be clear, I'd expect the trade down compensation to be MASSIVE.  

22 minutes ago, Birdlives said:

Wondering if this is fake news, a few tweets saying Trent Brown quit on the team last year. Did anyone else see or hear anything about this? He’d make a good addition

I suspect the talent wanting Raiders hitting eject on him is all we need to know.  Pretty sure the new FO isn't (and shouldn't be) interested in cats like him.

10 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I think there is a lot of cope going on now. They are going to take Caleb Williams. If they don’t it’s for one or two reasons: 1) His red flags checked out. 2) They liked another QB more.

 

If they like another QB more they better be sure they trade with us and only us and they’re sure who we’re taking. 
 

Too much risk.

The are taking Caleb if they don't trade. And the only reason they trade (obviously) is if Caleb pulls an Elway.  I agree w/you, this talk is silly.....Caleb is going to be a Bear.

18 hours ago, Conn said:

I agree, if they haven’t fixed the historically bad OL in the first 3 days of FA, the plan is doomed 

I know....I know....I'm clearly triggered by o-line issues and perhaps have unrealistic expectations here.  Really don't want to see our rookie get shell shocked, would rather he sits for a year....or at least part of the year until we see what our new coaches and o-line additions have to offer.  There really isn't much juice left in FA market for tackles at this point, so its probably only getting fixed through the draft, trade, or finding a FA diamond that's off the radar.  

5 minutes ago, Die Hard said:

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. 🙂 I also don’t think it’s Smith or bust. It’s still very early… I’m sure there are other viable options. Peters has earned some leash…. so I’m prepared to wait until June mini-camps before I freak out 😂

Well, we see it the same way.  I don't hate the FO's efforts to improve the team, but I'm skeptical the additions will actually mean anything in the long term and very concerned we haven't staged the rook for success.  For what its worth, can't understand why we shouldn't overpay for Smith to protect the rook.  The draft capital is there to maybe get some guys, but why risk it?  Even if we can get the LT/RT latent in the second, let them sit or play them when Smith gets hurt.  Make him an offer he cant refuse, we have the cap.