Bunny Kelly

His drafts overall were underwhelming but there is more to a GM's job than just the draft, we just felt a better run team & I give Scott M credit for that as Jay always felt like a child who couldn't organise anything.

And going back to the original point of Jay having a similar record Ron, my point was that Scott M was prob the best GM out of Bruce, Scott M & Ron (I know low bar)

9 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Yeah, I’m THE biggest hater on the board bar none and I even give Jay a pass on not having a GM.  

Are we choosing to ignore the Scott Mcloughan era when he built most of Jay's team & coincided with Jay's best results

Hard to compare Gruden the coach with Ron the coach, because Gruden had a proper GM for large chunk of his era while Ron had Ron the GM!!

If Howell keeps going at even 80% of his current level then EB gets some looks for HC for doing this with a 5th round QB on top of his KC resume. How important is EB staying around to Sam becoming the QB we need. At this stage for me it feels like the rest of the season is an evaluation of EB more than Sam for next season because Sam has enough credit in the bank to QB1 next season

39 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Randy Mueller, ex-GM, is a big Picikett guy.  When he was lambasting Ron in the Standig podcast, he thought Ron had opportunities to fix the QB spot and find that franchise guy, and Ron skipping Pickett was his example.

 

I am not with @Going Commando that he's a Herbert or Lawrence caliber player.  At least I don't feel that way based on what i saw from him in college.  He didn't have that kind of arm talent.  Just average veolicty for example.  But you never know?

 

But he had some underrated mobility.  He was great from what I call rolling out-boots, throwing on the move.

 

And had a reputation as sort of being the protypical Peyton Manning extroverted-outgoing type of leadership.

 

And I've read his work ethic is epic.  So he certainly comes off as a dude who has a good chance.  I gather Peter Schrager had him at the top of his list for breakout players because of the hype he was hearing around the NFL. Schrager is plugged in.

Thats after timing, we went with Wentz before the draft because at 16 you wouldn't know where the draft would fall, Pickett was/is far from a slam dunk & you wouldnt want to be trading up to get him. Just sitting there & hoping he fells with no plan B isn't much of a plan.

Randy Meuller had Bailey Zappe as his 2nd best QB & didn't have Howell in his top 5 in that draft. 

5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I've felt since JDR got booed at training camp thing at FedEx this August that he was getting fired. 

 

Listening to Ron talk again about putting folks in position to be successful, it feels like only a matter of time.

 

Defense has talent to at least be middle of the pack instead of historically bad.  Historically bad could keep us out the playoffs, so a lot of pressure gonna build to fix that...

Thats the thing that frustrates me, this D isn't without talent, I'm not saying it should be top 10 but also it shouldnt be bottom 5

Wentz will throw many more ugly INTs but having watched, Heincke, Alex, Dwayne & too many others the last few years, you can't argue Wentz is not a legitmate NFL QB, he may not be perfect but he is a NFL starter quality QB & doesnt deserve all the hate

No issue with firing JDR but who takes over, Ron? Im guessing some unemployed coach like Fangio wont take over mid season

It feels like 10/15 years later we finally got Jay Cutler, definite talent but inconsistent, definitely media scapegoat for reasons other than performances on the field.

I suppose the question is would you take a 29 Jay Cutler for this team & at the price we paid for Wentz? Obviously a gamble but given or history of QBs since that failed trade I certainly would

If Jason Wright was missing yesterday, could it be a sign he is on the way out already?

The Snyders went over his head with the retiring of the jersey at such short notice, Wright had to come out & apologize & is now realizing what a mess this place is & wants out?

I think it can be linked to the evolution of Kyle Shanahan as coach, when here he was clearly smart but supposedly a crap human being, his few stops along the way prob helped him  become more relatable as a person & a better coach.

Being right isn't enough, you need to be relate to people to get them to listen; dare I saw it is one of Ron's greatest strength's, he may not get everything right but his people skills appear 10/10. Kyle Smith may make a great GM some day but it would definitely appear something is missing now

Whatever Santos/Mann did, Snyder knew & helped keep it covered up, hence the explosiveness?

3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

See this is why I like asking you guys stuff. You and KDawg are basically saying the same thing. It could work, but the balance of being rivals and trusting is hard to get right, basically. And that you can avoid a whole set of issues by working with people you know, and thats if thats how the business works anyway, then it helps if you use it to your advantage rather then not. 

 

I appreciate the feedback gents. One of the things I like most about ES are these random lessons I get 

The downside of this is group think, if you everyone has the same perspective then you can all be missing the same thing, while you want everyone to be able to work together you do need fresh blood not to get stuck in a rut

I think I remember from an interview a while back Haskins saying Meyer coached him hard in college & that is what he responded well to, people getting in his face etc.

Club Jay was obviously the opposite to this hence he didn't appear to respond to it, if this was true then the tighter ship under coach Callahan could have had as much to with Haskins improvement as KOC?

RR initial comments about liking DH but him needing to step up are very similar to what Callaghan said when he got the reigns, obviously Haskins is further in his development at this stage but I'm guessing those comments are the way make sure he doesn't rest on his recent improvements

And to get back on topic, any info on personality wise we are getting from Turner or Zampese? 

While the first half of the season wasn't good with Haskins I'm going to put that on his HC not wanting him. Haskins showed he was a quick learner late in the season with the way he remedied his mistakes so I'm hopefully in his ability to adapt to a new playbook

2 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

We signed Rivera for 5 years.

Even if we retain O'Connell, there's little probability he'll be HC here.

If he flames out, he'll be out in 2 years, that's obvious.

If he succeeds, he'll be on someone else radar in 2 years and will probably be hired as a HC somewhere else in 2/3 years because we won't be able to prevent him from signing elsewhere, like McVay.

Then you'll reach the situation you had with McVay: firing the HC to replace him with the OC. But you can only do that if Rivera is not successful at HC or he wants to retire for whatever reason. But at 57, I believe he wants to coach for another 10 seasons.

 

If the gameplan was to get O'Connell as the futur HC in a few years, then hiring Rivera was a really bad choice.

Ideally we want Ko'C to be HC somewhere else in two years because that means he had really developed Haskins

With Doctson, Harris & maybe Quinn we have a few players that maybe could be interesting (has to be Doctson's last chance though)

Fascinated to see what we have now that our QB will throw the ball to our WRs, are they still scrubs or were they just waiting for an opportunity

If we were to fire everyone at the end of the season will that hold us back on the search for new HC? In the time it takes to get a new GM will some of the better options for HC be gone?

Last yr the Texans had O'Brien pretty much tied up early on as they had got rid of Kubiak with a few weeks to go