1 hour ago, FootballZombie said:

JD released a message thru the Players Tribune. Covers a lot about his life and journey.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/jayden-daniels-lsu-football-nfl

 

Touches on his grandparents, his relationship w/ football (Passed down thru family and Dad was a D1 corner), what he went thru at HS and both colleges.

 

 

Not a lot in terms of on the field stuff, just a look into his mindset. He did explain his relationship w/ Herm Edwards in detail tho, and I thought that was interesting. He really valued the human aspect of HE, and I feel like that is something he can get from DQ here as well.

 

"Man, that’s my dog. I’m not even kidding. There’s almost nothing I can say that could ever do justice to that relationship. He looked out for me. I used to sit up in his office, and he used to just talk to me about anything … life lessons about the NFL and stuff like that. He’s somebody who’s coached and played at the highest level, and is also human too. He was real about the stuff he’s been through. Listening to his stories…. I wouldn’t trade those memories for anything. After my grandparents passed, I remember he was the first person who called me. He was like, “I know football is your thing, but really take this time with your family.” He said, “I don’t even want you to come back to school right now. Take care of you.” He knew how important my grandparents were to me. And he told me it was O.K. to be selfish, in a way, to care of my mental health."

 

Also saw what Herm told him when he chose to move on was interesting as well

"“If there’s nothing there, you always got a spot with me.”"

 

 

There are also snippets of how he interacts w/ others and how he views himself

 

"Just getting invited would have been a huge honor no matter what. But I’m not afraid to admit, I wanted the Heisman. One thing that I think gets overlooked sometimes is that dog and that competitive edge in me. People don’t really get to see that side because of who I am as a person. I’m more reserved. I’m calm, I’m quiet. But I’m very competitive. I don’t back down from anything or anybody. So I worked hard for it, and I hoped God would meet my effort with a blessing."

 

 

Bit of insight, but its a decent length read.

This was a great read. Thanks for sharing!

Kliff Kingsbury is in New Orleans. I wonder if they've started official visits already...

45 minutes ago, Llevron said:

Woah hold on….weighing them and getting a physical during visits is NOT allowed. Wtf?? You mean you can’t just LIE about your weight to billion dollar organizations like the NFL? The ****?? 

Thats why I don't get this over the elbow. Do people think NFL teams don't already have all his medicals? Or that they don't do their due diligence on private visits and workouts which Daniels has been confirmed to have with this team?

14 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Why are you ignoring the facts? Jayden’s mom went on record and was quoted as blaming his o-line and receivers at ASU as the reasons he did not perform better. Aiyuk happened to be there at one point as well.  It is a first hand account. We have all the context and quotes. This is a burying your head in the sand situation because you don’t want to hear the facts. 

 

She also went on record and denied purchasing airline tickets for ASU recruits despite the fact it was her email address and credit card used to make the purchases. She claimed it was a hack. If you are hacked, typically the credit card is used elsewhere not on specific recruits in your orbit. The whole excuse was laughable and Jayden was obviously involved .

LOL you don't like Daniels and thats fine but all this over helping recruits with some airline tickets? And blaming a kid just 1 year out of high school like it was some nefarious plot on his part? 

Again, it was clear there were zero issues, none at all, when he was at LSU with his mom or any other relative of his. 

Also he is still close to nearly everyone that was coaching at ASU - Herm Edwards, Antonio Pierce, Marvin Lewis, etc. Aiyuk and Rachaad White are his best friends. 

9 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

QB School breaks down the 2024 QB Class. 

 

He gives his thoughts on:

Maye at 18:00

Daniels at 29:00

Williams at 42:15

McCarthy at 55:00 (he likes McCarthy more than Maye it seems - just warning people now)

 

 

Additional note: If anyone cares he talks about Penix and Nix at 1:10:00

QB School breaks down the 2024 QB Class. 

He gives his thoughts on:

Maye at 18:00

Daniels at 29:00

Williams at 42:15

McCarthy at 55:00 (he likes McCarthy more than Maye it seems - just warning people now)

13 minutes ago, Conn said:

 

I’m not going down a dumb rabbit hole with you on a poor example that you introduced to the thread in the first place. What I said about Mac is correct. The point is that Mac’s rookie year production and subsequent drop-off as a player in the NFL as he didn’t develop is nothing like, and has nothing to do with, an early breakout college player like Maye putting up an elite first starting season in college and then having a relative decrease in production before getting drafted. 
 

You’re using your own made-up comparisons to conflate wildly different things that have nothing to do with each other, extrapolating that bad info into a larger point that is also incorrect…and then wasting people’s time digging down into the details of each incorrect minor point of the incorrect major point. I’m not getting lost in the weeds with you like that, it’s a classic marker of a poor debater or a troll. I’m just simply here to tell you that there are people who don’t interact with you every day in this thread who also think you’re wrong about things sometimes. It’s just not always worth the time for such a poor return on the time investment. 

I'm sorry what would you like me to do with the bolded? People can think I'm wrong, that is totally within their right, just as I can think they are. I don't actually pay that close attention to who interacts with whom on here (nor do I care enough to pay attention that closely to be honest).

As for the rest of it, nobody said early breakouts in college means nothing. Where was that said? In what post? I said the league puts more weight into the most recent season played than anything else and this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Does that mean the first season of play doesn't count at all? Well lets hope not since Daniels also was touted everywhere for his rookie season at ASU. The point is we have seen several prospects fall and rise because of their final season of playing college ball - most recently with Howell and Burrow on the opposite end of the spectrum. 

9 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

Several people have refuted the points you posted and you have just deflected so sarcasm becomes the only worthwhile response.

 

If you want to die on the hill that your point is that Fields was not an elite runner in college you can keep doing that and it's not totally without merit but because he's now a proven elite runner in the nfl it makes using his college stats for comp purposes basically useless. 

 

 

What? The original discussion was about Fields vs Daniels in college. Why is what he has done in the NFL even relevant when they were being discussed as prospects? 

Just now, DogofWar1 said:

IIRC the line on Mac Jones is that he had some major training wheels on for his rookie year and then when they took them off in year 2/3 he couldn't rise to the challenge.

 

That being said, early breakout years and rookie success are, absent deeper information, just correlations.

I mean, thats fair and probably true but we don't need to rewrite history cause Mac Jones sucks now. Everyone was raving about his rookie season, even the much loved PFF folks  - I can link articles upon articles touting how it was "better than Brady's and Rodgers rookie seasons!" 

The NFL did a full mini movie on his rookie season...I am not making up how much hype and praise he got around the league

Just now, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

Nobody is confused. It’s gonna be Maye. 😆

Cool if you believe that. That has nothing to do with either point I posted. 

Just now, Conn said:

You are fundamentally wrong. Elite production at a young age in college is a huge predictor of future success in the NFL. The younger the breakout, the better. Even for players who then have a down year in comparison. 
 

Of course there are cases of players breaking out in their final years. But you have way more Kenny Pickett’s than Joe Burrows. There are exceptions to every rule though (and we tend to be able to name them off the top of our heads for a reason).
 

The same generally goes for players who have great rookie seasons, it portends that they have a higher chance at being great NFL players. Mac Jones did not have a great rookie season, never mind elite. He was fine. He was competent and didn’t hurt the team too much. He was a game manager. It’s a poor comparison for what we’re talking about. You do this a lot.

 1. Nobody ever said Mac Jones had an elite rookie season but lets not pretend league opinion wasn't that he had a very good rookie season.

Mark Daniels: Patriots' Mac Jones is one of the best rookie quarterbacks of all-time

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2022/01/03/new-england-patriots-mac-jones-one-of-the-best-rookie-quarterbacks-in-nfl-history/9074297002/

Mac Jones by the numbers: Patriots rookie quarterback on pace to rewrite record books in Year One

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mac-jones-by-the-numbers-patriots-rookie-quarterback-on-pace-to-rewrite-record-books-in-year-one/

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/07/how-mac-jones-rookie-success-affects-future-qb-draft-evaluations-daily-cover

4 minutes ago, redskinss said:

 

You seem to be involved in two live debates right now.

 

One is that Justin Fields was not an elite runner in college and therefore that is the tape that should be used in a debate to determine whether he's an elite runner or not and how he comps to other running quarterbacks and another that suggests it's all about what have you done for me lately. 

 

You're twisting yourself into a pretzel here.

What? These are two totally seperate subjects. 

1. Justin Fields was not an elite runner in college to me. 

2. The league as a whole cares a lot less about tape from the previous season than they do a prospect's most current tape. 

What is it that people find confusing here? 

I don't understand why people don't see why teams care less about 2022. Mac Jones had a very good rookie year and took the Patriots to the playoffs and nobody cares about that now, just 2 years later. This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" league.

Sam Howell had a great 2020 and was talked about everywhere before his final season as a surefire 1st round pick...then his final year happened and nobody cares about that tape from the year before. It was all about his most recent tape. 

Nobody cared about Burrow's tape besides his final season - there are a ton of examples.

Just now, MartinC said:

You think he magically became an elite runner when he got to the NFL? That some amazing coaching.

Again. We disagree. I'm not calling anyone who never even rushed for 500 yards in a single season in college an elite runner in college. To each their own. 

5 minutes ago, MartinC said:

If you scout them by stats they were. That’s not how you scout. 
 

Fields was and is an elite runner. 

We disagree. I don't think he was an elite runner in college at all. 

13 hours ago, MartinC said:

This bit stands out. It’s just wrong. 
 

Fields is more like Allen as a runner. He's going to help you when you get close to the endzone or need to pick up a first down 

Since I was talking about Fields IN COLLEGE. No. It wasn't. In 2016 Allen had 485 yards rushing and 8 TDs, they were similar rushers in college. 

7 minutes ago, MartinC said:

You have to be kidding me. 
 

He may not have been used as much as runner in College but he’s elite as runner. Elite.

 

There are three QBs who have run for 1k in a season in the NFL. Vick, Jackson and Fields. That’s the list. 

What does that have to do with what I said?

This is what I said: People have completely overrated or just have amnesia when it comes to Fields in college.

People have completely overrated or just have amnesia when it comes to Fields in college. In nearly 2 seasons he ran for over 100 yards in a game only twice. 

Fields in 2019 - 471 yards, 10 TDs (full season)

Fields in 2020 - 383 yards, 5 TDs (in 8 games)

Daniels in 2022 - 818 yards, 11 TDs

Daniels in 2023 - 1,134 yards, 10 TDs

Fields is more like Allen as a runner. He's going to help you when you get close to the endzone or need to pick up a first down but he was never some super speedy proficient runner in terms of yardage nor was he someone whose legs teams had to account for or play differently because of. 

2 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

I know, it's a weirdly perfect summary of their "brand."

 

How come no one wants to make the comparison between Justin Fields and Jayden Daniels?

Why would they? They played in 2 totally different systems in college, they have totally different throwing motions and mechanics. What is there to compare besides they both can run? 

5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Based on what? Daniels game was primarily throwing to the first read and if its not there, take off and run.

It wasn't. There are enough breakdowns now from several analysts and ex-QBs that dispel this. 

Keim isn't saying they think he's a fast processor out of thin air

Also I know its silly season but the only reason that Brian Kelly said Washington is because he was talking to a local reporter from Washington. It doesn't mean anything.