1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Good question.  I guess this is where my limited knowledge really shows.  Just seems like printing money is based on nothing but hopes and dreams.  And those only get you so far.

The American economy has done this for 50 years. At a certain point, you have to accept that this is it.

On top of that, who gon check us, boo? We are worried about debt with China, but would China want us to pay off that debt? And we have a scary military. That is why MMT is gaining popularity.

I am sure others know more about this than me.

22 minutes ago, Califan007 said:

Stimulus Proposal: $2,000 Payment Plus $1,000 Per Month Until 1 Year After Crisis Ends

 

 

😐

 

I feel like the government knows something is about to happen...

This is the Jayapal/Tailb proposal. Pelosi doesn't want it, let alone McConnell.

1 hour ago, spjunkies said:

I give pence credit for owning up to his screw up. 

He had two other chances to own up to it and doubled and tripled down. We need to stop giving credit for people doing below the minimum.

16 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Isn't just printing money a bad thing?  If not, why haven't we done it already to pay down the debt?

It’s not a bad thing, the US does it all the time. This situation should have woken your eyes up to it not being a bad thing. 
 

And why pay down our debt when we can make others dependent on us?

I feel like all of this is nature correcting us.

5 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Successfully made it evil to be rich also apparently. 

wut? lol

Over my dead body.... but we will open things up over your dead body

18 minutes ago, twa said:

 

I can keep you safer if you obey my orders is never gonna go over well if it substantially obstructs freedom or finances... notbhere at least

 

 

What are you responding too?

38 minutes ago, Larry said:

I think a big part of the problem, in this case, is that we've successfully made it evil for the government to try to help people.  In fact, to even try to keep them from dying.  

 

That is the history of America.

30 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

These people are nothing but a bunch of nerds who think walking around with military gear makes them look badass, this is nothing more than an opportunity for them to get some kind of attention. 

No they aren't. America been underestimating these people for a long time. 

1 hour ago, EmirOfShmo said:

Interesting read...

 

PARIS, Texas (AP) — Barely a week ago, rural Lamar County could make a pretty good argument for Texas' reopening on Friday.

Only a handful of the 50,000 residents here, right on the border with Oklahoma, had tested positive for the coronavirus. None had died. The mayor of Paris, Texas — a pit stop for drivers passing through to snap a selfie with the city's miniaturized Eiffel Tower — had drive-thru virus testing in the works, just to give locals peace of mind. Some wore masks but many saw little reason to bother.

Then an outbreak at a nursing home turned up over the weekend.

Now at least 65 people are infected, and everything has changed. A courier drove 11 hours through the night to pick up testing kits and stores are second-guessing reopening as Lamar County becomes a cautionary tale of the fragility of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's plan to get Texas back in business faster than many states. And on the eve of every retailer, restaurant and movie theater being allowed to let customers back in the door, Texas set a single-day record high for fatalities Thursday with 50.

“We don’t know what it’s going to do here,” said Taylor Wright, owner of Aden Ann's, a women's boutique in Paris. Word of the sudden outbreak at Paris Healthcare Center, she said, shelved her plans to reopen over fears of exposing her staff and family.

“We don’t know where it’s all spreading," she said.

The whiplash in Paris from healthy outlier to overnight hot spot illustrates the balancing act states are taking on as they begin relaxing public health restrictions, particularly in places with Republican governors, who broadly support President Donald Trump's determination to get the U.S. economy back up and running.

 

More at the link ---- https://www.yahoo.com/news/then-boom-outbreak-shows-shaky-215051818.html

I drove through that town in December. 

34 minutes ago, dfitzo53 said:

I can't tell if you're being serious.

 

Do you have a source for that? Doesn't sound right to me.

It’s true, from what’s I’ve read. Anything above 70% just burns the outside of a cell:

https://www.marthastewart.com/7796118/isopropyl-alcohol-percent-disinfectant-coronavirus-covid-19

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In terms of disinfecting, higher concentrations of alcohol are less effective at killing bacteria. "Certain bugs, such as bacteria, are better eliminated with the use of a less concentrated isopropanol, because higher concentrations cause an external injury that forms a protective wall and shields these organisms," explains Dr. Grigoriy Mashkevich MD, facial plastic surgeon at Specialty Aesthetic Surgery. "On the other hand, most viruses are sensitive to various alcohol concentrations, including in the 90 percent range. Remember that hand-washing remains the best strategy when it comes to disinfecting surfaces."

Sure, it seems counterintuitive, but in some cases, including in terms of preventing the spread of COVID-19, 99 percent isopropanol is too powerful of an alcohol solution. Simply put, it breaks down the outside of the cell before it can penetrate the germ in question. On the other hand, 70 percent alcohol is the perfect concoction of alcohol and water to cross a cell membrane, thereby attacking the entire cell and killing the bacteria.

However, this rule of thumb is dependent on the virus in question. Viruses with an envelope structure, such as the common cold and coronavirus, can be broken down by alcohol solutions of 60 percent or higher. But there are other viral structures, like the norovirus, which cannot be killed with the use of any concentration of alcohol. That's where hand washing reigns supreme as the most effective method for removing everyform of virus and bacteria.

51 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Seems to be just a bit of a logical disconnect between "President Trump" and "from New York".  

You are 100% right, outside of this small detail:

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A state official, speaking on background because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the terms of the deal, said New York entered into the contract with Oren-Pines at the direct recommendation of the White House coronavirus task force.

 
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It’s unclear how he came to the attention of the White House coronavirus task force, which was established in late January and has featured daily press briefings led by President Trump. The task force also confers regularly on the state of the pandemic, including the availability of ventilators, N95 masks, gowns, and other much-needed medical supplies around the country.

“The guy was recommended to us by the White House coronavirus task force because they were doing business with him as well,” said the New York state official. “I think everyone was genuinely trying to help each other out and get supplies.” The New York official added that he was unaware of whether Oren-Pines got a federal contract; federal databases show no record of any such deals.

none of that is defending Cuomo and New York for getting duped, but the White House recommenced them. I feel

comfortable saying that too.

Buzzfeed: After One Tweet To President Trump, This Man Got $69 Million From New York For Ventilators

3 hours ago, zskins said:

 

But Trump has enabled a lot of the people who were staying low and out of sight though. 

When were they staying low and out of sight? When they bombed Oklahoma City in '94?  Centennial Park in '96? The countless mass shootings were had on a weekly basis the last decade? When were they staying low and out of sight?

There is this weird thing we Americans are doing in giving Trump credit for everything and thinking everything goes back to normal when he is gone. Normalcy wasn't healthy for us at all.

43 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

 

Trump tweeting "Liberate Michigan" sure didn't help matters. 

Of course not, but those militias been around before Trump.

1 hour ago, China said:

 

This makes me angry.  "This is America in the age of Trump."  No, Trump has made us into a banana republic and his followers are acting accordingly.  This is not civil disobedience, it's armed uprising and should be met with force.  Arrest them, take their guns, quarantine them all together and charge them with felony rioting so that they can no longer legally carry guns in the future.

None of this started with Trump.

The Bundy standoff happened before Trump was president, and those clowns were found innocent.

The moment we stop blaming everything on Trump, is when we start having real truth and reconciliation to prevent the next Trump and have a better society.

7 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

While I do agree that it seems that, well, let's be generous and say that our nation's law enforcement appears to treat different races differently, I also believe that blanket declarations of hypothetical fact, of that magnitude, really shouldn't be thrown around based simply on somebody's opinion of an entire profession.  

If they were black they would not have gotten this far. This mealy-mouth language needs to stop.

We haven't had a genuine terror on the line since Mann and Manley. I think Young can become that.

On 4/27/2020 at 6:00 PM, EmirOfShmo said:

I can't believe there was no plan in place for this type of situation. We can't figure out how to take care of our own people, while lesser countries (in wealth & capital) have already implemented their plans.

US Government waste at it's finest...

America is a country that’s for corporations and the wealthy. All the individualism stuff and “less government” is designed to keep up businesses and hurt regular citizens. That’s American capitalism.  If this situation doesn’t wake people up, nothing else will but violence. 

People like this scumbag is who this country is for:

https://www.wonkette.com/meet-monty-the-sad-rich-trump-donor-who-only-got-96-million-in-small-business-loans

Democracy Now: Known U.S. Deaths Top 56,000 as New Study Shows True Number Likely Much Higher

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A new study by a team at the Yale School of Public Health found there were over 15,000 excess deaths in the United States during the month of March and first days of April. The figure is nearly double what officials have been citing as the death toll from the pandemic during that period. 

The answer is yes!

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/838085670/europes-economy-was-hit-hard-too-but-jobs-didn-t-disappear-like-in-the-u-s

1 hour ago, spjunkies said:

 

You seem way too confident about that. New York state is going after him hard.

Once Trump is out of office, I can see a wave of "normalcy" and "American values" talk that will lead to everyone letting Trump skate.

That and he has created a white cult that this nation has never wanted to address but it will be forced to if he is charged. I don't see it.